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[WillWalk]

Sportsbet wrote:
"Coaching...yes Billy ball has the rings and the experience but don't act like Reid doesn't have a clue what to do. Our coaching staff is outstanding with Brad Childress and Jim Johnson running the offense and defense and one of the elite special teams guys in Harbaugh. I think a slight edge to the Pats but we will scheme for them and do what we do with our defense to make life miserable for Brady."

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You'll give the coaching staff that's in their 3rd Superbowl in 4 years (winning 2 so far) the "slight" edge over a staff that just got pass the Champ round on the 4th try? Big of you.

Objectivity thy name is Sportsbet

 

[sportsbet]

Sportsbet- you just said Trotter will play a big part of Philly's defensive game plan for the SuperBowl. You say the Philly D is quite something to behold after the PIT game. Take the next 6 games after PIT then and I ask you. What great offense did they stop? Dallas twice? Washington twice? NYG? The only team that both NE and Philly have BOTH played this year, by way of comparison, was lowly Cleveland, ( but- from the AFC, the stronger Conference) Both were played at Cleveland. NE easily buried Cleveland, covering and winning by 27. Phiily almost lost, squeaking out a win over them with a a field goal in OT. The point is what you see as a good improvement in the Philly defense means nothing until theyve played the BEST AFC TEAM -NE-after a doormat like CLE takes you to the brink and a good team like PIT holds you to zero TD's.

Fact is there are alot of good cappers around the country that like Philly and will bet them taking 7, and some even on the ML as well, and Sportsbet is evidently one of them. I just dont understand why. Were not trying to force the issue here and were not yahoos. Were simply trying to help them see the truth of the matter, because there is serious money avaible here to the astute investor. Im in for at least a Dime here, and Im looking for more evertime I hear Philly backers try to match their Defense against NE's Offense Theres a saying,, "Two men look out through the bars, One sees mud- the other sees stars." If they cant see all the stars surrounding the Patriots nothing will convince them. Thing is, were only telling them because we dont even care if the line goes up to 9.5. Otherwise I wouldnt be saying a word. The line in this game will be NO FACTOR. Period. NE dominates anything that crosses their path.
Of their three Playoff obstacles NE has cut through the flank and the rump. Now comes the tenderloin.

TR:
We played Cleveland very early in the year before the changes to the run defense. We really jumped on them early and then kind of relaxed after each score (they ran all over us that day...it didn't help that our run D had some real holes). If you read some of the threads around here late in the year on the Brownies most people had mentioned they had quit on themselves so the Pats basically went in and picked the bones.

I think we've improved drastically over that game in Week 5. I agree with your assessment of the 2nd half schedule being easier than expected but they are still divisional rivals and they will pretty much do their worst to hurt us (Roy Williams a good example of that).

It will be fun in a few days! E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

sb

 

[sportsbet]

Sportsbet, it's good to hear that you are taking all of this **** everyone is shoveling you with a grain of salt. In the past, I have seen many posters nearing rage and taking it all too personally. We're just a bunch of people engaging in some conversation and trying to share our angles on the game.

Total Recall, you're right about the Pats being a winning (and covering) machine. On paper, it looks like the Eagles have already lost. But, as I said in another post, the play that looks like the "sure thing" somehow seems to LOSE about half the time! Something about NE -7 isn't sitting right about this game. Every capper in the UNIVERSE (save Sportsbet) seems to be on NE, and it looks like they are the odds-on favorite to cover the -7.

BUT--what's going on with the books....are they going to let themselves get taken to the cleaners if the Pats cover in the biggest wagering event of the year? I haven't made up my mind yet, but I'm considering taking the dog + points (hopefully 9 or more by gametime). If these 2 teams had played during the regular season on a neutral field, I would probably be pretty happy with 7 points. Like many others, I'm probably overanalyzing this game and just trying to be a contrarian, but something feels funny about NE -7. GL

Iggy thanks We're in the Super Bowl...if you're an Eagles fan there is no reason you shouldn't be happy!

sb

 

[sportsbet]

Sportsbet wrote:
"Coaching...yes Billy ball has the rings and the experience but don't act like Reid doesn't have a clue what to do. Our coaching staff is outstanding with Brad Childress and Jim Johnson running the offense and defense and one of the elite special teams guys in Harbaugh. I think a slight edge to the Pats but we will scheme for them and do what we do with our defense to make life miserable for Brady."

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You'll give the coaching staff that's in their 3rd Superbowl in 4 years (winning 2 so far) the "slight" edge over a staff that just got pass the Champ round on the 4th try? Big of you.

Objectivity thy name is Sportsbet

Will in comparison to our coaching staff yes...I don't blame Andy for any of the losses in the NFC Championship Games (but of course being the man he is he tried to take all the blame to deflect it from his players. Being an Eagles fan I know better!)

sb

 

[ElIguana]

SB, I'm a Chiefs fan (sigh), so I really don't care who wins this game as long as the team I have my $$ on covers! I guess by nature I pull for underdogs, so it would be cool to see the Eagles win outright or at least keep it close for a good game like last year's SB. That was a great game, except I had NE -6!!!!!

 

[Grogan]

Hey Guys.....been out the loop for a couple of days, real life intruding--don't you hate when that happens? Anyway, I wanted to make a point about the line for this game and that "the House" would never be in a position to lose big, in the event that a public majority was on the Pats and the Pats covered.

My point is, that's just not true. Sometimes bookies/vegas/offshore/whatever gets beat on a game, where it's not a 50/50 split and "their" side loses. In this case, there seems to be a hesitancy (so far) to move the game off of 7, which is obviously a key number. That does NOT mean that the smart play becomes Philly here.

 

[ElIguana]

Nice to have you back, Grogan. It will be interesting to see how the action comes in on this game. If 75% of the action comes in on NE, can the books afford to leave it at -7? With everyone and their dogs betting on this game, I think this line will move at time wears on. Maybe I'm wrong and there are more Philly backers than I think.

On the other hand, I can see the books not wanting to raise it too high and opening a big middle around magic number 7. I guess it all depends on how much "sharp" money got it at -6.5 and what percentage of people are betting on each team. I was hoping to get Philly at -9 or -10, but the books probably won't open up a middle that big.

 

[sportsbet]

Iggy I hear you...I have relatives in KC and they are big big big Chiefs fans. My father (lives in Indiana) knows Trent Green's family pretty well.

Grogan,
New England couldn't cover 6 against an opponent that is not as talented and experienced as this year's Eagles team and you want to LAY MORE against a BETTER TEAM? Your financial funeral!



sb

 

[TotalRecall]

So thats why the line is only 6.7 to 7? Theres the trap logic again. Ill give you a better one. If you check all the teams that have won the Superbowl at least 3 times there is always a blow-out game in the first three. This one must be the blowout because the preveious 2 were decided by three points.
As I said before, I think the line stays at 7. More people thinking like previous the 3+3 does not equal 7 Theory against NE wheras I use the same facts to argue to argue yes it does not equal 7 it equals much more than 7, a whole lot more!
One of us will be rught. But this line is only 7 because of Carolina last year. Thats why NFC bettors will stand firm on the logic of that.If NE had blown out an opponent last year this line would be -13.5/ 14, the same line ST Louis was against the Patriots in 2001.
By the way Carolina matched up pretty well with the Patriots. Very balanced. Eagles have too many weaknesses for BB to have 2 Weeks to find and exploit. Name one weakness NE has. None that I can find. I used to think it was the secondary but if Peyton couldnt find open receivers I guess the new guys have worked out pretty well

 

[sportsbet]

So thats why the line is only 6.7 to 7? Theres the trap logic again. Ill give you a better one. If you check all the teams that have won the Superbowl at least 3 times there is always a blow-out game in the first three. This one must be the blowout because the preveious 2 were decided by three points.
As I said before, I think the line stays at 7. More people thinking like previous the 3+3 does not equal 7 Theory against NE wheras I use the same facts to argue to argue yes it does not equal 7 it equals much more than 7, a whole lot more!
One of us will be rught. But this line is only 7 because of Carolina last year. Thats why NFC bettors will stand firm on the logic of that.If NE had blown out an opponent last year this line would be -13.5/ 14, the same line ST Louis was against the Patriots in 2001.
By the way Carolina matched up pretty well with the Patriots. Very balanced. Eagles have too many weaknesses for BB to have 2 Weeks to find and exploit. Name one weakness NE has. None that I can find. I used to think it was the secondary but if Peyton couldnt find open receivers I guess the new guys have worked out pretty well

OK the trap isn't that the incredible AFC conference champion is only 7 points better than the weak NFC champion with their best scoring threat hobbled? If what everyone says about the AFC and NFC is true then the Eagles should be double digit dogs EASILY. Why are 2/3 of Carib's bettors on New England at -7? Because there is NO WAY the Eagles can cover that against the defending SUPER BOWL champs.

We have a more explosive offense than Carolina did last year and a better defense. As for the Colts (a dome team) in that horrible weather in New England not being able to score points...well let's just say the Eagles aren't a dome baby.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

sb

 

[Jacksorbetter+]

My honest opinion on the game being that I live in Philly, like the Eagle players but hate the bandwagon Eagle fans and would love nothing more than seeing the Eagles lose. However, I think 7 points is too many. The things that I like about NE:
1. Their experience
2. They are in a far far superior conference. Eagles were 2-2 vs AFC this year and their wins were by 5 over a very injured-suspended Ravens team and 3 in OT vs Cleveland. Pittsburgh and Cincy(Eagles starters sat) blew them out.
3. They dominated the Eagles 3 times in the last year and a half. Now two of these were preseason games but Eagle fans were booing each time. In last years regular season game, NE had MCNabb looking so bad, the fans were chanting we want AJ. In this years preseason game, Brady was 3-4 and a TD on the Eagle starters. Those bandwagon fans were saying Andy Reid had to go even though it was the 1st preseason game of the year as the Eagle starters scored 0 on NE in a little over a quarter.
4. NE does not make mistakes.

Advantages for Philly:
1. I think they like underdog role.
2. Run defense is playing very well.
3. Akers- Vinateiri is money with FG's but so is Akers and Aker's kickoffs are usually very deep while Vinateiri's are short at times.
4. I also think the Eagles will have a slight home field advantage as the Eagle fans are traveling south in very high numbers.
5. Every "expert" on CBS Sportsline picked NE -7, which is normally the kiss of death.

Overall, I think it will be a good game with NE winning. I'd say somewhere around 24-20. If Philly pulls the upset, I will see Eagle car flags in my sleep. There were idiots in Baltimore that kept their car flags on for over 2 years after the Ravens SB win. There is only one parade in Philly each year and it's called the Mummer's Day Parade. Let's keep it that way NE. Good luck Sportsbet but I'm rooting against you.

 

[sportsbet]

My honest opinion on the game being that I live in Philly, like the Eagle players but hate the bandwagon Eagle fans and would love nothing more than seeing the Eagles lose. However, I think 7 points is too many. The things that I like about NE:
1. Their experience
2. They are in a far far superior conference. Eagles were 2-2 vs AFC this year and their wins were by 5 over a very injured-suspended Ravens team and 3 in OT vs Cleveland. Pittsburgh and Cincy(Eagles starters sat) blew them out.
3. They dominated the Eagles 3 times in the last year and a half. Now two of these were preseason games but Eagle fans were booing each time. In last years regular season game, NE had MCNabb looking so bad, the fans were chanting we want AJ. In this years preseason game, Brady was 3-4 and a TD on the Eagle starters. Those bandwagon fans were saying Andy Reid had to go even though it was the 1st preseason game of the year as the Eagle starters scored 0 on NE in a little over a quarter.
4. NE does not make mistakes.

Advantages for Philly:
1. I think they like underdog role.
2. Run defense is playing very well.
3. Akers- Vinateiri is money with FG's but so is Akers and Aker's kickoffs are usually very deep while Vinateiri's are short at times.
4. I also think the Eagles will have a slight home field advantage as the Eagle fans are traveling south in very high numbers.
5. Every "expert" on CBS Sportsline picked NE -7, which is normally the kiss of death.

Overall, I think it will be a good game with NE winning. I'd say somewhere around 24-20. If Philly pulls the upset, I will see Eagle car flags in my sleep. There were idiots in Baltimore that kept their car flags on for over 2 years after the Ravens SB win. There is only one parade in Philly each year and it's called the Mummer's Day Parade. Let's keep it that way NE. Good luck Sportsbet but I'm rooting against you.

I resepct your opinion Jacks (even if you are a Ravens fan).

You know better than most how badly we need this game for the players and the coaches and the people here. I'm just hoping they don't crack under the pressure of it all. :toast:

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

sb

 

[ElIguana]

J.O.B., I understand how tired you must be of the Johnny-come-lately Eagles fans and their antics, but it is brutal of you to pull against your own town's team, IMO!!!!!! I am guessing you are not a native Philadelphian.

 

[sportsbet]

J.O.B., I understand how tired you must be of the Johnny-come-lately Eagles fans and their antics, but it is brutal of you to pull against your own town's team, IMO!!!!!! I am guessing you are not a native Philadelphian.

Don't pay any attention Ig...he's a blinded Baltimore person living in a much nicer city now (right Jacks!) :toast:

sb

 

[ElIguana]

It's certainly understandable that Jacksorbetter, tainted by the recent overload of displays of Eagle pride, could focus only on how annoying the fans have become. At least when a person's team loses, people ***** a little and then move on with their lives (like us Chiefs fans, for example).

But there's a lot to be said for root, root, rooting for the home team. Reminds me of fans who start hoping their own team will lose so the coach will be fired. It seems to make sense at the time, but a true fan never wants to see his own team lose. I guess Jacksorbetter never said he was an Eagles fan, he just lives in Philly.

 

[Grogan]

I will concede one thing---I HATE all of the "experts" on TV, etc., and the fact they're all picking the Pats. That sucks.

But even a broken clock is right twice a day, right?

 

[Jacksorbetter+]

El Iguana and Sportsbet,
I am a Baltimore guy and a Ravens fan having moved north about 2 years ago. The Mrs is from here and I liked the area and thought it was a nice place to bring up kids. Philly and Baltimore are very very similar. Both are blue collar cities with an inferiority complex. Baltimore folks feel inferior to DC and Philly to New York. Baltimore's first love is the Orioles while obviously Philly is the Eagles. When I moved here, I did not like or dislike the Eagles, but they are shoved down your throat so much and the fans are such homers that it is tough to listen to 24 hours a day. There is only 1 sports radio station in this whole city and they are 100 % local, no national coverage. Eagle fans are very passionate but they jump on and off the bandwagon so quick it is amusing. As soon as I heard the AJ cheers last year, I'd had enough. And I have a problem with adults yelling obscenities at my 4 yr old during a preseason game vs the Ravens as he was wearing a Ray Lewis jersey. It's not like he was wearing a Cowboys jersey in a playoff game. Pretty classless. The Eagles players are fantastic except for Me-O. They all help in the community and are fun to listen to on the radio. It was nice to see the players walk up to the kid singing the national anthem in the NFC championship game and pat him on the back. It is nice to see the excitement around here as it reminds me of Baltimore in 2000. However, I just feel the Patriots are the better team and will win this game.

 

[ElIguana]

Jacksorbetter, I understand completely. Very nice write-up. I have come to learn that every team (college or pro) has some classy, humane fans and some extreme idiotic fanatics, it just depends on what group you run into on any given day. Unfortunately, the classy fans are usually not in your face, so 100 of them won't make the lasting impression that 1 raving lunatic will leave on you and your family. Enjoy the game, fanatics or not.

 

[sportsbet]

I knew you were a Baltimore guy Jacks here in the greatest city in the world!

but they are shoved down your throat so much and the fans are such homers that it is tough to listen to 24 hours a day

I don't know what you're talking about...:coffeetim

sb

 

[TotalRecall]

Wow. I guess Freddy Mitchell cant keep his mouth shut any more than T.O.. But at least hes actually gonna play. It takes a brave man to call out a player like Harrison who hits you a little harder than most LB's. But hey, its his funeral and if he wants to crack out of turn and then try to take it back and say he didnt mean anything by it "Harrison, yeah, I got somethin' for you when we meet. " Freddy- its too late for you now scumbag! No only can he thank his hands, now he can thank his pea sized brain for being able to put his foot in his mouth. at the worst possible time. I hope hes wearing that same stupid bow-tie and Panama hat when they lower the casket. At least he looks look theyll say for a dead guy. News flash to Mitchell. Youre an idiot!!! And the Prop on catches made by Mitchell?- the under is now the play! The flip side is now hes gonna be all eyes on players and shadows around him increasing his paranoia and he ends up creating his own distraction. McNabb will give up on him eventually as he will be in no way open and useful or ready to hold onto anything but his head now.