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Because a clinically diagnosed mentally ill young man had access to weapons that killed a bunch of kindergarten kids learning how to read and write. He should not have had access to those weapons by law.

Uh, when you shoot your mother and raid the gun cabinet, "laws" aren't real effective.

#Fail.
 

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Illinois has some of the strictest firearms laws in America.

By the way: Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens. In 2010, seven teens ages 16 to 19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries.

Yet nobody is calling for "ignition locks" or foam cars, banning cars, or banning teenaged drivers.

Only human life. No big deal.

#Caring

The banning of stairs, cars, treadmills, mountains argument doesn't work man. Just stop.
 

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oh wait, I get it, the gestapo should have taken away the rights of the mom of the Sandy Hook shooter.

#Caring.
 

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Uh, when you shoot your mother and raid the gun cabinet, "laws" aren't real effective.

#Fail.

You're missing the point. Why, by law, were the guns allowed in the house in the first place? With a mentally ill man in the house?
 

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"Lanza had been diagnosed in 2005 with Asperger syndrome, an autism-like disorder that is not usually associated with violence."

My goodness, has this poster read anything about this topic?
 

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oh wait, I get it, the gestapo should have taken away the rights of the mom of the Sandy Hook shooter.

#Caring.

With a mentally ill person in the house? Absolutely. And that's the issue, the rights of the gun owner are more important than those kindergartners in the classroom. That's the message. That's what you're advocating.
 

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This is just embarrassing.

Alright dude, best of luck in this thread. I tried to talk like a normal level-headed person with you on the topic. Not going to be insulted anymore simply because we disagree.
 

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"Lanza had been diagnosed in 2005 with Asperger syndrome, an autism-like disorder that is not usually associated with violence."

My goodness, has this poster read anything about this topic?

USUALLY. That's a pretty important word in that sentence.
 

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With a mentally ill person in the house? Absolutely. And that's the issue, the rights of the gun owner are more important than those kindergartners in the classroom. That's the message. That's what you're advocating.

Let's go to the experts:

Solutions that focus on reducing crimes by the mentally ill will make only a small dent in the nation’s rate of gun-related murders, ranging from mass killings to shootings that claim a single victim. It’s not just that the mentally ill represent a minority of the country’s population; it’s also that the overlap between mental illness and violent behavior is poor.
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Those who suffer from mental illness are much more likely to harm themselves than other people.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/maga...-would-do-little-to-end-gun-violence-20130124

Another:

Although the recent mass killings (in Aurora, Colo., Tucson, Ariz., and at Virginia Tech) were committed by young men believed to have severe mental illness, the vast majority of those with mental illness are no more likely to commit acts of violence, and are no more likely to want to inflict harm, than the general public. As the director of the National Institute of Mental Health, Thomas Insell, said, those with severe mental illness, known as SMI, are more likely to be violent, particularly during a psychotic episode with paranoid delusions, but "mental illness contributes very little to the overall rate of violence in the community. Most people with SMI are not violent, and most violent acts are not committed by people with SMI."

Link: http://articles.courant.com/2013-01...30125_1_mental-illness-mental-health-disorder

Another:

Mental illness is the cause of fewer mass shootings than the public perceives, Appelbaum said. "If you look at the lists that are put together of those kinds of events, they are primarily family and workplace violence episodes," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/mental-health-gun-violence_n_2583986.html
 

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As we debate the steps to reducing gun violence in the society a couple points need to be understood: 1. The link between violent crime and mental illness is weak, and 2. Mental health professionals are poor at predicting anyone’s propensity for any specific behavior, including homicide.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-gordon-livingston/guns-and-mental-health_b_2654240.html


And this one raises a good point:

Another complication of keeping guns away from people experiencing mental health problems is that crises come and go.Sometimes people have mental illnesses and gun access can be dangerous. Sometimes they get better.

http://www.healthpolicysolutions.or...nd-right-undermine-gun-bill-on-mental-health/

But lets listen to non-mental health, non aware of relevant firearms laws commenter enfeugo instead!
 

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The NRA solution: All we need to do is make sure that every man, woman & child on the planet have easy access to guns and are just really really nice to each other.
 

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The NRA solution: All we need to do is make sure that every man, woman & child on the planet have easy access to guns and are just really really nice to each other.

I think that's a little extreme. Can't we find somewhere in the middle?

Texas doesn't have the problems Chiraq has. Lots of people carry guns down there.

I don't think that we can just pass laws, take a photo-op in front of TV cameras and hope the problem goes away. We need enforcement of the laws on the books first and foremost.
 

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As we debate the steps to reducing gun violence in the society a couple points need to be understood: 1. The link between violent crime and mental illness is weak, and 2. Mental health professionals are poor at predicting anyone’s propensity for any specific behavior, including homicide.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-gordon-livingston/guns-and-mental-health_b_2654240.html


And this one raises a good point:

Another complication of keeping guns away from people experiencing mental health problems is that crises come and go.Sometimes people have mental illnesses and gun access can be dangerous. Sometimes they get better.

http://www.healthpolicysolutions.or...nd-right-undermine-gun-bill-on-mental-health/

But lets listen to non-mental health, non aware of relevant firearms laws commenter enfeugo instead!

excellent, lets start arming the mentally ill. Does each personality need to register the gun individually or will one registration do?
 

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