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Dropped 30 on Atkins in about 3 months. Unbelievably easy. Switch from regular soda to diet, regular beer to lite (I know...gay) and cut out bread and pasta and you are gold. Bacon and eggs for breakfast, 3 burgers for dinner (no buns). I've got zero will power and it was a piece of cake.
 

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Try cutting out all calories in the form of liquids, and stay away from all breads. I think you will be impressed with the results of that alone. GL
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Funk Monkey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bryan305:
In high school, I played football as a lineman...5'4 200lbs. Worked out with the team, blah blah just kept gaining weight.
During the summer, I got bored, so I started running on the treadmill. I'll tell you what...you run 7 miles a day on a treadmill, you can eat whatever you want! I did it because I enjoyed it, not to lose weight, so I ate mostly turkey sandwiches and not too much greasy stuff.

I didn't even weigh myself till sometime in the fall and I had dropped down to 155.

Then came college and now I'm up to 175 and feelin fat again...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. For the most part, if you run 4-5 times per week, you can eat whatever you want.

Too many people complain that they're fat because of genetics. I'll agree that genetics *do* make a difference. People have different metabolisms, body-types, etc. Some people easily gain fat, some people easily gain muscle.

However, if you run 7 miles per day, you'll never become obese. I have yet to meet somebody who is like "Well, I run 7 miles per day, but I still weigh 474 pounds!" When you run that much, it is almost impossible for the body to gain weight, no matter how much you eat.

Nutrition, exercise, sleep, water. Simple as that.

By the way, the midsection is the worst area for guys. Women tend to deposit extra-weight in the thighs/hips/ass. For men, it is the beer-belly, spare tire, etc.

Now the tricky part is burning fat while ALSO building muscle. But we'll save that for another edition of "The Rx Guide to Fitness and Health".
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However, if you run 7 miles per day, you'll never become obese. I have yet to meet somebody who is like "Well, I run 7 miles per day, but I still weigh 474 pounds!"


anyone who weighs over 400 pounds and runs 7 miles would be DEAD
 

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Not surprisingly, Fishhead is spot on correct.

Atkins is likely better than doing nothing, but it is a laughably bad program. Similar to a smoker deciding he will only have cigars.........
 

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Fishhead isn't whistling Dixie either, anyone who knows him can vouch for that. Good luck pinching an inch on this guy....

Now for me I am in the big-eaters club as many of you know. In High School in supreme shape I come in at about 242. I am 6' 5" which helps but in the last 20 years have added 100lbs to my high school weight, yep a sobering 342lbs. The good news is the last month and a half I have been back in the gym 3 days a week and walk 3 miles the other 3 days. On Sunday I cash in the weeks worth of pizza coupons that came in the mail but it's still working so far.

After 6 weeks I have lost 25 lbs, I am a couple of biscuits and gravy over 300 now and heading the right way. Funny thing is the change in energy is just unbelievable. I work around the house or the yards after going to the gym now, before I could barely drag myself back to the house. On the eats no fancy diet here, I have just cut down mostly. Instead of by passing the order window and drving around to pick it up (everyone in town knew what I wanted) I rarely see fastfood drive-ins now. At the beginning of the week I decide my meals and go shop for that stuff, in other words I have a plan on what my eats will be all week. Still probably too much red meat and potatoes but I am slowly making lifestyle changes which I think will stick with me. Skim milk instead of regular, 2 cokes a day instead half a dozen, etc... Mostly though it's the increase in physical activity that is doing the trick. I read somewhere that an obese person said the toughest part of it all was getting out the front door in the morning, once you do that the rest is easy.

For me at 312 I feel like a 180lb'er. Shot some hoops today and dusted off the old tennis racket finally. When I walk the 3 miles I am not even breathing hard now, only problem I had at first was getting shin splints from walking on the concrete. When I get down another 20 pounds I plan to start implementing 1/2 jogging and 1/2 walking the 3 miles. Anyway good thread guys, look for me to weigh in (pun intended) from time to time. When I see you guys next time I hope to be a rail thin 250 or so....

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PAT!! this is good news sir Congrats
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Funk Monkey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bryan305:
In high school, I played football as a lineman...5'4 200lbs. Worked out with the team, blah blah just kept gaining weight.
During the summer, I got bored, so I started running on the treadmill. I'll tell you what...you run 7 miles a day on a treadmill, you can eat whatever you want! I did it because I enjoyed it, not to lose weight, so I ate mostly turkey sandwiches and not too much greasy stuff.

I didn't even weigh myself till sometime in the fall and I had dropped down to 155.

Then came college and now I'm up to 175 and feelin fat again...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. For the most part, if you run 4-5 times per week, you can eat whatever you want.

Too many people complain that they're fat because of genetics. I'll agree that genetics *do* make a difference. People have different metabolisms, body-types, etc. Some people easily gain fat, some people easily gain muscle.

However, if you run 7 miles per day, you'll never become obese. I have yet to meet somebody who is like "Well, I run 7 miles per day, but I still weigh 474 pounds!" When you run that much, it is almost impossible for the body to gain weight, no matter how much you eat.

Nutrition, exercise, sleep, water. Simple as that.

By the way, the midsection is the worst area for guys. Women tend to deposit extra-weight in the thighs/hips/ass. For men, it is the beer-belly, spare tire, etc.

Now the tricky part is burning fat while ALSO building muscle. But we'll save that for another edition of "The Rx Guide to Fitness and Health".
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Bingo. I always laugh when people use the genetics excuse for being big as they push down their 20th taco. I am huge but mostly because I got to be a lazy slob, taking care of that now though.

Thanks Dante, I can't tell you how much better I feel already.
 

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My take on weight control:

It's a very complex and personal struggle that amounts to achieving a high sense of self-worth. Obesity is caused by eating as a form of solace or as an escape from life's deeper problems. The best way to permanently solve the problem IMO is to meditate regularly with the goal of achieving inner peace. The rest takes care of itself.

It's easy to come up with theories on the best foods etc. and then you go to a party and someone offers you Doritos and you can smell that tangy barbecue seasoning... mmmm, Doritos
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. You eaten one, then another and within 10 minutes you're asking for another family size bag. You have to include moments like these in your calculations because you know they are going to happen. You can't just chalk it up to "experimental error". If you have a good level of inner peace you can party it up sometimes and things will automatically take care of themselves since you won't have an appetite the next day. It's really automatic and effortless at that point.

My story is that I was a fat kid who maxed out at 270 lbs. at the age of 17. A lot of people in my family are fat so I'm quite sure I have a genetic disposition for obesity, but I hated myself so much every time I looked in the mirror I just said enough is enough and within 6 months I was down to 190 lbs. It's a lot easier said than done and I don't want to sound like some sort of hero, but the basic trick is to hate fatness, hate fat people, look at your blubber in the mirror, proverbially spit on it, hold your stomach and say to yourself "there's enough in there, I don't need to add to it". At least that is how I did it. Since then I've stayed within the 190-210 range, which at my height of 6'3" and age of 36 is not bad. If you find yourself making excuses for fatness like "it's in my genes so I can't help it" or "I've just got big bones" then I'd sooner bet the Penguins win the Stanley Cup than that you lose any significant amount of weight anytime soon.

My mother and my sister are over 250 lbs each and they have read 20-25 diet books, bought memberships to Weight Watchers clubs, attended seminars, discussed the subject for who knows how many hundreds of hours and all to no avail. They've failed continuously for the last 20 years. The reason is that they are ignoring the root cause -- inner peace and psychological health. I tell them that but their problems run so deep that they do whatever it takes to avoid looking within. There was a time when I tried hard to press both of them but after a while I had to throw in the towel. About them I know two things for sure: 1) They will spend thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on diet programs in the next 10 years and 2) They will remain just as obese as they are today. It's really sad but unfortunately it's true. I wonder how many people out there are like my mother and my sister!?
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Anyway, there were some good points raised in this thread, notably that drinking lots of water and walking regularly are important. Another little rule of thumb is to not eat anything in the last 6 hours before going to bed. Most fat is formed overnight and if you don't have anything with which to form fat, well, you won't.

I don't think cutting out all carbs is a good thing since humans have been consuming carbs ever since we could call ourselves a species, but a 2-week transition period can't hurt I suppose.

Good luck to SS and others in the struggle. I'm there with you every day
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darryl, excellent feedback you bring forward some excellent points...similar to dr Phil (gag me with a spoon)...

You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT when you say that you must make the mental decision to stop the madness. Many do have a greater propensity to be bigger than others, but those are the cards you are dealt...you must play them & move on...


Myself I am lucky, I have a slim build by nature...I eat quite poorly yet I am only about 30 lbs overweight (If that)...I am 6 feet, should be around 175-180 I figure, however I stand at 205 lbs...mostly in the gut...
 

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Well Kodiak, even if it is just the two of us..it will be fun & we can use this forum to encourage each other...

My first day was today & it wasnt bad at all really...It ws my day off so I woke up at 10am & had a coffee (No Suger) but suprisigly not as bad as I had expected without sugar...still did the job & got me up...

1100am... Protein Shake

1.00pm... 2 egg omelette with cheese in middle

5.00pm...vegetable stirfry with chicken & shrimp...(kind of weird without rice but it was fine)

9.00pm..coudnt resist I was a bit hungry...had 6 or so small meatballs & a small handfull of peanuts (after coming back from the gym)

Also had alot of water all day & never felt hungry or deprived.
 

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I am also gonna try to follow these rules as I go.....

NOTEBOOK:
carry around a little notebook with you & write down your weight every morning...also write down everything you eat throughout the day...preferaly before you eat it (might give you a bit of extra time to make sure you want it). This way you are accountable to yourself with your daily weight aswell as tracking of what you eat.

EXERCISE:
this is a bit different for everyone...main thing is commit to something & do it without fail...make sure it is a REASONABLE commitment so that there are no excuses for passing....for example if you have been very inactive it may simply be:

15 minute brisk walk
5 push ups...
5 sit ups...

so easy it would be hard to fail...Myself I am trying to get to the gym at least 3 times a week for 30 minutes or so of Cardio...alsoi have two dogs so am gonna try to commit to walk them a bit more often. The key is something more than you are doing today...

WATER:
Drink lots of water...think of all those calories we easily consume in pops & other drinks...of course it doesnt taste as good but it is a small sacrifice I beleive.

PORTIONS:
portions must remain small so that you dont STRETCH that stomach of yours (& mine
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)....but have 5 to 6 small meals per day...this way you wont go hungry...
Almonds & Pecans make an excellent snack..cottage cheese...low fat mozeralla...

***Remember this tough PHASE 1 is only for two weeks...doesnt seem too tough.....***

[This message was edited by SportSavant on February 17, 2004 at 12:53 AM.]
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RPM:
However, if you run 7 miles per day, you'll never become obese. I have yet to meet somebody who is like "Well, I run 7 miles per day, but I still weigh 474 pounds!"


anyone who weighs over 400 pounds and runs 7 miles would be _DEAD_<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha, true. Have I ever mentioned my idea for reality/game-show TV? Every week, you put 5 fat guys on a treadmill. Every 30 seconds, you increase the speed. Last guy standing wins $50,000.

Few things in life are funnier that watching people fall off a treadmill. I don't know why, but I'm a sucker for good physical comedy.

Anyway, I used 7 miles as an example because bryan305 said he ran 7 miles. My point is that if you begin a walk/jog/run program, you'll eventually reach a point where your body simply can't carry an extreme amount of extra weight. Once you reach a "good" weight, you'll be able to maintain that weight (or close to it) as long as you continue to jog/run.

Some people need to walk for a few weeks/months, and then they can add some jogging. Then you jog 2 miles...then you increase to 3 miles, etc. You'll continue to drop weight, making it easier to jog/run (which makes it easier to drop weight!) Instead of a vicious cycle, it is a beneficial cycle.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WEEKENDALKI:
Try cutting out all calories in the form of liquids, and stay away from all breads. I think you will be impressed with the results of that alone. GL
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Yep, there are lots of little things that can make a BIG difference. As you said, avoid calories from drinks. Stick to diet soda and water.

Avoid "bad" condiments. Mayo, butter, salad dressing, etc. There are lots of no-fat salad dressings that taste good.

If you're gonna get fast-food, get a hamburger instead of a cheeseburger. Get grilled chicken instead of fried chicken. And don't get french fries!

Most snack-foods give you nothing but sugar and simple carbs. Cookies, crackers, chips, etc.
 

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if you're serious about it, cut out the diet soda as well...it'll dehydrate you.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SportSavant:
I am also gonna try to follow these rules as I go.....

NOTEBOOK:
carry around a little notebook with you & write down your weight every morning...also write down everything you eat throughout the day...preferaly before you eat it (might give you a bit of extra time to make sure you want it). This way you are accountable to yourself with your daily weight aswell as tracking of what you eat.

EXERCISE:
this is a bit different for everyone...main thing is commit to something & do it without fail...make sure it is a REASONABLE commitment so that there are no excuses for passing....for example if you have been very inactive it may simply be:

15 minute brisk walk
5 push ups...
5 sit ups...

so easy it would be hard to fail...Myself I am trying to get to the gym at least 3 times a week for 30 minutes or so of Cardio...alsoi have two dogs so am gonna try to commit to walk them a bit more often. The key is something more than you are doing today...

WATER:
Drink lots of water...think of all those calories we easily consume in pops & other drinks...of course it doesnt taste as good but it is a small sacrifice I beleive.

PORTIONS:
portions must remain small so that you dont STRETCH that stomach of yours (& mine
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)....but have 5 to 6 small meals per day...this way you wont go hungry...
Almonds & Pecans make an excellent snack..cottage cheese...low fat mozeralla...

***Remember this tough PHASE 1 is only for two weeks...doesnt seem too tough.....***

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SS, most of this is really good advice, but I STRONGLY disagree about weighing yourself on a daily basis. Your weight can easily fluctuate about 5 pounds depending on how much you ate, when you ate, how much water is in your system, etc. If you have to weigh yourself, don't do it more than once per week.

Once you get to a "good" weight, you really don't need to weigh yourself. You don't need a scale, just use your pants! If your pants are getting tight around the waist, you've probably put on a few pounds. It is a simple trick, but it works!

This is also a good trick if you're lifting weights and trying to gain mass/muscle. If you gain 10 pounds but your waist-line is the same, you know that you've gained 10 "good" pounds. Remember, men tend to deposit fat around their waist-line.

A good example is Karl Malone. I think Karl Malone has a size 34 waist! Obviously, Karl Malone is a freak of nature. But in general, your waist-line shouldn't increase when you add muscle.

As for portion-size, eating 5-6 meals is ideal. Small meals are easier for your body to digest. Also, several small meals will keep your metabolism burning, whereas 2-3 big meals can force your body to start/stop the burning process.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bryan305:
if you're serious about it, cut out the diet soda as well...it'll dehydrate you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, nothing is better than water, but at least diet-soda doesn't have any calories. Plus, drinking water ALL THE TIME can get boring!

Some studies have indicated that the dehydrating effects of soda (and beer!) have been exaggerated. Regardless, I usually drink water after I drink soda in order to balance things out.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iamcrazy!!:
you can always take trim spa>>>><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

With ephedra or without?
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Now that ephedra has been banned, most of the weight-loss pills are nothing but green tea and caffeine. Instead of buying the weight-loss pills for $30/bottle, you can buy caffeine and green tea for $5 or so.
 

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