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Bengals didn't play!! Only if....... but....... I could not get too involved without the Bengals playing. I saw a few plays that were not or were called last night that were or were not called 2 weeks ago. One that stood out was Hunt getting bumped out of bounds that was called in KC when it was Mahomes who was bumped?!?
Bengals weren’t better than the Chiefs that day, even though I agree Bengals probably a tad better than Chiefs overall
 

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I bet the Chiefs in-game so I don't really care but that is crazy for the entire season to be decided on the 1st defensive holding call of the game and it being such a minor offense, you're talking a teams win probability going from 35-40% to stone 0 in 3 seconds, just makes it jarring to watch. Coupled with the fact this is how the Chiefs got to the SB, just a pretty lame way to end the season. But that is football, it is an imperfect game.

Luckily these endings aren't much to fret about unless you're overly invested in the wrong laundry. As far as gambling goes, you win and lose some that way.
 

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I bet the Chiefs in-game so I don't really care but that is crazy for the entire season to be decided on the 1st defensive holding call of the game and it being such a minor offense, you're talking a teams win probability going from 35-40% to stone 0 in 3 seconds, just makes it jarring to watch. Coupled with the fact this is how the Chiefs got to the SB, just a pretty lame way to end the season. But that is football, it is an imperfect game.

Luckily these endings aren't much to fret about unless you're overly invested in the wrong laundry. As far as gambling goes, you win and lose some that way.
I think we can all agree it's lame to watch the conclusion of high stakes games this way.

But I don't understand when people act like you can't make that call just because there are 2 minutes left in the game versus some other ,"non-consequential" time. The ref is going to throw that flag in the vast majority of cases on that play, no matter the score, time, etc.

I've heard people suggest the ball was uncatchable so it shouldn't have counted, but obviously that's not relevant given it was holding and not PI.

Bottom line, the situation shouldn't take precedent over making the right call. Tough call to make, don't like watching the game that, but it was probably the right call.

Win probability in close games is going to be much more impacted by individual plays, calls, anyways at the juncture of the game than in the beginning.
 

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It is a ticky tacky call, if you're gonna call that then you could call a lot of stuff over the previous 58 minutes.

In contact pro sports, basketball/football, there is obviously some subjectivity to "swallow the whistle" late in the biggest games. That call is certainly bucking the trend of that.

If the "by the book" officiating that you are advocating were to truly take place, a lot more big games would be decided like that.
 

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It is a ticky tacky call, if you're gonna call that then you could call a lot of stuff over the previous 58 minutes.
Key word is “could”. I think they missed a couple more obvious ones. But in general it was fine. The replay/fumble/incomplete stuff was more consequential

There just weren’t a lot of plays like that throughout this game. Both offensive lines were pretty disciplined, not a lot of holding. Both defenses seemed to be slipping too much to do hand shit

More important to get the call right at the end of the day — no make up call, “let ‘em play” crap. Reffing is imperfect — I would say these guys did a better job than both crews last week at least
 

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Oh ok, both OL's were disciplined and there wasn't much holding to call during the game? This is true for the secondary as well? Bradberry was the first guy to hold 58 minutes in and thus called for it. That minor infraction was the most holding all game? Damn

Well, that settles it. Fair play to both teams. Great game/season.....Hope everyone comes back next year.
 

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I just rewatched the Crabtree hold at the end of the Ravens/9ers superbowl, that was more egregious than I remember it. Probably because no one cared about those 2 teams.

That doesn't get called and this does? (ditto for the Rams/Saints garbage)

People just want some consistency
 

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I just rewatched the Crabtree hold at the end of the Ravens/9ers superbowl, that was more egregious than I remember it. Probably because no one cared about those 2 teams.

That doesn't get called and this does? (ditto for the Rams/Saints garbage)

People just want some consistency
Yeah the Niners/Ravens one was atrocious . As was Saints/Rams . Both should have been called

But that has nothing to do with this play. I would rather them be inconsistent to make the right call when they have the opportunity to based on the rules then be consistently wrong

Reffing is imperfect
 

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more making shit up

Said they benefitted from calls, not solely penalties . I gave examples of non-calls (like the fumble) that benefitted them

Eagles got breaks, like I said.

Apparently penalty yardage has to be exactly equal for it to be a fair game now….”look at the box score” Christ

Eagles could’ve avoided situation if their overrated defense didn’t suck ass

I also didn’t defend the holding call btw, said it was a tough moment to have a penalty in fact
You keep saying the fumble, IT WAS NOT A CATCH!! Everyone saw it, league reviewed it. You cannot accept reality! Yeah they missed that PI, one call. See the difference I admit it. You can't! They missed the face mask in the fourth quarter right before the punt! Bottomline line is twice as many calls and yardage against the Eagles. You insist the refs favoured them, and that is unequivocally incorrect!!
 

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Oh ok, both OL's were disciplined and there wasn't much holding to call during the game? This is true for the secondary as well? Bradberry was the first guy to hold 58 minutes in and thus called for it. That minor infraction was the most holding all game? Damn

Well, that settles it. Fair play to both teams. Great game/season.....Hope everyone comes back next year.
They missed a couple early in the game. Think I posted it the blatant holding/PI missed against the Chiefs . That was obviously the more clear offense

But again, doesn’t matter. Guy held him and got caught, ref threw the flag. It shouldn’t matter what juncture of the game it is, that was my point

Reffing will always be imperfect. It’s never going to be perfectly consistent
 

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I just rewatched the Crabtree hold at the end of the Ravens/9ers superbowl, that was more egregious than I remember it. Probably because no one cared about those 2 teams.

That doesn't get called and this does? (ditto for the Rams/Saints garbage)

People just want some consistency
Gilmore Cooks was worse, league even admitted it!
 

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It was a tacky call at that point in the game, like I said there is somewhat of an unwritten rule you “let them play” in the most critical moments of the season

Refs got away from that a bit with that call, but I’m not a big refs guy either way. Barely ever post about officiating, it just kinda is what it is
 

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It was a tacky call at that point in the game, like I said there is somewhat of an unwritten rule you “let them play” in the most critical moments of the season

Refs got away from that a bit with that call, but I’m not a big refs guy either way. Barely ever post about officiating, it just kinda is what it is
I think the "unwritten rule" is kind of a gray area though. I think you've seen some refs be afraid to blow the whistle late in the game, while others have no problem doing it.

Refs job is call penalties when they're enforceable, which I believe was the case on that play. Grabbing a guy's jersey twice is enforceable.


Random but are there rules about what color gloves you can wear? Should wear white gloves when playing against a white uni. Maybe he gets away with it then
 

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I had no dog in this fight but what an outrageously shitty way to end the game. Instead of seeing the Eagles get one more crack at it w/ a minute and a half left, the KC Cheifs end the game by running out the clock and taking a knee.

Really a crappy ending to an great game. Talk about ending blue balled.
 

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I had no dog in this fight but what an outrageously shitty way to end the game. Instead of seeing the Eagles get one more crack at it w/ a minute and a half left, the KC Cheifs end the game by running out the clock and taking a knee.

Really a crappy ending to a great game. Talk about ending blue balled.
Yeah I wish he didn’t tug his jersey

Probably enough time for Hurts to be able to avoid being in throw only mode

guy feeling is that shitty Eagles coaching staff woulda fucked it up . Coaching was laughably bad in the second half
 

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I had no dog in this fight but what an outrageously shitty way to end the game. Instead of seeing the Eagles get one more crack at it w/ a minute and a half left, the KC Cheifs end the game by running out the clock and taking a knee.

Really a crappy ending to an great game. Talk about ending blue balled.
At least it’s hoop season now

Time to watch the Dubs rise from the dead again
 

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Yeah I wish he didn’t tug his jersey

Probably enough time for Hurts to be able to avoid being in throw only mode

guy feeling is that shitty Eagles coaching staff woulda fucked it up . Coaching was laughably bad in the second half
Defintely got out coached in the 2H. Eagles redzone defense was atrocious.
 

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