Will we ever see another great 'white' halfback?

[JohnnyDetroit+]

Hitman,

Your question is flawed. What makes an athlete? In some countries swimming is the most popular sport. Some wrestling. In others hockey. Mainly dominated by whites as are the majority of sports outside of the American favorites. Soccer is hands down the most popular sport in the world and the Europeans dominant. Powerlifting is dominated by white athletes. Picking some sports out of the vast list out there is silly.

There have been studies done to show why certain ethnic group excel in sports and everyone has a niche per se. Areas of Western Africa produce better distance runners. Areas of Europe are prone to produce power lifters. Check back on your basketball example in a few years as Europeans are catching up. Look over boxing in the same time frame.

[This message was edited by Johnny Detroit on December 23, 2003 at 11:50 PM.]

 

[DarrylParsons]

[This message was edited by Darryl Parsons on December 23, 2003 at 11:08 PM.]

 

[areeff]

Many PEOPLE will grow up in lower income families (just a reality not saying it's a negative thing) and one of their only outs to a normal life is to bust their ass and try to make a sports career or its back to low class life for them. Most of the middle class PEOPLE sort of lollygag in sporting desires knowing that they probably wont' make it but they'll fall back on their wit or their college education and live the simple middle life. While many PEOPLE are hitting the books alot of those same PEOPLE are hitting the courts. I see the same guys at neighborhood courts day in and day out. You're going to be pretty good when you play ALL the time. Fact is if this guy doesn't play something for a living he's asking if i would like fries with that. This would also make him heavily ambitious. Like running from a ghost would make you run faster.

But on the other hand i'm sure that PEOPLE that had to endure 400 years of slavery and 4000 years of hardened life would have evolved genetically in the process creating a stronger more adapted man. That part is all speculation however.

Johnny makes great points about how races eventually take over from another. I believe it was the Jews who excelled at baseball in the 19th and early 20th century only to pass the torch on. Wait till it's all eskimos in the NFL before our next ice age

 

[sherman]

Ever been to a youth (5-6-7 year olds) soccer or basketball game. The color of your skin in NO WAY dictates how good you are...

...so I believe blacks being better born athletes is a lie.

 

[soccerbob]

In answer to journey's question. Probably not. There are two main reasons why white athletes and black athletes are very different.

First and most importantly, black athletes have the thing that matters most in sports today and that's speed. You can't teach that. You have it or you don't. Their tendons in their legs are different than white peoples and that makes a huge difference. It all starts with the legs. You can teach a guy to set a pick, shoot a jump shot, run a pass pattern and other funamental facets of sports but you can't teach pure speed.

The NBA is a speed and finesse game. Enough said there. White guys can be linemen, linebackers, tight ends and QB's and perform at a very high level because speed while still needed is less important at those positions than running backs, wide receivers or defensive backs where a white guy simply doesn't have the speed and moves to compete at those positions. White baseball players can compete with blacks in baseball on a more even basis because except for stealing bases and taking an extra base here and there, speed in baseball is less needed than in the past because baseball has become an era of the three run homer because of the juiced ball, small ballparks and lousy pitching.

The second reason is the socio-economic make up of our country. The area of the country that a potential athlete grows up in often determines what sport or sports he plays and becomes proficient in. The NHL is a good example of this. If you look down the roster of the clubs in the NHL, you will see the overwhelming majority of players are from Canada, Europe or the northeast.

Physically, white and black guys are not created equally. It's thats simple. Regardless of race, a potential big league athlete still has to work very hard to get to the highest level of whatever given sport they decide to compete in. Hard work, dedication, discipline and desire are all needed but like I said, you can't teach speed.

 

[MudSlideSlim]

biggest advantage a white ath has over a black ath is he is superior in his analytical thinking. males in general are more analytical than females. "white" males are the most analytical in the human species. i'm sure some will call this racist but check the studies

[This message was edited by Mud Slide Slim on December 24, 2003 at 12:57 AM.]

 

[MudSlideSlim]

almost forgot. to answer journeyman's question. no, soccerbob is right

 

[NoTax]

Why was I born in this world?

God can I pick next time?

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

Gentlemens

 

[TheFunkMonkey]

Alstott is a good player, but he certainly doesn't answer the question (halfback) of this thread.

Alstott has been to several Pro Bowls as a *FULLBACK*. If he had to "campaign" against all the RBs in the NFC, there is no way he'd make the Pro Bowl.

 

[sds]

Damn Funny thread!!!!!! I love watchng people actually try to quantify this intangible. There is a "leaning" towards "running sports are black dominated" due to the references to football & basketball..........what about Lacrosse and soccer ? Out goes that theory as both are running games. Hockey is a game that requires great skating skills and stamina - where does this black / white issue come in ? Do socioeconomic situations come into play in certain regions? Naturally. Underpriveledged kids , whether in Harlem or the Dominican Republic, are not going to be able to afford expensive sports. So they grab one basketball or one bat and a ball between them all and play a game. From there it develops. Up here in Ontario, there is very little development of young athletes in Football. Baseball is better. Soccer is coming along and Hockey is king.
I have seen outstanding players from ALL races in each sport. Granted, some races seem to excel in different areas of the game ;however, each deserves credit for their abilities.
Trying to compare this seriously is like trying to compare Rocket Richard against Gretzky. Two different eras, two very different games and two peole with a tremendously different path to the big leagues (different training, different equipment etc etc etc )
Best thing to do is let these discussions go. In the end it only causes the race card to come up somewhere and bad feelings.
cheers

sds

 

[HacheMan]

As close as your gonna get........Man if he doesn't come back I'm gonna miss him just plowing over people, carrying 2~3 for a ride, or even juking someone, making them look ridiculous what a big man just did to them.....

 

[~Falco~]

Hitman my question to you: Don't want to complicate things but where does Michael Jackson fit into all this?? Is he white or is he black? Is he male or female? Is he Gay or does he just like little boys but also likes adult females. If he's black why are his kids totally white skinned and blue eyed. Does Michael look better with curly hair or that mini bob thing he has going on. Is he a good kisser? Where is his other glove? Hint: Turn around and look at your ass.

Am asking you cause you people from "Montgomery" have all the answers when it comes to sex and race. Heehee.

Hitman from Montgomery, says it all.

 

[NickDouglas]

TABOO: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sport and Why We Are Afraid to Talk About It by Jon Entine is the best book I've read on the subject. Always keep in mind that there is a huge difference in historical sporting performance between blacks with genetic roots to West Africa and blacks with genetic roots to East Africa.

Also, I think a lot of ostensibly stupid statements would have their polarizing effect tempered a bit if people would just append "on average" to statements like, "black athletes are better than white athletes".

 

[lander]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sds:
Damn Funny thread!!!!!! I love watchng people actually try to quantify this intangible. There is a "leaning" towards "running sports are black dominated" due to the references to football & basketball..........what about Lacrosse and soccer ? Out goes that theory as both are running games. Hockey is a game that requires great skating skills and stamina - where does this black / white issue come in ? Do socioeconomic situations come into play in certain regions? Naturally. Underpriveledged kids , whether in Harlem or the Dominican Republic, are not going to be able to afford expensive sports. So they grab one basketball or one bat and a ball between them all and play a game. From there it develops. Up here in Ontario, there is very little development of young athletes in Football. Baseball is better. Soccer is coming along and Hockey is king.
I have seen outstanding players from ALL races in each sport. Granted, some races seem to excel in different areas of the game ;however, each deserves credit for their abilities.
Trying to compare this seriously is like trying to compare Rocket Richard against Gretzky. Two different eras, two very different games and two peole with a tremendously different path to the big leagues (different training, different equipment etc etc etc )
Best thing to do is let these discussions go. In the end it only causes the race card to come up somewhere and bad feelings.
cheers

sds<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SDS,
I have to disagree for many reasons.
Hockey is, well, an expensive sport. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but studies show that there is indeed an income gap amongst the races. On top of that arguably the league's best played is black - Jerome Iginla.

Lacrosse isn't what I would dub as a major sport. In fact the best lacrosse players I've ever seen have been guys playing on Indian Reservations. Unbelieve talent, but the have a situtation where social/cultural/economic factors offer little incentative for them to leave the reservation and play college lacrosse. A few do, others skip right to the pros, but most just play indoor box games on the reservations and leave it at that.

Soccer - I think Nigeria will be the best team in the world once their training and coaching assets come on par with the great European teams.

JMHO, but I don't think us whiteys hold a candle in terms of athletics.

 

[HacheMan]

One of the answers to Hitman's quetion about this subject ......Blacks are "better" athletes because they spend much more time at specific sports, beginning at a young age, than other races. I know this to be a fact, because I grew up close to a predominately black neighborhood, in a very small town. Practically all of my friends growing up from around the age 6 to 17 were all black. It's simple, if kids aren't/weren't in school, you would see them on the courts, at all ages, or in the field next to the court we played on, playing football. I firmly believe in this, and even more proof to myself in believing this is because I am a much better athlete than the majority of white males because of this. No, I'm not trying to talk highly of myself, but it is fact. It's really difficult to explain unless you've been there.

 

[Hitman26]

To everyone who replied:


Thanks for the responses. I think it's a very interesting subject. I don't know why people are afraid to talk about this kind of thing. I think everyone brought up some good points. After reading everyone responses I think the questions that I asked were rather flawed. It could have been asked in a better way. I'm sorry that the question came off as racist because I didn't intend it to.


Falco:

Michael Jackson was born black. He is a sick man who needs help and I hope he gets it. Yes I'm from Montgomery Alabama and I'm proud of it. I'm also an American which means I'm entitled to ask my questions and express my opinions. If it makes you feel better about yourself to attack others and judge people from your high horse go right ahead (that's your right too). No "we people from Montgomery" don't have all of the answers about race and sex. So thanks for your comments and insults.



Hitman

 

[WINNINGHAND]

Blacks are better athletes. When you consider the ratio of blacks to whites and then look at how many whites are on a professional team, (barring hockey), it doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude that whites are behind the 8 ball. Will there be a top white running back again? Probably, but they will be few and far between. Merry x mas.

 

[Teddykgb]

when someone says "blacks are better in sports just look at the ratio" he's just telling the truth BUT when someone says "whites are smarter than blacks just look at the type of jobs they hold" then he's a raciest. guilty white folks want their cake and eat it too.

 

[lander]

Teddy's got a good point (for once).

Just another example of reverse-racism