Sorry Hache, you may be the most knowledgeable person ever concerning blacks. You don't have a clue how much time Asian Youths spend playing pickup basketball. Among them are some of the sweetest, pure shooters I have ever seen. As a group they out-number and put in many more hours playing basketball than any other race. Genetics has short-changed them in the all important areas of:
1)heighth
2)coordination
3)speed
You posted that Blacks simply spend more time and therefore are better at specific sports, it's simply not true.
1)heighth
2)coordination
3)speed
You posted that Blacks simply spend more time and therefore are better at specific sports, it's simply not true.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>SDS,
I have to disagree for many reasons.
Hockey is, well, an expensive sport. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but studies show that there is indeed an income gap amongst the races. On top of that arguably the league's best played is black - Jerome Iginla.
Lacrosse isn't what I would dub as a major sport. In fact the best lacrosse players I've ever seen have been guys playing on Indian Reservations. Unbelieve talent, but the have a situtation where social/cultural/economic factors offer little incentative for them to leave the reservation and play college lacrosse. A few do, others skip right to the pros, but most just play indoor box games on the reservations and leave it at that.
Soccer - I think Nigeria will be the best team in the world once their training and coaching assets come on par with the great European teams.
JMHO, but I don't think us whiteys hold a candle in terms of athletics. Lander<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree about the "income gap" however, let's compare "apples to apples " as it were.
Right in Ontario where I live, I can introduce you to many minor league (peewee to Midget) Black hockey players who come from comfortably middle class backgrounds. This indicates that there will be zero difference between white & black socioeconomically in this instance.
The best players in the league(s) are not black. Granted there are some good ones, but the key players are all white.IF you believe that Iginla is the best in the NHL, then I am missing something. He is a talented shooter who sees a great deal of ice and receives many setup passes, but I wouldn't dream of mentioning him in the same breath as Sakic, Yzerman, Naslund...Gretzky, Lemieux..you get the idea.
Lacrosse on the other hand is Canada's National Sport. To say that Indians are the best is ridiculous. I have many years of both Junior A & Provincial Team experience in my past to say this. The Six Nations team dreaded when we came to town.
In the US, Lacrosse is primarily a College Field game and of little interest to most Canadians.
I have to disagree for many reasons.
Hockey is, well, an expensive sport. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but studies show that there is indeed an income gap amongst the races. On top of that arguably the league's best played is black - Jerome Iginla.
Lacrosse isn't what I would dub as a major sport. In fact the best lacrosse players I've ever seen have been guys playing on Indian Reservations. Unbelieve talent, but the have a situtation where social/cultural/economic factors offer little incentative for them to leave the reservation and play college lacrosse. A few do, others skip right to the pros, but most just play indoor box games on the reservations and leave it at that.
Soccer - I think Nigeria will be the best team in the world once their training and coaching assets come on par with the great European teams.
JMHO, but I don't think us whiteys hold a candle in terms of athletics. Lander<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree about the "income gap" however, let's compare "apples to apples " as it were.
Right in Ontario where I live, I can introduce you to many minor league (peewee to Midget) Black hockey players who come from comfortably middle class backgrounds. This indicates that there will be zero difference between white & black socioeconomically in this instance.
The best players in the league(s) are not black. Granted there are some good ones, but the key players are all white.IF you believe that Iginla is the best in the NHL, then I am missing something. He is a talented shooter who sees a great deal of ice and receives many setup passes, but I wouldn't dream of mentioning him in the same breath as Sakic, Yzerman, Naslund...Gretzky, Lemieux..you get the idea.
Lacrosse on the other hand is Canada's National Sport. To say that Indians are the best is ridiculous. I have many years of both Junior A & Provincial Team experience in my past to say this. The Six Nations team dreaded when we came to town.
In the US, Lacrosse is primarily a College Field game and of little interest to most Canadians.
Railbird
Certifiably Crazy
posted December 24, 2003 06:49 PM
btw,
Why is there 23 Russians and only 6 americans in the top 100 wta?
Posts: 2572 | Registered: May 11, 2003
Maybe because the Russians have better drugs? I mean, you are the one saying steroids are rampant in tennis, aren't you? Makes sense that better steroids would lead to better tennis players.
Certifiably Crazy
posted December 24, 2003 06:49 PM
btw,
Why is there 23 Russians and only 6 americans in the top 100 wta?
Posts: 2572 | Registered: May 11, 2003
Maybe because the Russians have better drugs? I mean, you are the one saying steroids are rampant in tennis, aren't you? Makes sense that better steroids would lead to better tennis players.
Truth Emminates, I stand corrected, I will agree that blacks do have some advantage. But when I said what I did, about spending so much time on specific sports at a young age, I still defend that theory as having very, very much to do with the success. As I said above, I agree blacks are bit more athletic, but don't you think what I've said above has anything to do with it, spending years and years of the same pattern, giving an advantage throughout the years. Here's another example, and this one has to do with Hispanics. Years and years ago, we used to see many Hispanics on the court playing, or trying
to play basketball, on the court. When we would come up, they would simply leave or walk off the court. Could hardly ever get them to play if we needed just one guy to complete full court teams. Reason being.......They stunk....couldnt dribble, shoot or shoot properly (2 handed over the head) rebound.......anything! But now.............I tell you, after years gone by, I have seen them, and played with them, and they have improved dramatically. It didn't just "happen"........It took time, years more like it. This goes for other sports also, not just basketball and football. As I said in an earlier post, it's difficult to explain unless you've experienced it, But I've seen so much in sports/races through my youth and lifetime, I suppose I can just say I should be glad to have learned so much.....
Hache, I agree that practice can lead to miraculous improvement. My point was that genetic disadvantages can PREVENT even the most dedicated Asian players from reaching the highest level in basketball.
In a sport like golf where speed and vertical jump are zero factor, there hasn't been a Black person qualify for the PGA Tour since...I'm not sure, maybe Jim Dent or Lee Elder.
*note: As Tiger Woods has repeated many times he is Afro-Asian.
In a sport like golf where speed and vertical jump are zero factor, there hasn't been a Black person qualify for the PGA Tour since...I'm not sure, maybe Jim Dent or Lee Elder.
*note: As Tiger Woods has repeated many times he is Afro-Asian.
It seems everyone in this thread says something, then feels the need to immediately defend it as not being racist. I think most of these threads should not be considered racist and is just open debate. Its a shame that people have to bend over backwards to sound politically correct when they arent the slightest bit racist in the first place.
This man I was told by my father, was the best of all time. They made this statue to honor him. I remember as a young boy I had the opportunity to catch one of his games. It was late in his career but the man took the ball and was running around the field and making everyone look so foolish trying to catch him. He seemed verry nice and back then the camera would domny more close ups than you see today.You would see this guy having alot of fun with his teammates. Now thats a good player.
