4 CHILDREN and 2 adults shot dead near Houston.

[Acebb]

It's the Federal Judge that shot down Chicago gun sale ban back in January.

Yes, but there are no gun shops in Chicago proper.

I always get a kick out of this.

[h=1]<nyt_headline version="1.0" type=" ">Strict Gun Laws in Chicago Can’t Stem Fatal Shots</nyt_headline>[/h]
Chicago, a city with no civilian gun ranges and bans on both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, finds itself laboring to stem a flood of gun violence that contributed to more than 500 homicides last year...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/u...ant-stem-fatal-shots.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[Enfuego]

The poster who replied to you quite literally has no idea what she's saying. None. It would be the same as asking a 2nd grader to explain jet propulsion and the engineering and physics which enable an airplane to fly.

Anyway, there are more than 22,000 pages of federal laws and regulations governing the manufacture, distribution and sale of firearms. For starters, see 18 U.S.C. § 922 (b) through (d)

And what people never seem to grasp, is that the areas surrounding Chicago, areas where there are actually gun stores, have lower gun crime rates. There is no correlation, none, between stricter firearms laws and gun crime.

The problem with what you're saying here is the firearm laws are not strict. They literally do nothing because of the need to appease the feelings of gun owners across our country. A strict gun law is this "if caught with an illegal firearm, you will receive 25 years in the federal pen with no chance of parole." That's it.

 

[Acebb]

The problem with what you're saying here is the firearm laws are not strict. They literally do nothing because of the need to appease the feelings of gun owners across our country. A strict gun law is this "if caught with an illegal firearm, you will receive 25 years in the federal pen with no chance of parole." That's it.

Except your definition of strict is arbitrary.

But no matter, since when DC had a complete handgun ban their homicides tripled in number. And of course Chicago routinely led the nation in the # of homicides while having a complete handgun ban and no gun stores in the city.

There is zero correlation between stricter firearms laws (Note: I referenced the New York times saying Chicago has strict laws) and gun crime.

None.

 

[Acebb]

They literally do nothing because of the need to appease the feelings of gun owners across our country.

^ That is hilariously stupid.

 

[Enfuego]

Except your definition of strict is arbitrary.

But no matter, since when DC had a complete handgun ban their homicides tripled in number. And of course Chicago routinely led the nation in the # of homicides while having a complete handgun ban and no gun stores in the city.

There is zero correlation between stricter firearms laws (Note: I referenced the New York times saying Chicago has strict laws) and gun crime.

None.

And what is the punishment if found with a gun in a city with a complete handgun ban? There is zero correlation between stricter firearms laws and murders? So what you're saying is a city in Canada with the same population as Chicago that only has 68 murders PER YEAR as opposed to Chicago's murder rate is just lucky? Come on man. The stats don't lie.

 

[Enfuego]

They literally do nothing because of the need to appease the feelings of gun owners across our country.

^ That is hilariously stupid.

ACEBB, I'm not personally insulting you. Please afford me the same courtesy. Following the murder of 27 kids and teachers at Sandy Hook, tell me what was done? If that is not a huge slap in the face, I don't think anything ever will change.

 

[Acebb]

And what is the punishment if found with a gun in a city with a complete handgun ban? There is zero correlation between stricter firearms laws and murders? So what you're saying is a city in Canada with the same population as Chicago that only has 68 murders PER YEAR as opposed to Chicago's murder rate is just lucky? Come on man. The stats don't lie.

Chicago isn't in Canada.

But hey, keep pretending that a complete gun ban isn't a strict law.

 

[Acebb]

ACEBB, I'm not personally insulting you. Please afford me the same courtesy. Following the murder of 27 kids and teachers at Sandy Hook, tell me what was done? If that is not a huge slap in the face, I don't think anything ever will change.

How about you quit posing stupid stuff instead?

The fact that you don't know "what was done" after Sandy Hook speaks volumes.

How about you go do some reading instead of posting a bunch of Non Sequiturs?

 

[TheComputerGroup]

I wonder if gun companies sell guns to gangs on the black market?

Just so many guns out there, just watch the movie "Lord Of War" & I suspect there are guys like this everywhere that can get you what you need for a price.

Way too many guns on the street & in peoples hands with a previous felony conviction. Some how, some way, these find are getting out there while there is a complete gun ban & no gun stores anywhere to get them.

 

[Enfuego]

Chicago isn't in Canada.

But hey, keep pretending that a complete gun ban isn't a strict law.

And this is the entire point. If you want to change and want to make your streets safer, why don't you model yourself after a city that is successful? Why do we just do the same thing we've always done without success? Doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Acebb]

[h=1]Researchers say Emanuel should hire cops, not push mandatory minimums[/h]
http://www.wbez.org/news/researchers-say-emanuel-should-hire-cops-not-push-mandatory-minimums-108967

There seems to be quite a bit of disagreement over whether or not there should be mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes.

A 25 year sentence is not something anyone in the political class would ever enact.

 

[Enfuego]

How about you quit posing stupid stuff instead?

The fact that you don't know "what was done" after Sandy Hook speaks volumes.

How about you go do some reading instead of posting a bunch of Non Sequiturs?

Cool. AC, this is not personal and I'm not going to clutter an important thread going back and forth because you want to insult me. Not going to happen. Just go ahead and post to other guys in this thread. That's the problem with the RX right now. We can't sit and have an intelligent conversation about an important topic without one poster personally insulting the other. It's too bad.

 

[Acebb]

And this is the entire point. If you want to change and want to make your streets safer, why don't you model yourself after a city that is successful? Why do we just do the same thing we've always done without success? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Nobody is "doing the same thing"

The violent crime rate in America is falling.

 

[Acebb]

Cool. AC, this is not personal and I'm not going to clutter an important thread going back and forth because you want to insult me. Not going to happen. Just go ahead and post to other guys in this thread. That's the problem with the RX right now. We can't sit and have an intelligent conversation about an important topic without one poster personally insulting the other. It's too bad.

I don't want to insult you.

You are posting a bunch of incoherent, factually false, nonsense.

I'm pointing that out.

 

[Enfuego]

It's all good. Only a human life. No big deal. http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/12/us/chicago-weekend-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[Acebb]

Why do people keep bringing up Sandy Hook as it relates to gun laws? The murderer did not purchase a weapon in order to commit those crimes. Further, he committed multiple felonies before even stepping foot on the grounds of the school.

It is completely absurd to invoke Sandy Hook.

 

[Enfuego]

I don't want to insult you.

You are posting a bunch of incoherent, factually false, nonsense.

I'm pointing that out.

It's easy, then don't insult me. I think you're posting a bunch of incoherent, factually false bunch of shit as well but I'm not going to insult you. Not going to disrespect your opinion like that.

 

[Acebb]

It's all good. Only a human life. No big deal. http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/12/us/chicago-weekend-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Illinois has some of the strictest firearms laws in America.

By the way: Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens. In 2010, seven teens ages 16 to 19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries.

Yet nobody is calling for "ignition locks" or foam cars, banning cars, or banning teenaged drivers.

Only human life. No big deal.

#Caring

 

[Acebb]

It's easy, then don't insult me. I think you're posting a bunch of incoherent, factually false bunch of shit as well but I'm not going to insult you. Not going to disrespect your opinion like that.

Except you can't demonstrate anything I'm posting is factually false.

 

[Enfuego]

Why do people keep bringing up Sandy Hook as it relates to gun laws? The murderer did not purchase a weapon in order to commit those crimes. Further, he committed multiple felonies before even stepping foot on the grounds of the school.

It is completely absurd to invoke Sandy Hook.

Because a clinically diagnosed mentally ill young man had access to weapons that killed a bunch of kindergarten kids learning how to read and write. He should not have had access to those weapons by law.