A President For The 21st Century: Marco Rubio

[PatsFan1283]

Would that be such a bad thing?

If you add the current number of Americans without a job (9.75 million) to the number of US citizens not in the labor force (92.02), you come up with 101.77 million working age Americans who do not have work, according to data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics as of 2014 and I’m guessing it hasn’t gotten any better.

That would be 20 million jobs that would be filled with Americans. That would mean 20 million less welfare, food stamp, Medicaid recipients.

If it forced companies to pay a wage that is more than you can get from welfare, then so be it. They along with us are paying for these people anyway, might as well give those people an opportunity to earn it.

Continuing to subsidize a 100 million people will bankrupt the country eventually. No matter how you cut it we need more Peter’s and less Paul’s if the country is to survive.

You need to look no farther than Greece.

We don't subsidize anywhere close to 100 million people without jobs. Their families do. And in the case of retirees with social security, medicare or pension but I'm guessing you don't think we should remove these and make people work until they are 90 in the tomato picking fields or cleaning toilets.

Going forward though, population control is going to be more important than ever or we will have the type of unemployment issue you speak of. We need to secure the border and just have legal immigration. Immigration is important for economic growth but we have to be careful. We need jobs for our natives and automation is going to minimize need for human labor in a lot of fields. It will create some new fields that we haven't even thought of yet, but I don't really know what all of those are and I'm not sure it will be a a neutral exchange.

We need to be bringing scientists and engineers here, not large swaths tomato pickers or fast food workers. So if we don't secure the border we'll have people coming here with little to do and that is a bad recipe. Once and for all we gotta deal with it. One good thing is the Chamber of Commerce is a huge backer of immigration because it gives them cheap labor but cheap labor is becoming less valuable so hopefully that will create less special interests destroying the political will to do something.

That's the long response.

Short answer: Who is then going to install your solar on the cheap?

 

[Dave007inVegas]

We don't subsidize anywhere close to 100 million people without jobs. Their families do. And in the case of retirees with social security, medicare or pension but I'm guessing you don't think we should remove these and make people work until they are 90 in the tomato picking fields or cleaning toilets.

Going forward though, population control is going to be more important than ever or we will have the type of unemployment issue you speak of. We need to secure the border and just have legal immigration. Immigration is important for economic growth but we have to be careful. We need jobs for our natives and automation is going to minimize need for human labor in a lot of fields. It will create some new fields that we haven't even thought of yet, but I don't really know what all of those are and I'm not sure it will be a a neutral exchange.

We need to be bringing scientists and engineers here, not large swaths tomato pickers or fast food workers. So if we don't secure the border we'll have people coming here with little to do and that is a bad recipe. Once and for all we gotta deal with it. One good thing is the Chamber of Commerce is a huge backer of immigration because it gives them cheap labor but cheap labor is becoming less valuable so hopefully that will create less special interests destroying the political will to do something.

That's the long response.

Short answer: Who is then going to install your solar on the cheap?

Probably not but I bet it’s more than 20 million. As for retires they paid for the social programs all their lives. They earned those benefits. And FWIW Medicare isn’t free. Part of the Social Security payment each month goes to funding it.

And in my case my wife and I pay more for Medicare than we paid for health insurance when we worked and that was before Obamacare. Also Medicare isn’t very good. It doesn’t cover much. So either you roll the dice and hope you don’t get sick or you pay for supplemental plans which aren’t cheap.

The one thing we can agree on is we need to stop illegal immigration.

P.S. I don’t pick my own tomatoes but I do clean my own toilet.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Probably not but I bet it’s more than 20 million. As for retires they paid for the social programs all their lives. They earned those benefits. And FWIW Medicare isn’t free. Part of the Social Security payment each month goes to funding it.

And in my case my wife and I pay more for Medicare than we paid for health insurance when we worked and that was before Obamacare. Also Medicare isn’t very good. It doesn’t cover much. So either you roll the dice and hope you don’t get sick or you pay for supplemental plans which aren’t cheap.

The one thing we can agree on is we need to stop illegal immigration.

P.S. I don’t pick my own tomatoes but I do clean my own toilet.

Oh yeah, I'm not saying retirees didn't earn those benefits at all, absolutely they did. Certainly they did and are entitled to them (even if the system has flaws) I just meant a large portion of that 100M is retirees and not "unemployed" As our demographics change and we have more retirees/workers, it'll be an even bigger challenge though. Why we need changes to a lot areas of the system. Ya, I know medicare isn't free, like I said just was making the point these people are in the 100M and not looking for work.

If I were to guess, I'd say true # of people who aren't working that we need to be working is like 15-20M. Then we have a lot of people on entitlements who are working but just can't keepup with cost-of-living and need some supplementation (food stamps)

As far as the 20M illegals, probably only 7-8M of those are workers so while it would help that youth unemployment in the 16-24 range, it isn't as big a deal as retraining the work force and closing the skills gap is. Changing our education, etc...

To pivot, Rubio talks about these changes to the labor force and how we have to confront them in the video. You should check it out, atleast someone should.

 

[ScottL]

Probably not but I bet it’s more than 20 million. As for retires they paid for the social programs all their lives. They earned those benefits. And FWIW Medicare isn’t free. Part of the Social Security payment each month goes to funding it.

And in my case my wife and I pay more for Medicare than we paid for health insurance when we worked and that was before Obamacare. Also Medicare isn’t very good. It doesn’t cover much. So either you roll the dice and hope you don’t get sick or you pay for supplemental plans which aren’t cheap.

The one thing we can agree on is we need to stop illegal immigration.

P.S. I don’t pick my own tomatoes but I do clean my own toilet.

Dave do you and your wife also pay 'Long Term Care' insurance? I pay my Mom's bills online and that's another hit every 2 months. You pretty much need it or a nursing home will wipe you out.

 

[Michelangelo]

Someone has.

I am glad he is unclothing the truth about the changed work landscape. However, I am not clear on how his thoughts re being on the front point of technological change is going to solve them. We need a one man, one job vision. I'd like more clarity as to what that will look like.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Someone has.

I am glad he is unclothing the truth about the changed work landscape. However, I am not clear on how his thoughts re being on the front point of technological change is going to solve them. We need a one man, one job vision. I'd like more clarity as to what that will look like.

I'm not sure I really understand the question?

Job training, changing how we educate are the main ways we're going to solve the problems. The guy isn't the messiah but he seems to understand this better than other politicians. Right now higher ed has a monopoly and it makes the cost to obtain skills very high. Then others aren't being pushed into the wrong fields (as he said in another speech "The value of being a philosopher has been declining for 250 years"

If we weren't on the forefront of technological change, then we risk not capturing the opportunity for everyone to succeed in these fields (more jobs will go overseas, more just won't be created because skills gap in workforce, etc)

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Dave do you and your wife also pay 'Long Term Care' insurance? I pay my Mom's bills online and that's another hit every 2 months. You pretty much need it or a nursing home will wipe you out.

No. Both of us are in pretty good shape for our age. No Meds yet. I suppose when the time comes we’ll look into a supplemental plan of some sort. We’ve pretty much lived on the edge most of our lives and worry isn’t in our vocabulary.

We figure if the shit hit’s the fan we’ll transfer all our assets to our daughter and say fuck it. When we lived in Pa. we used to laugh and say we’d put on some antlers and go sit in the woods, now it’s a long ride into the desert.

One day at a time Zippy, one day at a time.

 

[PatsFan1283]

No. Both of us are in pretty good shape for our age. No Meds yet. I suppose when the time comes we’ll look into a supplemental plan of some sort. We’ve pretty much lived on the edge most of our lives and worry isn’t in our vocabulary.

We figure if the shit hit’s the fan we’ll transfer all our assets to our daughter and say fuck it. When we lived in Pa. we used to laugh and say we’d put on some antlers and go sit in the woods, now it’s a long ride into the desert.

One day at a time Zippy, one day at a time.

From what I know on the subject, the transition can't really just happen like that as smoothly as needed, it is better being planned out far in advance.

The more time inbetween when they (your heir) get the assets and you needing medicare to pay for something like a nursing home, the better.

Not remotely an expert but LTC seems kinda wasteful in that good planning can negate needing it.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Hope y'all having fun with Trump. You will come home eventually and this thread will be waiting....

 

[Acebb]

"friends who were there tell me that Rubio absolutely killed it in Michigan today."

[h=3]Building a New American Economy[/h]

 

[PatsFan1283]

"friends who were there tell me that Rubio absolutely killed it in Michigan today."

Building a New American Economy

Good link. I'll check it out later.

 

[PatsFan1283]

This little rugrat looking like Reche Caldwell Jr. out there. Cmon get Rubio someone who can catch.....

 

[Dafinch]

Rubio is an smarmy opportunist, and his abortion stance alone will prevent him from winning the Presidency. "Oh, I'm sorry m'am, you were raped and/or your life is in danger? Too bad for you!" Fucking moron...

 

[neverbend]

On August 12 the last Michigan Poll Rubio was 4th behind Trump as usual Bush & Carson. In the Aug 18 Arizona primary
in a Hispanic State where Rubio was hoping with those demographics thats where he'd be strong the tally was top 5:
Trump 33, Carson 16, Florino 11, Bush 10, Cruz 8

Honestly in this new political environment a member of the gang of 8 who joined forces with the likes of Dick Durbin,
Bob Menendez, Chuck Shumer, John McCain & Lindsay Gramnesty is hardly in a strong position to gain traction;
my own worries about Rubio concern his almost neo-con pro war stances.

 

[SheriffJoe]

On August 12 the last Michigan Poll Rubio was 4th behind Trump as usual Bush & Carson. In the Aug 18 Arizona primary
in a Hispanic State where Rubio was hoping with those demographics thats where he'd be strong the tally was top 5:
Trump 33, Carson 16, Florino 11, Bush 10, Cruz 8

Honestly in this new political environment a member of the gang of 8 who joined forces with the likes of Dick Durbin,
Bob Menendez, Chuck Shumer, John McCain & Lindsay Gramnesty is hardly in a strong position to gain traction;
my own worries about Rubio concern his almost neo-con pro war stances.

He's another Bush without the tainted last name. The establishment's fallback guy if Jeb falters.

 

[PatsFan1283]

He's another Bush without the tainted last name. The establishment's fallback guy if Jeb falters.

Lol, rebranding if you will. Young, ethnic, great story.

When he starts supporting anarchy I'll let you know so you can join in.

You watch that video yet in post #108 yet Joe? Check it out, beats pointing out inconsistencies in Vitterd's MLB capping.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Lol, rebranding if you will. Young, ethnic, great story.

When he starts supporting anarchy I'll let you know so you can join in.

You watch that video yet in post #108 yet Joe? Check it out, beats pointing out inconsistencies in Vitterd's MLB capping.

PatsFan,

Believe it or not, there was a time when I really liked Rubio and thought he was presidential timber. Rubio was elected with huge tea party support promising to drain the swamp in Washington. Unfortunately, when he got there he made partnership with the alligators instead.

Anchor babies are people, human beings with stories

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-babies-are-people-human-beings-with-stories/

Actually Marco, anchor babies are in the US illegally, just like their parents. Period.

For god's sake, stop with the 'stories' already! Tax cheats are single moms with 'stories' too! And burglars, well, I'm sure many would be a blast to have a beer with.

Hey, you may be right, Marco could very well be the nominee. Unfortunately, he won't bring out the millions of conservatives/libertarians who stayed home in 08 and 12. Not in this era of Boehner-McConnell, and yes, Rubio's Gang of Eight.

 

[PatsFan1283]

PatsFan,

Believe it or not, there was a time when I really liked Rubio and thought he was presidential timber. Rubio was elected with huge tea party support promising to drain the swamp in Washington. Unfortunately, when he got there he made partnership with the alligators instead.

Anchor babies are people, human beings with stories

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-babies-are-people-human-beings-with-stories/

Actually, Marco, anchor babies are in the US illegally, just like their parents. Period.

For god's sake, stop with the 'stories' already! Tax cheats are single moms with 'stories' too! And burglars, well, I'm sure many would be a blast to have a beer with.

Hey, you may be right, Marco could very well be the nominee. Unfortunately, he won't bring out the millions of conservatives/libertarians who stayed home in 08 and 12. Not in this era of Boehner-McConnell, and yes, Marco Rubio and his Gang of Eight.

This has nothing to do with Rubio but I hate to break it to you.....There aren't millions of conservatives/libertarians that stayed home in '08 and '12. Do you realize how many more people a candidate like Mitt Romney appeals to than someone like Ted Cruz? And I'm not someone with the "OMG Ted Cruz is crazy blah blah" stance either. Moderate republicans who just want their taxes and cost of living lower far outnumber someone a little more principled in a wide range of opinions like a Cruz.

Do you think Donald Trump is first in the polls right now because he is "bringing libertarians/conservatives" out? No, he is first because he is speaking to an anger people have with the current system. Half the shit he says is populist, liberal rhetoric and you know it.

Most people who are republican or democrat, if you asked them to articulate why, the answers would be awful and extremely cookie cutter.

Also, I think at this point whoever gets the nom is playing with a Obama in '08 wave of momentum regardless because of the last 8 years. That is why the GOPe (as you refer to it) is so scared of Trump because they know how valuable the nom is this time around. A lot more valuable than it was in '08 and even '12.

 

[SheriffJoe]

This has nothing to do with Rubio but I hate to break it to you.....There aren't millions of conservatives/libertarians that stayed home in '08 and '12. Do you realize how many more people a candidate like Mitt Romney appeals to than someone like Ted Cruz? And I'm not someone with the "OMG Ted Cruz is crazy blah blah" stance either. Moderate republicans who just want their taxes and cost of living lower far outnumber someone a little more principled in a wide range of opinions like a Cruz.

If that were true Romney would be president right now. And before him, President McCain. Whoops.

Here's the truth:

'Moderates' show up and vote no matter who the nominee is. That's why they're called moderates. No principles or policies, just dangle the 'R' and they're there. I mean, if you're still donating to the GOPe with Boehner and McConnell, you're a guaranteed lifer.

But what about the conservative base behind the Reagan and Gingrich revolutions, and voters who as recently as 2010 and 2014 swept the tea party into power?

According to Ted Cruz, 54 million evangelicals stayed home in 2012. FIFTY FOUR MILLION. Let that number sink in...

"There is a war on faith in America today"

"If we cannot worship God, if we cannot live according to our faith .... all other liberties fade away"

"Is the next victim of persecution your pastor?" Your charity, where you volunteer your time at a crisis pregnancy center?"

“The persecution of religious liberty ends today!"

Ted Cruz knows what he's doing...and he's not fishing for McCain/Romney/Bush/Rubio supporters. Doesn't need'em, doesn't care.

 

[PatsFan1283]

If that were true Romney would be president right now. And before him, President McCain. Whoops.

Here's the truth:

'Moderates' show up and vote no matter who the nominee is. That's why they're called moderates. No principles or policies, just dangle the 'R' and they're there. I mean, if you're still donating to the GOPe with Boehner and McConnell, you're a guaranteed lifer.

But what about the conservative base behind the Reagan and Gingrich revolutions, and voters who as recently as 2010 and 2014 swept the tea party into power?

According to Ted Cruz, 54 million evangelicals stayed home in 2012. FIFTY FOUR MILLION. Let that number sink in...

"There is a war on faith in America today"

"If we cannot worship God, if we cannot live according to our faith .... all other liberties fade away"

"Is the next victim of persecution your pastor?" Your charity, where you volunteer your time at a crisis pregnancy center?"

“The persecution of religious liberty ends today!"

Ted Cruz knows what he's doing...and he's not fishing for McCain/Romney/Bush/Rubio supporters. Doesn't need'em, doesn't care.

We're gonna get bogged down in minutia a little here but who is leading in Iowa? Trump. You always hear about GOPe candidates "not playing in Iowa" yet Trump is. Trump said he has never looked to God for forgiveness in his life. Calling him a conservative would be a very liberal use of the word (ha ha) and yet he is on fire right now.

This shows me that it isn't about being a constitutional conservative for many, it is just about being fedup with Washington and seeing someone they consider a straight shooter speaking truth to power.

While a Cruz may be able to bring in many people that a Romney can't, how many business professionals that don't really care about religious liberty or worship and just want their taxes lower is he going to lose? How many of them is his rhetoric too strong for? It's tough to say, every cycle is different. McCain was basically dealt an awful hand because people were sick of wars and the economy collapsed 3 months before the election (even if GW role in this was minimal, incumbent party still gonna get blame) and then Romney I personally thought ran an awful campaign. The # of people he trailed at 1 time or another in the primaries signaled to me there was no real momentum behind his run.

And you know I don't have the same opinion of Cruz that many here do. I gave him tons of props for telling the ethanol lobby in Iowa that the party is over. He is definitely a principled guy and isn't going to compromise what he believes to become POTUS which is more than you can say about anyone else in the field.