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SD, you don't have a problem with illegal immigration?

The thing is the MSM doesnt report that we already bring in about 1,300,000 LEGALS per year into this country.Thats what the hardcore libtards dont realise.Thats a lot of football stadiums full of people per year brought in....Thats not including the illegals....More than the rest of the worlds countries do combined....We already go way overboard on immigration as it is flooding our job market,pollution,traffic gridlock & many more reasons.....The ones out there that think im BSing? learn more here....
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But you dont have a problem with that right?

You guys always say that legal immigrants are ok, its the illegals that bug you. Or is that just a smokescreen???
 

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Its all Immigration that bugs me....[/QUOTE

It is all about controlling immigration more than anything else, enforcing the laws already in effect. That is all "us guys" are asking for. All liberals see is potential votes, all conservatives see is potential damage to the ecomony and more fuel for deficit spending. Politics is ruining this country, it started with anti-Bushers and now it is anti-Obamers. How this became a political football is beyond me. What we have is a field with no yard markers and no goal posts. The only thing that works is the scoreboard as it counts the illegals just as fast as our deficit spending counter.
 

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House lawmakers mull path to citizenship for illegal immigrants

By Rachelle Younglai | Reuters – 11 hrs ago







WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A bipartisan group in the U.S. House of Representatives is attempting to craft a bill that would give millions of illegal immigrants a way to become citizens, House aides said on Thursday, mirroring an effort in the Senate.
One of the aides said the House legislation would be tougher in some ways than the plan put forward on Monday by four Democrats and four Republicans in the U.S. Senate.
The Senate proposal, which has not yet been put into legislative form, would require illegal immigrants to undergo background checks and pay back taxes and penalties before obtaining temporary legal status in the United States.
The House aide, who requested anonymity, said the House proposal was "tougher in terms of the application process," but would not go into detail.
The House group includes Republicans Mario Diaz-Balart of Florida, John Carter of Texas and Raul Labrador of Idaho, and Democrats Luis Gutierrez of Illinois and Zoe Lofgren from California. The latter is the top Democrat on a House Judiciary subcommittee overseeing immigration.
Another congressional aide said the House legislation was 90 percent complete and included a similar provision to the Senate plan that would make it harder for employers to knowingly hire illegal immigrants.
"We are in touch with our counterparts in the House," New York Democratic Senator Charles Schumer, one of the "Gang of 8" senators who released the Senate proposal on Monday, told a news conference.
"We believe that they're moving along on a set of principles that will be fairly similar to ours, not completely the same."
Any major changes to the immigration law must win support in the Republican-controlled House, where conservatives have in the past rejected what they consider would be an amnesty for those who entered the country illegally.
The fact that the bipartisan group of House lawmakers is likely to include a "path to citizenship" in its proposal is no guarantee that the idea will overcome expected opposition from conservatives, but it could help because it shows some House Republicans are on board.
However, it was unclear on Thursday whether Labrador, one of the House group's newest members, would sign off on the path to citizenship.
"I don't think there should be a new path to citizenship for the adults," Labrador told Reuters. "I Believe that in the House it will be very difficult to pass any bill that has a pathway to citizenship," he said.
Labrador has proposed a program that would allow illegal immigrants who have jobs to apply for temporary but renewable work visas.
The House group, with a membership that has varied, has been meeting privately for about four years. Lawmakers were ready to unveil their immigration legislation in 2012, but shelved the bill because they knew it would not go anywhere in an election year.
(Reporting By Rachelle Younglai; Editing by David Brunnstrom)









 

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a double whammy!

[h=1]Gay, Latino groups forge immigration alliance[/h]By LISA LEFF | Associated Press – 10 hrs ago








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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — As a gay Mexican immigrant living in the United States illegally, Alex Aldana acutely understands his double-minority status. Not only does he fear deportation, he can't seek citizenship by marrying a partner because the federal government doesn't recognize same-sex marriages.
He and other gay activists are hoping the new immigration debate at the top of Washington's agenda will change that, and they are betting on a newly forged but still fragile alliance between a pair of voting blocs considered critical to President Obama's re-election: Latinos and the gay community.
The gay rights movement is working to make sure bi-national same-sex couples are included inimmigration reform legislation making its way toward Congress, a tricky task for a constituency at the nexus of two hot-button social issues. So far, it has done so with strong backing from its liberal Latino partners.
Groups such as the League of United Latin American Citizens, the National Council de la Raza and theMexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund — all of which endorsed same-sex unions last year — reiterated this week that married gays should be part of a reform plan that provides a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.
Both Obama and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus have included bi-national gay couples in their immigration reform blueprints. The framework that eight leading Democratic and Republican senators unveiled this week did not.
Republicans John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, two of the senators working to hammer out a bipartisan immigration bill, already have rejected the idea that gay immigrants have a place in the coming debate.
"I'm telling you now, if you load this up with social issues and things that are controversial, then it will endanger" the endeavor, said McCain, whose wife and daughter support marriage rights for same-sex couples. He does not.
Aldana, 26, is torn. He encourages Hispanic groups to include gay rights in their struggle, but reminds gay activists that immigration rights go far beyond just fighting for legal residency for foreigners in same-sex marriages.
"The reality is that immigration is not just about married couples. That's a middle-class concern. It's a privilege I support, but it's not something that will benefit all our immigrant communities," Aldana said.
Rep. Mike Honda, a California Democrat and vice-chair of the Congressional LGBT Equality Caucus, plans to reintroduce stand-alone legislation next week in hopes of getting its provisions incorporated in any overarching immigration bill that reaches the Republican-controlled House.
"In the bow of the ship is immigration reform, and the big iceberg out there is reuniting families with bi-national couples," Honda said. "They cannot be excluded from the definition of family. Otherwise, we can't call it comprehensive."
Another factor is the U.S. Supreme Court's consideration in late March of the federal law that currently bars U.S. citizens in same-sex marriages from sponsoring their foreign-born partners for permanent legal residency. If justices uphold the Defense of Marriage Act, gay-friendly lawmakers would have less leverage to press the issue.
Gay rights leaders have focused attention on building strategic coalitions with ethnic and racial minority groups since the passage in 2008 of California's constitutional ban on same-sex marriages. Exit polling showed that about seven of 10 black voters and more than half of Latinos supported Proposition 8 on the same day Obama first won the White House, revealing a gap between gay groups that were seen as white and privileged and minority communities that were viewed as inherently anti-gay.
Ari Gutierrez, chairwoman of the Latino Equality Alliance, a Los Angeles-based group of gay, lesbian and transgender Hispanics, said important inroads have been made since the election. Gay contingents now participate in the immigrant rights marches held every May Day. Last week, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force sponsored the first daylong workshop at its annual organizing conference devoted to working in Latino communities.
"There is work that still needs to be shored up, but I think it's pretty much understood that, if it's legal for one, it should be legal for the other," Gutierrez said.
A survey by the Pew Hispanic Center and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life released in October, just before Latino and gay voters were credited with key roles in Obama's re-election, found support for gay marriage rising quickly among Latinos, with 53 percent favoring allowing gay and lesbian couples to wed. When the same survey was conducted in 2006, 56 percent of Latinos opposed same-sex unions.
Ultimately, though, decisions about whose needs are addressed and whose are left for another day lies with lawmakers and the White House, not the good intentions of advocacy groups, said Frank Gilliam, dean of the Luskin School of Public Affairs at the University of California, Los Angeles.
"If I were a Democratic Senate aide and this (issue) was a discussion in our staff meeting, I would tell our member that this is something you better be prepared to give up," Gilliam said. "We are talking politics. We are not talking about what the right thing to do is."




 

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Fox News possibly fair and balanced for a change???

[h=1]Murdoch and Immigration Reform[/h]By DEVIN DWYER | ABC OTUS News – Fri, Feb 1, 2013








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In the brewing battle over a path to citizenship for the nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants,Fox News Channel is uniquely positioned to play a make-or-break role. The question is, will it?
Advocates on both sides of a proposed U.S. immigration overhaul are closely eyeing the nation's most-watched cable news network -- and megaphone -- for politically-conservative causes as it joins a rapidly escalating national debate.
Will the network and its high-profile opinionators fan the flames of opposition to a comprehensive reform plan, or will it assume a more neutral role in a debate that does not break cleanly along party lines?
Rupert Murdoch, chairman and CEO at News Corp., Fox's parent company, is the wild card factor in which way Fox News will go.
Murdoch, Australian born and a naturalized U.S. citizen, has become an outspoken advocate forimmigration reform and mass legalization of the country's undocumented immigrants, partnering with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg in this cause.
Whether Murdoch's personal views will percolate through his network, or at least temper criticism on the airwaves of those who don't share it, remains to be seen.
"It depends on how prepared he is to muzzle people on Fox," said Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform and frequent Fox News guest, who opposes the widespread legalization proposed by President Obama and a bipartisan group of U.S. senators this week.
"Rupert Murdoch, first and foremost, is a businessman," he said. "I'm not sure given all his other troubles he can afford to alienate his own audience."
Mehlman and other Republican critics of what they call an "amnesty" plan believe Fox News could be a crucial ally in the battle for public opinion on immigration.
They credit Fox News with helping to amplify their message and derail a similar legislative push that was backed mostly by Democrats and President George W. Bush in 2006 and 2007.
"That's what stopped the 2007 amnesty because all of a sudden all these members of Congress ... were getting called by their constituents saying what are you doing?" said Rosemary Jenks, the chief lobbyist with Numbers USA, which favors more stringent immigration controls.
But 2013 is shaping up to be a different game, immigrant advocates say, with Fox News possibly emerging as a potential boon.
"[Fox host] Sean Hannity is in favor, did an 180 degree turn. You're looking at [Fox host] Bill O'Reilly, who endorsed [Sen.] Marco Rubio's principles overwhelmingly. Even [Fox commentator] Charles Krauthammer has posted and said something needs to be done," said Brad Bailey, a self-described conservative Republican and businessman who chairs the Texas Immigration Solution.
"We need to see more Marco Rubios out there, we need people to come out and rally around them because the solution to this problem is what we need verses the rhetoric," Bailey said, suggesting the network could be a valuable forum to court moderates.
Bloomberg says much depends on the message Murdoch sends to Fox executives about how to handle the immigration story.
"The real thing is if he could get Fox to, you know, be the big champion, which sometimes they do," the mayor told Politico in an interview last week. But, he added, "sometimes they don't."
During a 2010 hearing on Capitol Hill, both men sat side-by-side as Murdoch told lawmakers it is "nonsense" not to provide a "full path to legalization" for the millions living and working in the shadows.
"Requiring unauthorized immigrants to register, undergo a security check, pay taxes, and learn English would bring these immigrants out of a shadow economy and into our tax base," he said at the time. He has since been pushing the message on Twitter.
"Must have sweeping, generous immigration reform, make existing law-abiding Hispanics welcome," Murdoch tweeted in November. "Most are hard-working family people."
[h=3]Fox News' Influence Questioned[/h]While Fox News primetime viewership has been on the decline in recent months, it remains a highly-profitable network with the largest news audience on cable. Its median prime-time viewership was 1.9 million in 2011, according to the Pew Research Center, well ahead of MSNBC (773,000) and CNN (654,000).
Still, many advocates caution against overstating the influence of Fox, insisting the network will not play a decisive role in the immigration debate one way or the other.
"Talking heads are talking heads. Whatever they say is fine," said Jenks of Numbers USA, which opposes the Obama and Senate plans. "If we had relied on any of the mainstream media in 2007, that bill would have passed. We don't have any intention of relying on them this time."
Ali Noorani, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, says the diversity and bipartisanship of advocates for a reform plan -- including pathway to citizenship -- will override any single, particular influence.
"I think that Fox having the role as a conservative media outlet now, frankly, has in its Rolodex a range of conservative speakers to this issue, whether it's Sen. Marco Rubio; Leith Anderson, president of the National Association of Evangelicals; Richard Land, the head of Southern Baptist Convention -- these are conservative leaders who can speak to conservatives who want to see this country move forward with a broad immigration reform," Noorani said.
Murdoch has tried to downplay his network's influence on political debate over immigration, too.
"We are home to all views on Fox," he told the congressional panel in 2010. "We don't censor that or take any particular line at all. We are not anti-immigrant on Fox News."
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"Immigration Reform" is just a fancy play on words for one word "Amnesty" which rewards people for breaking our Immigration Laws already on the books if Amnesty is given it will only encourage more of the same so lets get real & call Immigration reform what it really means which is Amnesty
 

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Jorge Ramos: Republicans 'Finally Getting It' on Immigration

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Jorge Ramos, Univision anchor and host of the public affairs program, "Al Punto," said "I think Republicans are finally getting it," regarding the power of the Hispanic vote. Ramos joined ABC News in a web exclusive before his appearance on the "This Week" roundtable on Sunday.
With immigration at the forefront of the national conversation this week, Ramos discussed how supporting immigration reform can help Republicans, as well as his career influences, violence inMexico, his upbringing, and his own journey to American citizenship.
"After the election, when they realized their candidate didn't get 30 percent of the Hispanic vote, they understand that really they can't make it without the Hispanic vote. Actually, no one can make it to the White House without the Hispanic vote. And - unless Republicans support immigration reform, it's going to be impossible for them to get a high percentage of the Latino vote. So I think Latinos will recognize if they support immigration reform, but if many of them continue rejecting the idea that immigration reform is needed, it's going to be very difficult for them to get the Hispanic vote and they're going to lose the next election, and the next, and the next."
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How did your upbringing influence where you are today?
"I was born in Mexico City. I am the first of four brothers and my sister Lourdes. And back then inMexico, when I grew up it was very difficult to practice journalism because there was a lot of censorship - government censorship. So when I decided to become a journalist, I wanted to be a free journalist. I didn't want to be censored. And that's exactly the reason why I came here to the United States. Makes a lot of sense to be in this country and say the things the way I see them. Otherwise, I would have stayed in Mexico."
Was the process of becoming an American citizen difficult for you?
"It was. A long process…I came as a student. And I thought it was gonna be only one year. And after one year I got a job at the Univision television station in Los Angeles. After that I became an anchor and one year has become almost 30 years. Of course, I became a US citizen and I'm very proud of that. But it was a long, long process. And I can just imagine what happens with those who are undocumented who come here and their path is much more difficult than what it was for me. My only desire is that this country treats new immigrants the same way and with the same generosity that it treated me."
Will Mexico ever be safe?
"Well, right now it's very difficult. We have to remember in the last 6 years with President Felipe Calderón, more than 65,000 people died. And as long as we have a drug war, in which the United States is consuming so many drugs, and you have all these drugs coming from Central and South America to the United States through Mexico, it's going to be incredibly difficult for Mexico to be safe…This is also a problem for the United States. The United States has to cooperate with Mexico in that sense. But I don't think it's going to happen very soon, because we have millions of people who are still consuming drugs in this country. And there's a lot of corruption in Mexico. Drug lords are incredibly powerful in Mexico. So it is not a problem that is going to be resolved any time soon."
What American TV anchors did you admire when you were considering a career in broadcasting?
"Peter Jennings was the perfect anchor. Always in control. He knew what he was talking about. Well-traveled…he could talk the same about the United States and Mexico or about Iraq and Iran. Ted Koppel was fantastic. Ted Koppel…he knew…that he had to ask the tough questions. And I always like that kind of journalism, where you don't allow anyone just to come here and say whatever he wants. He was tough, to the point, never wavered. I like both of them very much."
Have you ever considered working for a large English-language news organization where your perspectives on Mexico and Latin Americans could reach a wider audience?
"I love what I'm doing right now, but as you know, there's a joint venture with ABC News. So obviously we're coupling much more with ABC, so I'm getting the best of both worlds."
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[h=1]Reid predicts Congress will pass immigration legislation[/h]Reuters – 6 hrs ago







WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top Senate Democrat on Sunday predicted that Congress will pass and send to President Barack Obama legislation overhauling the U.S. immigration system, saying "things are looking really good."
Obama last week expressed hope Congress can get a deal done on immigration, possibly in the first half of the year.
The president is proposing to give the roughly 11 million U.S. illegal immigrants - most of whom are Hispanics - a pathway to citizenship, a step that many Republicans have long fought.
Obama's fellow Democrats control the Senate, but Republicans control the House of Representatives.
Appearing on the ABC program "This Week," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was asked whetherimmigration legislation can win House passage.
"Well, it's certainly going to pass the Senate. And it would be a bad day for our country and a bad day for the Republican Party if they continue standing in the way of this. So the answer is yes," Reid said.
Obama choose Reid's home state of Nevada, with a sizable Hispanic population, as the site for a major speech last Tuesday pushing Congress to pass an immigration bill.
Hispanic voters were crucial in helping Obama beat Republican nominee Mitt Romney - who advocated "self-deportation" of illegal immigrants - in Nevada in November.
"It has to get done," Reid said of immigration legislation.
"It's really easy to write principles. To write legislation is much harder. And once we write the legislation, then you have to get it passed. But I think things are looking really good," Reid added.
After years on the back burner, immigration reform has suddenly looked possible as Republicans, chastened by the fact that more than 70 percent of Hispanic voters backed Obama in the November election, appear more willing to accept an overhaul.
Obama has pushed for a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants already in the United States that is faster than one proposed by a bipartisan group of eight influential senators.
Rather than emphasize border security first, Obama would let illegal immigrants get on a path to citizenship if they undergo national security and criminal background checks, pay penalties, learn English and get in line behind those foreigners seeking to immigrate legally.
The bipartisan Senate plan envisions taking steps to toughen security along the U.S.-Mexican border before setting in motion the steps illegal immigrants must take to gain legal status.
"Every time I've talked about this, I say there are a few things we need," Reid said. "Number one is border security, southern and northern border security. We have to do that. We have to have a pathway to legalization. We have to make sure that the employer sanctions work."
On another matter, Reid expressed "utmost confidence" in New Jersey Democratic Senator Bob Menendez, incoming chairman of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee who last week denied allegations that he had engaged in sex with prostitutes during free trips to the Dominican Republic provided by a political donor.
"Oh, I have confidence he did nothing wrong, but that's what investigations are all about," Reid said.
Menendez is one of the members of the bipartisan Senate group working on immigration.
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[/h][h=5]Tide Starting to Shift on (Immigration Reform?) AMNESTY

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[/h] Tide Starting to Shift on Immigration Reform? | NumbersUSA - For Lower Immigration Levels
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After a four-day gushing of praise from the mainstream media over the Gang of Eight's immigration proposal, the reality of whether a bill could actually pass is finally starting to sink in. On Sunday, the New York Times published an op-ed from Bloomberg's Albert Hunt - A Rocky Road to Reforming Immi...

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FOR THE WEEK OF FEBRUARY 4, 2013




President Obama Unveils Amnesty Plan
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In a campaign-like event Tuesday, President Obama announced his amnesty proposal at a Las Vegas high school. During his speech, the President urged Congress to quickly enact “comprehensive� immigration reform which includes a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens "from the outset."
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Sen. Schumer: Border Security Will Not be Obstacle to Amnesty
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In a press conference last Thursday, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), told reporters, "We want the border to be secure…but we’re not using border security as an excuse or block to the path of citizenship," he said, or "as a barrier to prevent the 11 million [illegal aliens] from eventually gaining a path to citizenship."
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Senator Sessions Demands Resignation of ICE Director John Morton
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Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) called for the resignation of U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) Director John Morton during a speech on the Senate floor last week.
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Virginia Senate Kills In-State Tuition Bill for Illegal Aliens
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Last Thursday, the Virginia Senate Education and Health Committee defeated Senate Bill ("SB") 1090, a bill that would have granted in-state tuition rates at all state colleges and universities to illegal aliens.
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Upcoming Congressional Hearings:
February 5, 2013 at 10:15 a.m.
House Judiciary Committee will hold a full Committee hearing on “America’s Immigration System: Opportunities for Legal Immigration and Enforcement of Laws against Illegal Immigration"
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[h=5]Although not openly advertised—by either Republicans or Democrats—it is common knowledge in law enforcement circles that a high percentage of these narcotics are transported over the U.S. border on the backs of Mexican citizens who act as couriers for Mexican Drug cartels. So much for the lie our politicians and liberal media are promoting praising illegal aliens coming to America as law abiding and respectful immigrants seeking freedom, liberty and a better life. The truth—that both U.S. and Mexican politicians don’t want Americans to know—is that most people coming to our nation through the southern border come with the specific intention of committing serious crimes and many have no intention of stopping until they are caught.
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Immigration Reform is Not About Semantics
It seems everyone has some advice for beleaguered Republicans these days, especially when it comes to Hispanic voters and the issue of immigration.
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