2017 SEC Off-Season Thread

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States w/ highest % of HS football players recruited by a DI school:
1. Florida
2. Georgia
3. Louisiana
4-8. (DC), MD, TN, SC, NC



The top recruiting states for college football can be evaluated a few different ways, but percentage-wise, the top three states all sit in SEC territory.
According to NCAA Research, Florida has a higher percentage of high school players recruited by Division I programs (9.9 percent) than any other state in the U.S. Georgia is second at 8.6 percent, and Louisiana is third at 8.1 percent.


At 9.9 percent, almost one out of every 10 high school players in Florida make it to a D-I program. That’s more than twice the rate for players in California (3.5 percent) and more than three times the rate in Texas (2.7 percent).


Georgia and Louisiana aren’t far behind. And unlike the Gators, who inevitably share in-state recruits with two other Power 5 programs in Florida State and Miami, Georgia and LSU get a bigger share of the pie in their respective states. The Bulldogs only have one other Power 5 program in the state in Georgia Tech. LSU is the only Power 5 program in Louisiana.

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[CoachCB]

Coach, not telling you anything you don't already know but the Defense carried the Gators the past two years. Now here's the rub for the coming season. The Defense lost three-quarters of its starting D-Line, all three linebackers, and two lock down corners. The defense will have a hard time covering for an offense that has ranked 99th and 107th in points per game the last two seasons when you consider no idea who the QB will be and no defined playmakers. Because of McElwain's spotty recruiting, I question the talent level on this team.

The light at the end of the tunnel is the schedule. Eight games will be played in the state of Florida. Seven home games and Georgia in Jacksonville. The Gators could easily be 1-2 after three games. We shall see my friend!

CL, glad to see you posting!

I'm not too concerned w/ the defense. Very thin w/ experience at DT. Other than that, should be good. UF had a TON of injuries last year. There won't be a single starter on D that hasn't started at least 1 football game in their careers. 2 of the 3 LBs that started the bowl game are back, Dawson moves to CB and Gardner starts at the other (both started 4+ games last year), Bryan & Clark have 7 combined starts at DT, Jefferson & Sherit are solid at DT, and both Safties return.

The big questions are on O...especially at QB. Honestly, if Del Rio is healthy I won't be shocked if he starts this year. I'd prefer Franks start and we take some lumps, building for 2019. The OL is finally a strength (I hope) w/ 4 returning starters and good depth. Good WR depth and good RB depth chart. If the OL shits the bed, it's going to be trouble. If the QB shits the bed, same.

This is a big year for McElwain!

Now, tell me about Bama. Do they beat FSU? I loath FSU!!! But they are returning a hell of a team. Cowherd keeps touting them as the best team in the country.

 

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States w/ highest % of HS football players recruited by a DI school:
1. Florida
2. Georgia
3. Louisiana
4-8. (DC), MD, TN, SC, NC



The top recruiting states for college football can be evaluated a few different ways, but percentage-wise, the top three states all sit in SEC territory.
According to NCAA Research, Florida has a higher percentage of high school players recruited by Division I programs (9.9 percent) than any other state in the U.S. Georgia is second at 8.6 percent, and Louisiana is third at 8.1 percent.


At 9.9 percent, almost one out of every 10 high school players in Florida make it to a D-I program. That’s more than twice the rate for players in California (3.5 percent) and more than three times the rate in Texas (2.7 percent).


Georgia and Louisiana aren’t far behind. And unlike the Gators, who inevitably share in-state recruits with two other Power 5 programs in Florida State and Miami, Georgia and LSU get a bigger share of the pie in their respective states. The Bulldogs only have one other Power 5 program in the state in Georgia Tech. LSU is the only Power 5 program in Louisiana.

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Thanks for posting rt. Interesting numbers.

I think these numbers validate just how much UGA has underachieved the last 30 plus years. Not only has UGA never played in a championship game during the BCS and CFP eras, they have only won the SEC twice the last 34 years. That is unfathomable with the talent that state produces.

Richt had a reputation for recruiting well in state but was that reputation justified? Smart did a fantastic job keeping local talent in state last year but will it continue? Rivals rank 11 kids from Ga in their top 87 this year. So far only 1 of those kids have committed to Ga. Clemson has 2, Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame have one each. It should be noted, the lone Ga commit (Z McClain) was not offered by bama or AU.

Mike Farrell, Rival's recruiting director, did a piece this week about out of state schools raiding Ga for top recruits. Between 2012 and 2017, Ga signed 47 four and five star kids. That sounds impressive until you dig deeper. During this time frame, AU signed 20, S Carolina signed 19 (that number surprised me), Clemson signed 13, Tenn signed 12 and bama signed 11. It should also be noted that LSU, Ole Miss, N Car, Fla, FSU, Louisville, Ohio State, Stanford and USC have signed 3 or more. Side note, Ga Tech signed one.

A few key players Ga lost to out of state schools: Deshaun Watson, Kenyan Drake, Robert Nkemdiche, Arden Key, Derrick Brown, Mike Davis, Mitch Hyatt and Austin Bryant. The list goes on and on.

 

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oh Kirby, WTF are you doing?

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/g...-media-reporting-injuries-without-permission/

Kirby has now gone full Gestapo mode and will only allow media members to UGA practices if they agree to check with him before they write anything about player injuries

[FONT=&quot]In a move that has received some eye-rolling from those in the media, Georgia head coach Kirby Smart is silencing the media when it comes to breaking injury news.
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[FONT=&quot]The reason for the ban likely stems from reports regarding a practice injury to freshman defensive back Deangelo Gibbs last week. Smart expressed his frustration with the fact that word got out before he had a chance to respond to the news.[/FONT]

 

[cloverleaf]

CL, glad to see you posting!

I'm not too concerned w/ the defense. Very thin w/ experience at DT. Other than that, should be good. UF had a TON of injuries last year. There won't be a single starter on D that hasn't started at least 1 football game in their careers. 2 of the 3 LBs that started the bowl game are back, Dawson moves to CB and Gardner starts at the other (both started 4+ games last year), Bryan & Clark have 7 combined starts at DT, Jefferson & Sherit are solid at DT, and both Safties return.

The big questions are on O...especially at QB. Honestly, if Del Rio is healthy I won't be shocked if he starts this year. I'd prefer Franks start and we take some lumps, building for 2019. The OL is finally a strength (I hope) w/ 4 returning starters and good depth. Good WR depth and good RB depth chart. If the OL shits the bed, it's going to be trouble. If the QB shits the bed, same.

This is a big year for McElwain!

Now, tell me about Bama. Do they beat FSU? I loath FSU!!! But they are returning a hell of a team. Cowherd keeps touting them as the best team in the country.

Coach, Mac AIN'T in trouble with ANY of the decision makers at the University of Florida. Fans....Yes, because of the lack of offense production....but hard to argue with two SEC East championships. I don't have a ton of confidence in the offense this season but can't get much worse than what we've seen the past couple of years.

As far as Bama and FSU....I kinda of join my friend Walter Tibbs at another forum.

 

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Lots of SEC West at the top of the preseason Hot Seat list, http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm


1) Freeze 4.5M
4) Sumlin 5.25M
7) Bielema 4.2M

 

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for CoachCB ... will be interesting to see how Florida handles their 2018 QB recruiting situation because there is a path in place for them to screw themselves. They have a 4-star from Orlando, Joe Milton, that is a lifelong Gators fan and wants to be in Gainesville next year but Gators are slow-playing him because they really want Justin Fields. now Jimmy Harbaugh is putting full-court press for Milton and State Penn is all-in on Fields. They miss on both of them because of prioritizing Fields and this QB issue can go on for quite a while. Really need Franks to produce....

quite a big disparity b/w recruiting services on Fields. ESPN has him 4th overall recruit and Rivals has him outside the top 100

 

[DeadLast]

for CoachCB ... will be interesting to see how Florida handles their 2018 QB recruiting situation because there is a path in place for them to screw themselves. They have a 4-star from Orlando, Joe Milton, that is a lifelong Gators fan and wants to be in Gainesville next year but Gators are slow-playing him because they really want Justin Fields. now Jimmy Harbaugh is putting full-court press for Milton and State Penn is all-in on Fields. They miss on both of them because of prioritizing Fields and this QB issue can go on for quite a while. Really need Franks to produce....

quite a big disparity b/w recruiting services on Fields. ESPN has him 4th overall recruit and Rivals has him outside the top 100

Rivals had an update on Milton this morning. CoachCB may (or may not) enjoy their take.

Hopefully the link works for everyone. It is a free article so it should be accessible to all.

https://n.rivals.com/news/making-the-case-wolverines-dawgs-or-gators-for-milton-

 

[CoachCB]

Coach, Mac AIN'T in trouble with ANY of the decision makers at the University of Florida. Fans....Yes, because of the lack of offense production....but hard to argue with two SEC East championships. I don't have a ton of confidence in the offense this season but can't get much worse than what we've seen the past couple of years.

As far as Bama and FSU....I kinda of join my friend Walter Tibbs at another forum.

CL, I think if he goes worse than 7-5 he's in trouble this year....sadly (losing 5 games - which would be 13 losses in 3 years - is inexcusable at UF). Winning the SEC East, right now, is like being the smartest retard. There is nothing impressive w/ "winning" the East...especially when you get blown out in the SECCG.

He's lost 8 games at UF and they have all been by blowouts. The Tennessee game was a 10 point loss, but after going up 21-0 they gave up 35 unanswered.....then score an oh, by the way TD to make it a 10 point game.

He needs to get that offense fixed, because the D can't keep carrying the team. The fact he's going after the ND transfer QB doesn't make things look good. I think they should play Franks and take some lumps (like UGA, FSU, and Bama did last year).

 

[CoachCB]

for CoachCB ... will be interesting to see how Florida handles their 2018 QB recruiting situation because there is a path in place for them to screw themselves. They have a 4-star from Orlando, Joe Milton, that is a lifelong Gators fan and wants to be in Gainesville next year but Gators are slow-playing him because they really want Justin Fields. now Jimmy Harbaugh is putting full-court press for Milton and State Penn is all-in on Fields. They miss on both of them because of prioritizing Fields and this QB issue can go on for quite a while. Really need Franks to produce....

quite a big disparity b/w recruiting services on Fields. ESPN has him 4th overall recruit and Rivals has him outside the top 100

Take a look at Milton's HS stats. They terrible. He's completed less than 50% of his passes (as a HS QB). From what I'm hearing, the staff wants Fields or the kid committed to Kentucky (Jarren Williams, I think). They want to see Milton in camp and evaluate him further, as they are not sold.

My issue w/ it is that in today's recruiting you need to get on a QB fast! The top QBs usually commit early. One of McElwain's problems is that he's been late offering certain kids....and that sours them on UF. He's done a mediocre - at best - job on the recruiting trail.

I'm not sure what's up w/ Fields (and why in the hell he'd want to go to Penn State). But if UF has a bad year the writing could be on the wall and only a matter of time before McElwain gets the boot.

IMO, I just don't think McElwain has "it". He doesn't have the intensity that's needed to win at a high level. I hope I'm wrong, but there are too many examples of his half-ass "aw-shucks" attitude and failure on the field.

Again, if the O doesn't get fixed this year....he's done.

 

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yeah i saw an article that 1/3 of Milton's passing yards came on 10 plays. hits big plays and not much else. no idea how fields got hooked up with state penn but they just got a decommit yesterday form their #1 recruit (DE from Harrisburg) so hopefully Fields isn't far behind. I don't care where he goes as long as it's not creepy valley....

tough spot for Mac and Nuss. Got one dude that can throw it 75 yards (Franks) and another that can hit 10 yarders consistently (Del Rio) but neither can do both. Could have all been different if Will Grier didn't screw up...I thought he was pretty decent


crazy story out of Athens....

4-star OL D'Antney Demery was visiting for the Georgia Spring Game and brought his 1-mo old baby momma with him. They got in an argument at a Waffle House and she tried to leave. He was having none of that so threw her against the wall and choked her down....in public.

Georgia of course has ripped up his offer sheet. Dumb fucker

 

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yeah i saw an article that 1/3 of Milton's passing yards came on 10 plays. hits big plays and not much else. no idea how fields got hooked up with state penn but they just got a decommit yesterday form their #1 recruit (DE from Harrisburg) so hopefully Fields isn't far behind. I don't care where he goes as long as it's not creepy valley....

tough spot for Mac and Nuss. Got one dude that can throw it 75 yards (Franks) and another that can hit 10 yarders consistently (Del Rio) but neither can do both. Could have all been different if Will Grier didn't screw up...I thought he was pretty decent


crazy story out of Athens....

4-star OL D'Antney Demery was visiting for the Georgia Spring Game and brought his 1-mo old baby momma with him. They got in an argument at a Waffle House and she tried to leave. He was having none of that so threw her against the wall and choked her down....in public.

Georgia of course has ripped up his offer sheet. Dumb fucker

Rolltide how you think Bama does this year. I know they just reload but do you see maybe 3 losses this year?

 

[CoachCB]

QB Jarren Williams decommitted from Kentucky today. Looks like that could be a UF or Bama decision.

The OL recruit from UGA story is nuts. That kid (and his baby momma) totally screwed up. He likely ends up in a JUCO and will be lucky to land back at D1 school.

 

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QB Jarren Williams decommitted from Kentucky today. Looks like that could be a UF or Bama decision.

The OL recruit from UGA story is nuts. That kid (and his baby momma) totally screwed up. He likely ends up in a JUCO and will be lucky to land back at D1 school.

Coach, ideally we would like to add 1 QB for 2018 but if they don't get the right guy they are OK passing all together since we have 1 true sophomore and 2 true freshman. Williams still has to camp at Bama this summer which will decide whether his offer is committable or not. He is not a super highly rated kid by the services by Daboll digs him a lot


pathologist, i try not to ever think about 3-loss seasons since Shula and Dubose - we start out either 5-0 or 4-1 (depending on FSU neutral) and get Ark and lsu at home. Have to think 9-3 is the absolutely worst we will do with 10-2 the average. FSU, at aTm, Ark, LSU, and at barn are only possible losses and we will likely be favored in all. I think this is the year the overhaul in coaches (only 2 of the 9 were here 2 years ago) and defensive attrition catches up to us but 10 wins should be fully expected.


I think we will be better at some positions, worse at others. There's nobody that can duplicate Williams and Allen's production on the D line and Reuben Foster was the best ILB in college football. And we're moving a WR to CB to replace Humphrey plus we're definitely going to miss Eddie Jackson at safety and both Tomlinson and Anderson on the D line. That's a ton of talent and experience missing defensively with FSU up first....


I think Hurts will be much better at QB and our WR group is probably most talented in program history. RB is stacked but right side of OLine is work in progress. Scoring won't be an issue this year though it's too bad can't see OJ Howard in a Daboll offense... - our LT, LG, and C will make for the best left side of an Oline in the country

 

[mws]

Thanks for posting rt. Interesting numbers.

I think these numbers validate just how much UGA has underachieved the last 30 plus years. Not only has UGA never played in a championship game during the BCS and CFP eras, they have only won the SEC twice the last 34 years. That is unfathomable with the talent that state produces.

Another way to look at it is to look at what their rivals and neighbors have done. After UGA won its last national title in 1980, Clemson won the title the very next year (with a QB from Athens, no less). Clemson has now added another one. All Georgia's other rivals have won titles since 1980 (except South Carolina, if they count). Florida has three. Auburn has one. Even Tech has one. Bama has five, and Tennessee has one. To the south, Miami and FSU have five and three respectively.

That's eight schools from Georgia and four bordering states combining to win 21 titles since Georgia won its last.

 

[CoachCB]

Another way to look at it is to look at what their rivals and neighbors have done. After UGA won its last national title in 1980, Clemson won the title the very next year (with a QB from Athens, no less). Clemson has now added another one. All Georgia's other rivals have won titles since 1980 (except South Carolina, if they count). Florida has three. Auburn has one. Even Tech has one. Bama has five, and Tennessee has one. To the south, Miami and FSU have five and three respectively.

That's eight schools from Georgia and four bordering states combining to win 21 titles since Georgia won its last.

Great comparison. It is amazing UGA hasn't won one. I always thought that all the stars would align one day for Richt, but it never happened. Richt (and now Smart) are recruiting machines. No excuses w/ some of the talent they've accumulated in Athens over the years.

 

[cloverleaf]

Coach, most people don't realize the sorry football facilities at Georgia over the years (not stadium). Things are changing but Richt never had an indoor facility like the Bama's, etc. New facilities in place will help the program big time.

My take is the DAWGS will win the SEC East this season and will play Alabama for the conference title.

Kirby scares me but he has to have learned something from his first year. I thought he failed badly.

 

[CoachCB]

Coach, most people don't realize the sorry football facilities at Georgia over the years (not stadium). Things are changing but Richt never had an indoor facility like the Bama's, etc. New facilities in place will help the program big time.

My take is the DAWGS will win the SEC East this season and will play Alabama for the conference title.

Kirby scares me but he has to have learned something from his first year. I thought he failed badly.

CL, I understand the facilities issue....UF has them (Foley, the supposed "Greatest AD ever" let UF fall behind in the arms race bigtime. So I get it). But my point is that UGA, even with their facilities, has ALWAYS recruited well. They have recruited in the top 5-10 practically every year. So getting newer/nicer facilities isn't going to help in the recruiting arena.

Like I said, w/ Richt, I always thought "it" would all come together for him one year....but it never happened, surprisingly. That's why I think he has a ceiling at Miami.

I agree, Kirby's team should win the East....but they still have to get through UF and Tennessee. Also, believe it or not, Muschamp is doing a solid job at SC. In the long run, I think Muschamp is a 7-8 win coach at SC, but who knows? Maybe he learned something from his time at UF (like leave the OC alone and let him do his job!). If Eason has a good year, I think UGA could be a top 10 team. I'm not sure what to make of Tennessee. Jones has a ceiling also, and I'm not sure he has what it takes to get UT back to top 10 status. Their D was awful last year.

 

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Most 2017 NFL Draft picks by state where player played HS ball:

Georgia 29
Florida 27
California 26
Texas 24
Ohio 16
Louisiana 15

 

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Fla St/Crimson Tide will define the early season; I do not see Seminoles beating Clemson either way; hope Bama cleans them; like they usually do early in season in big games.