5 dimes did the switch on hommie

jateeluv · May 19, 2003

what is an 'active' account? An 'active' account is a loophole in 5dimes conditions to catch bonus hunters.

Jake, I think he was attacked first by being accused of bonus hunting. What if the guy lost all his money accept $10 dollars in one day? and waits to get his bonus and then cashes out and so forth.??

Halifax · May 19, 2003

"In my opinion, the deposits HIS OWN money, then wagers with HIS OWN money, satisfies the wagering requires of 5x and waits to receive the bonus. Maybe he felt like he ran into some great luck and didn't want to risk his profit."

" Instead she attacks him, calling him a bonus hunter."
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First off boys, let's cut the crap: this guy's picture is in the dictionary beside the definition for "bonus whore".

Having said that, this is certainly not the only person in the world to not understand this "Active for 30 Days" clause.

When I made my first withdrawal from 5Dimes, I was aware of the rule but did not know if I qualified. I was placing about 5 sports bets per week - apparently this was "Active" enough for them, as my withdrawal went through without a hitch.

As I understand THIS situation, the bettor in question quickly met his rollover requirements in blackjack, and then sat and waited for the rest of the 30 day period without making another bet. If this was what happened, then this account was clearly NOT ACTIVE for the 30 days, and thus violated the rules.

But what does "Active" mean .. Buzzsaw, they're on the SBR Recommended List - I think you should try and get them to clarify this rule by giving a better definition of Active.

Banned4Life · May 19, 2003

Quoting from the Rules Page:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Bonuses earned after deposits and Sportsbook/Casino transfers are only valid if the amount deposited remains active in the account for 30 days. Winnings may be redeemed as desired. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

STILL waiting for someone to define the word "active". Can placing a single wager a day (after the rollover is satisfied) meet the requirement? Does merely maintaining the account without withdrawing (again after meeting the rollover)? Is there some (unspecified) minimum action per day requirement? Or are bonuses only valid for those who end up losing? The way this rule is worded gives then every opportunity to use it as an excuse to STEAL.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Closing an account after bonus funds are earned from blackjack play which only marginally exceed the required play for earning the bonus will result in an account being placed in the Unified Gaming negative database. Bonus-hunters are not welcome at 5Dimes Casino. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reading that makes me want to tell them to kiss my ass. In other words: If you follow our rules as written but don't lose all your money we'll put you on a shit list and call you a bonus whore and STEAL what we promised to you when you opened your account. That's like if I walked into a supermarket that accepts coupons and if I use too many the cashier calls me a coupon whore and the manager comes over and tells me I can't shop there any more and calls me a coupon whore and puts me in a database of coupon whores and then confiscates my coupons.

IF YOU DON'T WANT BONUS WHORES THEN EITHER DON'T OFFER BONUSES OR RE-WRITE THE RULES TO MAKE BONUS WHORING IMPOSSIBLE.

That settles it. 5Dimes is on my personal shit list.

jateeluv · May 19, 2003

'But what does "Active" mean .. Buzzsaw, they're on the SBR Recommended List - I think you should try and get them to clarify this rule by giving a better definition of Active.'

Yeah definitely. OR they should only apply it(the bonus) to their sportsbook and not there casino. If he did the same winning at the sportsbook would the situation be the same? They shouldn't allow bj to be part of the wagering requirements.

BUT they know they make alot of money off of the blackjack tables so want to lure people into playing their blackjack so I guess they can't do that huh?

UncleButternutts · May 19, 2003

DannyMay

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I hope it is a sign of a troubled book. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty fuking pathetic.. Hoping players get hurt, because you have a problem with a books rules.. Speaks volumes Danny.

HacheMan · May 19, 2003

The whole situation lies on how "active" he was. Did he play to the rollover requirement in the first couple days, and then not play again at all for 20+ days, or did he play every other day. We will probably never know, so may as well drop it......

DavidMatthews · May 19, 2003

5 Dimes is an excellent book. The UG software is suspected of having a cheat switch and I think I have seen it at other UG's but at 5 Dimes my luck was awesome.

I deposited $400 and played blackjack. Their site was slow and I got tired of $10 bets. I bet $50 a hand and went from $400 to over $1,200. I then got my bonus dollars which added another couple hundred on top of that. I then used the money to bet sports. They have a lot of great props and things like that.

While this person may have followed the letter of the law in acquiring the bonus, it was not at all in the spirit of the promotion. It is people doing things like this that will hurt all the players who want bonuses, like me.

A 50% matchplay is a strong bonus. Don't be a greedy jackass. If they ask for 5X, give them 10X. If you have to wait 30 days, place a sports bet every couple days. Sheesh.

David

Halifax · May 19, 2003

Danny May:

As a blanket reponse to your position on this matter:

I agree, the rules at 5Dimes certainly are not overly player-friendly, and no doubt the 30 day rule isn't a crowd favourite. However, they ARE their posted rules, so you should not fault a book by abiding by their own rules. It's when they start doing things contrary to their own rules that they should be penalized...

... and, OBVIOUSLY, the definition of "Active" needs to be nailed down.

UncleButternutts · May 19, 2003

David Matthews

Good post, thanks.

jateeluv · May 19, 2003

bonus people who play blackjack will eat up the 5x wagering requirements. I suggest 5dimes leave out blackjack as a way of satisfying this requirement. THen you will have almost NO bonus hunters.

HacheMan · May 19, 2003

Blackjack isnt included jateeluv, except possibly on initial deposit. If it was, it would be much too easy to reach the rollover.

marc · May 19, 2003

The guy clearly screwed up. HE should have played one hand of BJ a day, and then on the 30th day, sat and played BJ unitl the bonus requiremnet was met. But still, its very frightenening when a book takes a bonus back, becuas ehtye claim that a client was no active for 30 days. Especially when no where on their site do they define what active means. Furthermonre, unlike most sites that give you the bonus upfront, 5dimes requires that you first give them the action, then they credit you with the bonus. OS they got the action that they required. They obviously understand that a person can play many hands of BJ, and lose very little, but they still allow it to fullfill thier wageringrequiremnts. SO for me it makes no sense. GIve the guy his money, ban him from your site, put his name on whatever negative database you have, and move on.

JakeT. · May 19, 2003

Danny, MVPsportsbook, the book you keep mentioning, also has the 30 day active rule.

"Bonus Policy: All bonus money is credited immediately (pagers and/or cell phones shipped immediately), but are yours to keep only after you have wagered your deposit amount, bonus amount, and transfer fee amount two times and actively wagered for a minimum of 30 days from each deposit. Otherwise, bonus amounts, transfer fee amounts, and/or pager and cell phone costs will be deducted from your account prior to any withdrawal being processed."

If they don't enforce it that's their choice, but if they do that is their right.

HacheMan · May 19, 2003

Guys, I do have to defend Danny here with this qote.......It does make since......
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Lets say he owed them $2500 in action.

What difference does it make if he plays the whole $2500 in week 1 and then waits 25 more days to withdraw ?

It is no different than if he made $85 per day in action.

buddyboy · May 19, 2003

Bonus hunters are the shoplifters of the online gaming world...

Everyone pays the price.

HacheMan · May 19, 2003

I dont really concern myself with bonuses, but you guys have to remember, some do rely on bonuses, simply because some dont have the bankroll as others do.

Buzzsaw · May 19, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> For example, to earn your bonus on a $100 deposit, simply wager $500 in the casino, sportsbook, lottery/keno, or a combination of all three as long as the total wagered amount equals $500.

Bonuses earned after deposits and Sportsbook/Casino transfers are only valid if the amount deposited remains active in the account for 30 days. Winnings may be redeemed as desired.
CURRENT RULES OF DIMES
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>In my opinion they should pay the player the bonus. The word "active" is not defined and should not be the reason the bonus is denied.

5Dimes should pay the player the $200 and add a definition to the term "active".

Rules have to be written clear enough that players understand what the requirements are. In this case, I have no idea what "active" is and if the player knew what "active" meant he would have attempted to fulfill the requirement.

DellDude · May 19, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Hache man:
I dont really concern myself with bonuses, but you guys have to remember, some do rely on bonuses, simply because some dont have the bankroll as others do.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't have the bankroll and I could give two shits about bonuses. Like I said before, anytime I make a deposit without an overdraft fee, I consider that a bonus.

If it were up to me, ALL cash bonuses would be outlawed.

I'm serious about this. If you are serious about gambling with your bankroll and not wanting to jackoff you don't need a bonus.

The only kind of rebate plan I like is the one CRIS has. You get loyalty points for risking money. When you get enough ponts, you get free merchandise. That's pretty neat. With Sands, you can even get expensive vacations. Those are the kinds of bonuses I can appreciate, not the money kind.

Halifax · May 19, 2003

"Guys, I do have to defend Danny here with this qote.......It does make since......

quote:

Lets say he owed them $2500 in action.

What difference does it make if he plays the whole $2500 in week 1 and then waits 25 more days to withdraw ?

It is no different than if he made $85 per day in action."
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Hache Man:

Where you and Danny May are mistaken is that a bettor doesn't owe them ONLY $2,500 in action. According to the posted rules, a bettor owes them $2,500 in Action AND an Active account for 30 days.

... Not saying the rule is a great rule, but it is A rule.

damiandunlap · May 19, 2003

What does active accoount mean?
he didnt close his account
so it must have been active.

He played by the rules , beat them and he should get paid.

dont matter bonus or not,it the casino or sportbook that giving out the bonus, so they should keep there word