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Rubio was undressing Trump on foreign policy for a minute there.

Seems like this is gonna be easier than I thought.

That's not hard to do. Trump doesn't know squat about much of anything beyond real estate. Of course he was his normal patronizing narcissistic self too, just took it down a few notches.

I think he will start to give ground back to others now in the polls. If he comes down significantly though, his rhetoric will go back up, and at THAT time, we'll be able to see if the conservatards will still vote for him.

Personally I think this will be down to a two person race after Super Tuesday, and I do not think Trump will be one of them. Trump can stay in forever because he has the money, but he won't. He will take his bat and glove and go home if he drops down to 3rd or worse nationwide. Time is money...
 

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Has it taken you and everyone else THIS LONG to figure that out?

Fucking useless Republicans have DONE NOTHING and have REFUSED to do anything. No middle ground on anything. No we agree on "this" or "That". Whack jobs in La La Land ACTUALLY BELIEVE they do not have to negotiate on anything. It's ALL OR NOTHING. Meanwhile the asshole mega rich are busy using and abusing the average American while the get richer and richer.

And dumb fucking conservatards will keep voting for these trickle down douche bags...JOKE.


Maybe not everyone is careful....... Trump for President with Graham



More than half of Republican primary voters currently support either Donald Trump or Ben Carson — two candidates who do not hold, and have never held, elected office. And in perhaps the most candid moment of Wednesday’s undercard debate, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) revealed why.

Congressional Republicans have spent the last five years making promises they knew they never could deliver. By doing so, they directly agitated their conservative base and turned off moderates and independents through resulting actions like feckless government shutdowns that led to no actual policy successes.


“We’re running to be president of the United States, the most important job in the free world; with it comes a certain amount of honesty,” an emotional Graham told fellow candidate Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, who also once served in the U.S. House.


I’m tired of telling people things they want to hear that I know we can’t do. [President Barack Obama] is not going to sign a bill that will defund Obamacare. If I’m president … I wouldn’t put one penny in my budget for Planned Parenthood — not one penny — I’m as offended by these videos as you are. But the one thing I am not going to do going into 2016 is shut the government down and tank our ability to win. What you are saying and what Sen. [Ted] Cruz is saying, I’m really sick of hearing.”


The evidence supports Graham’s assertions.

Interactive: Where the candidates stand on the issues >>>


Since 2010, House Republicans have voted more than 50 times to repeal Obamacare, knowing that such legislation would never pass the Senate and certainly would never be signed into law by President Barack Obama himself.

They attempted to shut down the government in 2011 over Planned Parenthood funding, knowing the Senate would not accept that outcome and that Obama would not sign such a bill into law. That standoff closed the government for a few hours in the middle of the night at the deadline before House Republicans relented. Conservative Republicans are again threatening a shutdown over defunding Planned Parenthood, and lawmakers have two weeks left to find a way to avoid one. The Senate does not have the votes to pass a spending bill without Planned Parenthood money, and Obama would veto that legislation even if it were to make it to his desk.


Republicans — led by Cruz — shuttered the government for 16 days in 2013 because they said they would not approve any spending bills that included any money to support the health care law. That standoff ended with tanked approval ratings for the GOP and also funds for Obamacare because a bill without that money had no chance of becoming law.


Earlier this year, Republicans threatened to shut down the Department of Homeland Security in order to defund the president’s executive actions on immigration, yet they knew — and senior GOP lawmakers conceded — it would be “impossible” to defund those executive orders because the agency within DHS that executed them is completely fee-based and operates independent of government appropriations.


So, yes, Graham is right: Republicans in Washington have consistently made promises they knew, from basic Schoolhouse Rock knowledge of government, they never could keep.


Others have hinted at this dynamic without saying it as clearly as he did Wednesday.


In August, in an interview with the Atlantic, conservative pundit Erick Erickson said, “The Republican Party created Donald Trump, because they made a lot of promises to their base and never kept them.”


He stopped short of saying that Republicans made promises they knew they couldn’t keep, but perhaps that’s just insight Graham has gained from actually being there.
 

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Ted Cruz won this debate hands down and CNN hardly let him speak. He's playing the long game and will benefit once the pretenders start dropping out.

So many of today's problems wouldn't exist if this rock-ribbed conservative was America's chief executive.
 

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Ted Cruz won this debate hands down and CNN hardly let him speak. He's playing the long game and will benefit once the pretenders start dropping out.

So many of today's problems wouldn't exist if this rock-ribbed conservative was in charge.

I thought Cruz worst moment is when camera showed his face.....and then he started talking and it got worse. He was just on Bill O Reily desperately plugging his website. Matter of time before he's out. Dems dream candidate to run against is Cruz. No chance he's getting elected nationally
 
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Ted Cruz won this debate hands down and CNN hardly let him speak. He's playing the long game and will benefit once the pretenders start dropping out.

So many of today's problems wouldn't exist if this rock-ribbed conservative was America's chief executive.

You must have been watching a different debate. Guy has zero chance.
 

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You must have been watching a different debate. Guy has zero chance.

**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE 2ND REPUBLICAN DEBATE '16?


TRUMP 58.8% (172,115 votes)


FIORINA 15.91% (46,565 votes)


CRUZ 5.75% (16,819 votes)


RUBIO 5.18% (15,162 votes)










 

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Guy on CNN right now is talking how stoic Fiorina was tonight. Agree with that, she looked so pissed when she made that quip "The millions of women heard his comments"
 

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**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE 2ND REPUBLICAN DEBATE '16?


TRUMP 58.8% (172,115 votes)


FIORINA 15.91% (46,565 votes)


CRUZ 5.75% (16,819 votes)


RUBIO 5.18% (15,162 votes)











The poll isn't scientific. Trump could've said the Patriots are everything that is good about America and he would still get > 50% on Drudge.
 

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Nothing changed tonight, the race is still Trump's to lose. I'm just not totally convinced he wants the job.

Time will tell...
 

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Definitely don't think it is Trump's race to lose. He might be peaking but it is the 1st inning and I expect him to lose a little luster after this debate.

Then again I thought he was done after the McCain comments, so what the hell do I know?
 

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Imagine a president who says what he means and means what he says:

“…millions of courageous conservatives rising up to say in unison, ‘we demand our liberty."

“…millions of people in faith all across America coming out to the polls and voting our values.”

“…millions of young people standing together saying ‘We will stand for liberty.'”

“…booming economic growth”

“…record number of small businesses”

“…young people coming out of college with four, five, six job offers”

“…innovation thriving on the internet as government regulators and tax collectors are kept at bay.”

“…America finally becoming energy self-sufficient.”

“…a new president signing legislation repealing every word of Obamacare.”

“…health care reform that keeps government out of the way of your and your doctor.”

“…a simple flat tax.”

“…abolishing the IRS.”

“…a president that finally, finally, finally secures the borders.”

“…a legal immigration that welcomes and celebrates those who come to achieve the America dream.”

“…a federal government that stands for the First Amendment rights of every American.”

“…a federal government that works to defend the sanctity of life and to uphold the sacrament of marriage.”

“…a federal government that fights to keep the right to bear arms.”

“…a federal government that protected the privacy rights of every American.”

“…repealing every word of Common Core.”

“…embracing school choice as the civil rights issue of the next generation.”

“…a president who stands unapologetically with the nation of Israel.”

“…a president who says I will honor the Constitution and under no circumstances will Iran be allowed to acquire a nuclear weapon.”

“…a president who says we will stand up and defeat radical Islamic terrorism.”

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Definitely don't think it is Trump's race to lose. He might be peaking but it is the 1st inning and I expect him to lose a little luster after this debate.

Then again I thought he was done after the McCain comments, so what the hell do I know?

You're right about it being the 1st inning. Long, long, long way to go...
 

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Same thing Fox did.....bring up Trump and let the other candidates go at him.

And both did a lousy ass job moderating. It's obvious that everyone from both sides wants him out. No need to rehash Megyn Kelly, and Dana Bash was disgraceful at times tonight. It literally sounded like pro wrestling announcers egging on two beasts to start duking out a battle royal to entertain the fans (where's Guesser when we need him?).

My guess is Donald holds steady (since a lot of voters have already made up their mind that he's their guy). Carly and Cruz rise, maybe even Christie rises a bit (good job by him, btw). The rest may start fading. Rand or Huck will be the first to go.
 

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Ha, drudge poll. Nice.

Trump won the last drudge poll after the 1st debate with something like 42%
All the pundits were saying his 1st debate would start his downfall

Drudge was right the pundits were wrong
Same thing this time, Drudge was right the pundits were wrong
 

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And both did a lousy ass job moderating. It's obvious that everyone from both sides wants him out. No need to rehash Megyn Kelly, and Dana Bash was disgraceful at times tonight. It literally sounded like pro wrestling announcers egging on two beasts to start duking out a battle royal to entertain the fans (where's Guesser when we need him?).

My guess is Donald holds steady (since a lot of voters have already made up their mind that he's their guy). Carly and Cruz rise, maybe even Christie rises a bit (good job by him, btw). The rest may start fading. Rand or Huck will be the first to go.

It is like that, but how else would you want it to be?

I'd rather the candidates have to engage each other on issues where they have a clear disagreement much rather than drone on with no opposition. I like that push and pull aspect to the debates. They get plenty of time to talk uninterrupted during speeches.

10 candidates is a debate on steroids but it is what it is. Not really CNN or FOX fault.
 

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