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No, you are the idiot who is using rankings & name value to make an excuse as to why they don't play top OOC teams. So with your theory Alabama must be a great team for dominating a top 10 team who anyone with knowledge of the game knew was not a top 10 team.

He is right, the difference between the two conferences is not as huge as it once was. Anyone with a clue about football knows this is true. I mean LSU a much superior team has had trouble with middle of the road Pac 10 teams in the last # of years. If the difference between the two conferences was as huge as many believe, those games would have played out as the so called mismatches many perceived them to be.

People are quick to rag on USC for losing to Stanford but once again, people with knowledge of the game understand a basic concept that reigns supreme in all sports. What better team to knock off the cream of the crop but a conference foe who knows your strengths & weaknesses from the year round battles on the recruiting trail as well as the playing field.

Lets look at the facts for the USC haters.

Since the 2002-2003 season, USC has only lost 8 times & only 2 were to OOC opponents. Of the 2 losses, only 1 was during the regular season & that was back on September 21, 2002 when they lost 27-20 to Kansas State in Manhattan.

Lets look deeper at the losses:

2002-2003:

Kansas State 27-20 (Road)

Washington State 30-27 OT (Road)

2003-2004:

California 34-31 3 OT (Road)

2005-2006:

Texas 41-38 (Rose Bowl)

2006-2007:

Oregon State 33-31 (Road)

UCLA 13-9 (Road)

2007-2008:

Stanford 24-23 (Home)

Oregon 24-17 (Road)


Now lets take a look at their OOC wins over those same seasons:

2002-2003:

Auburn 24-17 (Home)

Colorado 40-3 (Road)

Notre Dame 44-13 (Home)

Iowa 38-17 (Orange Bowl)


2003-2004:

Auburn 23-0 (Road)

BYU 35-18 (Home)

Hawaii 61-32 (Home)

Notre Dame 45-14 (Road)

Michigan 28-14 (Rose Bowl)


2004-2005:

Virginia Tech 24-13 (Neutral although in Maryland so closer to VT)

Colorado State 49-0 (Home)

BYU 42-10 (Road)

Notre Dame 41-10 (Home)

Oklahoma 55-19 (Orange Bowl; remember this game well as I lost 5 figures on Oklahoma!)


2005-2006:

Hawaii 63-17 (Road)

Arkansas 70-0 (Home)

Notre Dame 34-31 (Road)

Fresno State 50-42 (Home)


2006-2007:

Arkansas 50-14 (Road)

Nebraska 28-10 (Home)

Notre Dame 44-24 (Home)

Michigan 32-18 (Rose Bowl)


2007-2008:

Idaho 38-10 (Home)

Nebraska 49-31 (Road)

Notre Dame 38-0 (Road)

Illinois 49-17 (Rose Bowl)


No one & I mean no one in the SEC has come close to playing the OOC USC has. USC would be better off with more OOC opponents as clearly their bugaboo is the missteps versus conference foes. They beat a team from 5 of the 6 BCS conferences with the lone exception being the Big East as no games have been played between the two.

In the 8 losses they had, not one of them were they blown out or outclassed. In every single one they played subpar games & still almost won. These are facts, not opinions. I'd invite anyone to go watch the tapes of every single game & prove otherwise.

So if you are going to trash a team or a conference, at least get your facts straight.
Auburn losing 24-17 was close! LOL
 

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After reading this thread all I can say is......

God I hope OSU kicks USC's ass!!!:aktion033

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God I hope OSU kicks USC's ass!!!:aktion033

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Agreed. Shocking there has been no mention of Oregon State's trip to Happy Valley last week yet when the 6th best SEC team lost at UCLA all the Pac10 loudmouths were out in force on the forums.
 

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Agreed. Shocking there has been no mention of Oregon State's trip to Happy Valley last week yet when the 6th best SEC team lost at UCLA all the Pac10 loudmouths were out in force on the forums.

Shows what you know about the Pac. Or.St is 7th best team. A big drop off no different than the SEC. I'd be laughing my ass off if UT wins 1/2 the SEC like last year when they also lost out west in the first game.

How about a couple excuses in advance. I'm listening.
 

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Conan,
You must be smokin' some of those Stanford Trees if you think TENN is going to win the SEC east. :nohead:


No way...No how.

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Conan,
You must be smokin' some of those Stanford Trees if you think TENN is going to win the SEC east. :nohead:


No way...No how.

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Sorry my man. You sound confused. In the first place, the only smoking trees out here are those Oaks the treesitters used to camp out in over the other side of the Bay in Berkeley. We are celebrating because personally, I'd like to see Tedford stick around which tightens things up quite a bit. Those trees caused a ridiculous delay in Cal's plans to upgrade their facilities and make Tedford happy.

Just FYI, Stanford/Palo Alto is not where you should go if you are looking to score some weed. They are down on it over there. But if you walk down the streets in Berkeley, there are about 7 weed stores... er I mean medical dispensaries. Ask Hipppiekiller about them. He's probably planning to blow one up sooner or later.

Not to belabor the point, but did you figure UT would win their div. last season after Cal whupped them? (I realize they have a first year QB and more issues like that, and it was just a joke... but how ironic if UT managed somehow to do it again.)
 

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I like the PAC 10 and I actually was rooting for UCLA...

But tenn is nowhere near what it was last year...and last year they didn't even win the SEC.....

they have no qb....and in college you gotta have a good qb to have any kind of shot

Florida is overrated...but they have a better shot at the title than georgia because of their schedule....Florida's defense is overrated

Georgia's defense is underrated...and as for ASU...just wait till next saturday baby....

your cream of the crop (USC) might be better than the SEC's top teams (USC, Florida, LSU, Alabama)....but UCLA, Oregon, ASU dont compare to Florida, Georgia or a LSU
 

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Sorry my man. You sound confused. In the first place, the only smoking trees out here are those Oaks the treesitters used to camp out in over the other side of the Bay in Berkeley. We are celebrating because personally, I'd like to see Tedford stick around which tightens things up quite a bit. Those trees caused a ridiculous delay in Cal's plans to upgrade their facilities and make Tedford happy.

Just FYI, Stanford/Palo Alto is not where you should go if you are looking to score some weed. They are down on it over there. But if you walk down the streets in Berkeley, there are about 7 weed stores... er I mean medical dispensaries. Ask Hipppiekiller about them. He's probably planning to blow one up sooner or later.

Not to belabor the point, but did you figure UT would win their div. last season after Cal whupped them? (I realize they have a first year QB and more issues like that, and it was just a joke... but how ironic if UT managed somehow to do it again.)
Conan,

To be completely honest during August I had simply thought that UCLA was going to literally get killed! Then Monday Night Football came on I saw the Rose Bowl and the fans and the plane milage and the first year QB who was supposed to be good. Too many things added up against the Vols that night and it was a definite trap game I was caught right in the middle of! LOL I would never say we would win at home. i never do that. Sure UCLA would have had some travel and us not, but the fact of the matter is we did nothing with four INTs.

About last year, I knew we had a good team after bouncing back from Alabama and completely pummeling the Bulldogs. We then went onto the SEC Championship (got a lot of help) and made it one hell of a game for the Tigers.

It is very ironic the Vols cannot win in California for they lose they and finish twelth last year. I am very interested into what will come of this season. Will the boys lay down and not even come out ready or will Crompton jump ship and not believe in his own self. All he had going was confidence and leadership. I saw none of that against UCLA. I can see them turning it around though Conan!

If we end up alright in the SEC are you the one to use it to say UCLA is better than Georgia, Auburn, or Florida if we beat one of those teams? I don't think you are. It will just further my point that is TOUGH to travel 2000 miles to open up against a OOC. California came here... and well... we saw that one here in Neyland.

BOL to you this year Conan. The edge to the SEC.. but the corner is closing! Whats your thinking on USC?
 

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One very valid excuse: Tennessee just can't play out west. LOL

My whole point here CG is simply that the SEC doesn't PLAY out west. They deliberately load up on Sun Belt/D1-AA opposition to an extreme. How about 1 or maybe 2 games vs everyone else? Make this a better sport by doing their share. No excuses. That's so lame.

UGA coming to Phoenix is all too rare of a game. LSU playing at UW next year isn't what I'm talking about either. I really would like to see a couple of the better teams or at least teams with equal standing in the SEC and PAC butt heads a lot more often. The SEC and Pac-10 don't even have regular a bowl game every year like most every conference does with most every conference. And I don't see where present committments can be changed in the near future. So all we have are preseason/OOC slots on the schedules to work with.
 

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BOL to you this year Conan. The edge to the SEC.. but the corner is closing! Whats your thinking on USC?

That's a very sound observation.


USC is practically invulnerable and ridiculous deep. They would have to beat themselves to lose a game to anyone. But if I was to pick one area where there may be some weakness I'd have to say their offense will not be as polished as their defense. There may be some holes that appear and go away and I see Sanchez being a part of most of them. It's his first year starting and he'll make a few mistakes along the way.

Their WR's have plenty to prove too as last season they seemed to take a back seat to their RB's too much. Maybe that was partially on Booty. If so, Sanchez will eventually clean that up. He has a much better arm than Booty did and he's twice as physical, more willing to take off with the ball. But he may need some starts to become consistent.

Their RB's are not qute established either but that will happen. What a scary thought to know that there are 3-4 guys that will be rushing at you in a game and any of them could start for and carry any team in the country.
 

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That's a very sound observation.


USC is practically invulnerable and ridiculous deep. They would have to beat themselves to lose a game to anyone. But if I was to pick one area where there may be some weakness I'd have to say their offense will not be as polished as their defense. There may be some holes that appear and go away and I see Sanchez being a part of most of them. It's his first year starting and he'll make a few mistakes along the way.

Their WR's have plenty to prove too as last season they seemed to take a back seat to their RB's too much. Maybe that was partially on Booty. If so, Sanchez will eventually clean that up. He has a much better arm than Booty did and he's twice as physical, more willing to take off with the ball. But he may need some starts to become consistent.

Their RB's are not qute established either but that will happen. What a scary thought to know that there are 3-4 guys that will be rushing at you in a game and any of them could start for and carry any team in the country.
Conan,

I totally agree. Much like Crompton (although not really in comparison to Week 1), it is STILL their SECOND start of the season this upcoming weekend. It seems like too much is on the line for a first year starter to come out and lead them against a Top 5 team and beat them by double digits. Although it would help greatly if Beanie Wells is to sit. I have a terrible time believing if Beanie is going through individuals (which consists of over 60% of practice and is not as non contact as one might think) then he should be able to come in and take some of the load. I just dont see him doing nothing in the biggest game of their regular season.

We will see. I think USC needs to get McKnight more active out of the backfield instead of sending him out wide. We will see how it goes. Sanchez made a lot of plays, but his WR also made a lot of plays for him. They were not up against Jenkins at corner either. Thats just my tid bit!

USC looks so strong, but double digits? I'll see ya around Conan! Come join in on UoDucks and my conversations! We usually get some good food for thought out! Until then you cheer on the coast and ill wave a flag and scream goooo South! LOL LOL :lol:

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CG,

About the USC/OSU game...

For USC to cover, they will need a stellar performance out of their defense. That happens to not be asking for too much because that's what they do. They need to give Sanchez some breathing room and time to rest to be effective and for him to put some distance between his team and the Buckeyes. Their rushing game could be enough to get the points by itself but a decent show on Sanchez part will make things a lot easier. From what I have seen, he has it in him and if, like I said, his defense gives him a cushion and field position, he will get it done. He's very physical, he's got a cannon for an arm and he's been hitting his targets. He's not just raw meat so don't expect that.
 

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Sorry my man. You sound confused. In the first place, the only smoking trees out here are those Oaks the treesitters used to camp out in over the other side of the Bay in Berkeley. We are celebrating because personally, I'd like to see Tedford stick around which tightens things up quite a bit. Those trees caused a ridiculous delay in Cal's plans to upgrade their facilities and make Tedford happy.

Just FYI, Stanford/Palo Alto is not where you should go if you are looking to score some weed. They are down on it over there. But if you walk down the streets in Berkeley, there are about 7 weed stores... er I mean medical dispensaries. Ask Hipppiekiller about them. He's probably planning to blow one up sooner or later.

Not to belabor the point, but did you figure UT would win their div. last season after Cal whupped them? (I realize they have a first year QB and more issues like that, and it was just a joke... but how ironic if UT managed somehow to do it again.)

No, I didn't see UT winning the East last year, preseason & especially after the Cal game.
You're right about the SEC playing outwest. They rarely do, and yes, most of our out of conference games are cupcakes but still, the strength of schedule for a UGA or FLA or TENN is way tougher than USC or ORE or CAL's. I hope you would agree with that.

Enough about that. I would like your thoughts on next weeks UGA/ASU game (assuming they both win this week). Do you think ASU gets a SU win?
BOL!
 

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