Will Rives ever grow up?

[sds23]

A comparison of Rivers to Brees is utterly ridiculous. Not only does Brees beat Rivers in stats, but Brees has done much more with much less.

Yards Per Game
#2 Brees........276.4
#21 Rivers......197.0

Total Passing Yards
#2 Brees........4,423
#15 Rivers......3,152

Completion Percentage
#3 Brees........67.5%
#23 Rivers......60.2%

Quarterback Rating
#11 Brees.......89.4
#18 Rivers......82.4

Touchdowns
#6 Brees........28
#12 Rivers......21


When averaging all of the above categories, Brees is ranked (on average) as #4.8 across the board. In comparison, Rivers is ranked (on average) as #17.8 across the board.

And someone mentioned something about Rivers looking really good in the 2006 Divisional playoff game versus the Patriots??

Rivers was 14 of 32 (that's a completion rate of 44% by the way) for 230 yards, 0 touchdowns and one INT.

I am definitely not a Charger hater. To the contrary LT is my favorite RB and I've been rooting for them and anxiously awaiting them to take the next step for a few years now.

Rivers' win/loss record is more the product of the team around him than it is of his own efforts.

Is he a bad QB? No. Absolutely not. Is he a great QB. No. Absolutely not. He is a very average QB right now. He's still young and can get better. But let's be realistic about what he really is statistically and how he compares to Brees as a QB.

 

[SureGuy]

much less ??? i agree with you that he is young and needs some work , but one team has the best running back in the league and the this year and last years rushing leader. And the other team pass' out of the back field on their running plays, those numbers are a joke to be comparing all things factored.


brees went 9-7 with same guys as rivers did 14-2

 

[sds23]

PS ~

I am not trying to piss Charger fans off with that last post. I honestly love the Chargers and openly root for them. I wish Rivers the best and root for him also. I have to.....he's part of the package. But statistically, the opinions being expressed about him on this thread seemed out of whack.

 

[CrimeTime]

A comparison of Rivers to Brees is utterly ridiculous. Not only does Brees beat Rivers in stats, but Brees has done much more with much less.

Yards Per Game
#2 Brees........276.4
#21 Rivers......197.0

Total Passing Yards
#2 Brees........4,423
#15 Rivers......3,152

Completion Percentage
#3 Brees........67.5%
#23 Rivers......60.2%

Quarterback Rating
#11 Brees.......89.4
#18 Rivers......82.4

Touchdowns
#6 Brees........28
#12 Rivers......21


When averaging all of the above categories, Brees is ranked (on average) as #4.8 across the board. In comparison, Rivers is ranked (on average) as #17.8 across the board.

And someone mentioned something about Rivers looking really good in the 2006 Divisional playoff game versus the Patriots??

Rivers was 14 of 32 (that's a completion rate of 44% by the way) for 230 yards, 0 touchdowns and one INT.

I am definitely not a Charger hater. To the contrary LT is my favorite RB and I've been rooting for them and anxiously awaiting them to take the next step for a few years now.

Rivers' win/loss record is more the product of the team around him than it is of his own efforts.

Is he a bad QB? No. Absolutely not. Is he a great QB. No. Absolutely not. He is a very average QB right now. He's still young and can get better. But let's be realistic about what he really is statistically and how he compares to Brees as a QB.

1. Rivers plays in a tougher conference. He has a better defense so he doesnt get to face prevent D's when his team is down by 3 tds.

2. Rivers played great in that playoff game, his numbers dont show it but there were about 8 dropped passes in that game and he lead the team in to fg range with a chance to tie

3. He played that playoff game severely injured

 

[TheWolf]

He isnt very smart is he?

Just saw him speak on ESPN again & I am now convinced he isn't very intelligent.

 

[sds23]

much less ??? i agree with you that he is young, but one team has the best running back in the league and the this year and last years rushing leader. And the other team pass' out of the back field on their running plays, those numbers are a joke to be comparing all things factored.


brees went 9-7 with same guys as rivers did 14-2

I agree with one thing you mentioned 100% and disagree with the other thing 100%.

Yes....the Saints are pass first and the Chargers are run first. You are correct to state that and to attribute that difference to some of the season statistical categories. This will affect the number of attempts, which could affect the total passing yards....but it is up to the completion percentage of the QB to determine how much or how little he can do with the number of pass attempts he receives.

But no.....the "Brees went 9~7 with the same guys as Rivers did 14~2" comment does not fly. As stated before, the emergence and success of the Chargers has much, much more to do with the talent of the team around Rivers than it has to do with his quarterbacking or leadership abilities.

The Chargers simply hit their stride and went 14~2. Rivers was not bad enough to derail them and he was not good enough to get them any further. This season's stats suggest that Rivers is an average QB.

To suggest that a better QB like Brees would not or could not have achieved 14~2 (or better) is a stretch for any imagination.

 

[SureGuy]

He isnt very smart is he?

Just saw him speak on ESPN again & I am now convinced he isn't very intelligent.

does he smell too?



:missingte

 

[sds23]

Again....I did not mean to ruffle feathers. I just saw a lot of requests for "stats" and not "opinions" so I tried to fill in the gap.

I have nothing personal invested in this debate over Rivers. I have said my peace.

 

[SureGuy]

Again....I did not mean to ruffle feathers. I just saw a lot of requests for "stats" and not "opinions" so I tried to fill in the gap.

I have nothing personal invested in this debate over Rivers. I have said my peace.

lol we know

its all good

 

[CrimeTime]

I agree with one thing you mentioned 100% and disagree with the other thing 100%.

Yes....the Saints are pass first and the Chargers are run first. You are correct to state that and to attribute that difference to some of the season statistical categories. This will affect the number of attempts, which could affect the total passing yards....but it is up to the completion percentage of the QB to determine how much or how little he can do with the number of pass attempts he receives.

But no.....the "Brees went 9~7 with the same guys as Rivers did 14~2" comment does not fly. As stated before, the emergence and success of the Chargers has much, much more to do with the talent of the team around Rivers than it has to do with his quarterbacking or leadership abilities.

The Chargers simply hit their stride and went 14~2. Rivers was not bad enough to derail them and he was not good enough to get them any further. This season's stats suggest that Rivers is an average QB.

To suggest that a better QB like Brees would not or could not have achieved 14~2 (or better) is a stretch for any imagination.

yes brees did ONLY go 9-7 with the same guys...in fact he lost the game at denver cuz he threw a pick 6 on the first drive of the 3rd quarter. he even went on to choke against the chiefs in the game we had to have...they let down vs miami...the list goes on. he was not as great as everyone makes him out to be. Rivers lead teh team in 3 comebacks last year...two times down by multiple tds on the road in back to back weeks...something brees NEVER did. So i dont know how u can say those were cuz of the team when he was throwing every pass and brought the team back. I dont remember brees EVER doing that here as a qb

 

[sds23]

lol we know

its all good

Thanks SG

BOL this weekend!

 

[SureGuy]

im still laughing that whormaon is comparing Rivers in his 2nd year starting to Brady and Manning.

obv Rivers never hada a chance with you whormaon

 

[CrimeTime]

He isnt very smart is he?

Just saw him speak on ESPN again & I am now convinced he isn't very intelligent.

actually he's a very smart guy. son of a coach...starter all 4 years at nc state, mvp of every bowl he ever played in. AJ Smith doesnt draft dumb guys

 

[sds23]

yes brees did ONLY go 9-7 with the same guys...in fact he lost the game at denver cuz he threw a pick 6 on the first drive of the 3rd quarter. he even went on to choke against the chiefs in the game we had to have...they let down vs miami...the list goes on. he was not as great as everyone makes him out to be. Rivers lead teh team in 3 comebacks last year...two times down by multiple tds on the road in back to back weeks...something brees NEVER did. So i dont know how u can say those were cuz of the team when he was throwing every pass and brought the team back. I dont remember brees EVER doing that here as a qb

This is what I was trying to avoid in this thread. After I posted those stats it dawned upon me that I probably had just jumped into a topic that would get heated up amongst Rivers supporters.

And I really don't care enough about this topic to take the time to debate it any further. But if I were so inclined, if I did have the time to debate this further, I certainly would not be able to debate with you about "what you remember".

You see....your memories are not subject to debate. Stats are. Your memories, however, are not.

If I cared more about this topic I'd go look for stats to dispute anything you want to debate. But man.....that would take a long time.....and I just don't care enough about this to take the time.

Here are my final thoughts about this:

I loved Rivers in college and thought he'd tear it up in San Diego. He has not. The stats don't lie. Brees is the better passer plain and simple. New Orleans has had every reason in the world to feature a run-first attack with McAllister and Bush in the same back field. But it is the ability of Brees that has allowed the Saints to become a pass-first team with second rate wide receivers. Brees created his own opportunities and was good enough to take advantage of those opportunities.

Rivers has not created those same opportunities for himself. And to date Rivers has not inspired that same kind of confidence in his coaches or teammates through his on field abilities as Brees has. And it is in that regard that the stats do not lie.

Peace

 

[CrimeTime]

This is what I was trying to avoid in this thread. After I posted those stats it dawned upon me that I probably had just jumped into a topic that would get heated up amongst Rivers supporters.

And I really don't care enough about this topic to take the time to debate it any further. But if I were so inclined, if I did have the time to debate this further, I certainly would not be able to debate with you about "what you remember".

You see....your memories are not subject to debate. Stats are. Your memories, however, are not.

If I cared more about this topic I'd go look for stats to dispute anything you want to debate. But man.....that would take a long time.....and I just don't care enough about this to take the time.

Here are my final thoughts about this:

I loved Rivers in college and thought he'd tear it up in San Diego. He has not. The stats don't lie. Brees is the better passer plain and simple. New Orleans has had every reason in the world to feature a run-first attack with McAllister and Bush in the same back field. But it is the ability of Brees that has allowed the Saints to become a pass-first team with second rate wide receivers. Brees created his own opportunities and was good enough to take advantage of those opportunities.

Rivers has not created those same opportunities for himself. And to date Rivers has not inspired that same kind of confidence in his coaches or teammates through his on field abilities as Brees has. And it is in that regard that the stats do not lie.

Peace

after 32 starts in the league...brees was a mental midget compared to Rivers. People seem to forget he just finished his 2nd season as a starter...Brees is done with his 5th. Case closed. I've seen both of these guys and at this point in each of their careers its not even close the difference between them after 32 games

 

[sds23]

after 32 starts in the league...brees was a mental midget compared to Rivers. People seem to forget he just finished his 2nd season as a starter...Brees is done with his 5th. Case closed. I've seen both of these guys and at this point in each of their careers its not even close the difference between them after 32 games

Here's something we can agree upon.....River's still has a few seasons to go before really solid judgements about this productivity and statistics can be made.

I did not ever say that Rivers would never be a good or even great QB in the NFL. In fact, to the contrary, I think he has shown moments of brilliance and some coaches say they see a chance for great things in the future. But Rivers has a lot of growing up to do yet and hopefully he will mature into the vision of what his college career suggested he might become.

There's nothing wrong with being opptimistic about his future as long as you can be realistic about where he is truly at in his career right now.

 

[gynecologist]

Rivers stepped up today.. He went up a notch after today.

 

[SureGuy]

Rivers stepped up today.. He went up a notch after today.

managed the game aswell as anyone could have today. :toast: