Why would the average citizen need to own an AR-15?

Search

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2012
Messages
3,214
Tokens
This isn't the answer. Chicago has the most strict gun laws and look at the murder count there.[/QUOTE

comparing anything to what is going on in chicago is difficult. the murder and violence in chicago needs to be looked at in its own light. your right it shows a bad example of how gun restrictions dont matter but i dont think chicago provides a good example of the rest of the country at all. what would your solution be then to stop this from happening again? thats how we need to approach this because thats what everyone wants. arming teachers? they cant write off the pencils they buy for their classroom anymore but now you want them to either purchase or be given a gun...if we leave it to hope and prayers or try to address it as just a mental issue then we face more of these situations. its unfortunate but reality. school shootings will not stop unless we actually do something and to this point gun owners arent helping provide a fast resolution to the problem in my opinion. its time for a legitimate conversation on Washington for a plan of action to stop this, seriously. this isnt about peoples guns this is about the safety of kids. if it has to be extreme then it has to be.
 

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2012
Messages
3,214
Tokens
So those that are opposed to ARs......if they were outlawed it would have kept this from happening?

no, not prevented it from happening but maybe not as severe. maybe. idk but trying to wrap my head around it and be proactive as opposed to sitting around and having this discussion again in a few weeks. we all want the same thing but how we get there is debatable. so how do you suggest we stop it in the future?
 

Member
Joined
May 27, 2007
Messages
39,464
Tokens
This isn't the answer. Chicago has the most strict gun laws and look at the murder count there.[/QUOTE

comparing anything to what is going on in chicago is difficult. the murder and violence in chicago needs to be looked at in its own light. your right it shows a bad example of how gun restrictions dont matter but i dont think chicago provides a good example of the rest of the country at all. what would your solution be then to stop this from happening again? thats how we need to approach this because thats what everyone wants. arming teachers? they cant write off the pencils they buy for their classroom anymore but now you want them to either purchase or be given a gun...if we leave it to hope and prayers or try to address it as just a mental issue then we face more of these situations. its unfortunate but reality. school shootings will not stop unless we actually do something and to this point gun owners arent helping provide a fast resolution to the problem in my opinion. its time for a legitimate conversation on Washington for a plan of action to stop this, seriously. this isnt about peoples guns this is about the safety of kids. if it has to be extreme then it has to be.

Arming more people is just putting a bandage on the issue.

Family, mental illness, gun safety, respect for authority, video games all play a role. This isn't an easy topic to tackle.
 

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2012
Messages
3,214
Tokens
Arming more people is just putting a bandage on the issue.

Family, mental illness, gun safety, respect for authority, video games all play a role. This isn't an easy topic to tackle.

i tell ya man watching the names of the kids and teachers that were killed makes me sick to my stomach. i remember Columbine and people blamed Marilyn Manson and the music at the time. this issue requires some serious discussions in washington, which based on the lack of respect there you can rest assured that wont happen.
 

Member
Joined
May 27, 2007
Messages
39,464
Tokens
i tell ya man watching the names of the kids and teachers that were killed makes me sick to my stomach. i remember Columbine and people blamed Marilyn Manson and the music at the time. this issue requires some serious discussions in washington, which based on the lack of respect there you can rest assured that wont happen.

My moment was Sandy Hook and we didn't do anything then so why would things change now? If a guy can kill 20+ 1st graders and nothing changes, nothing will ever change.
 

Home of the Cincinnati Criminals.
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
19,569
Tokens
My moment was Sandy Hook and we didn't do anything then so why would things change now? If a guy can kill 20+ 1st graders and nothing changes, nothing will ever change.

So, what needs to change? Any psycho can get a gun and shoot a place up.

There is no stopping this. You can't put military in schools, there are already police in some.

When someone doesn't value their own life in the process of killing others, you can't stop that, sorry.

Focus in mental health, this world we are in is fucked, and it's not going to get any better.
 

Member
Joined
May 27, 2007
Messages
39,464
Tokens
So, what needs to change? Any psycho can get a gun and shoot a place up.

There is no stopping this. You can't put military in schools, there are already police in some.

When someone doesn't value their own life in the process of killing others, you can't stop that, sorry.

Focus in mental health, this world we are in is fucked, and it's not going to get any better.

This is part of the issue. I propose any person found with an illegally obtained firearm gets an automatic 10 years with no chance of parole. Start there.
 
Joined
Feb 6, 2007
Messages
28,144
Tokens
Hard drugs are illegal and people can still get them so that means they will still get Ar-15s even if banned? Worst analogy again.

People need drugs because they are addicted. To compare drugs and Ar-15s is comical. Nobody is getting sick from not shooting an Ar-15 today. That is why people still get drugs even when they are illegial. But getting Ar-15s when they are banned....and to say school massacres will still happen as consistent, using an Ar-15....you're a fool
 
Joined
Feb 6, 2007
Messages
28,144
Tokens
No disrespect taken. The issue I have is that at close range, an AR-15 isn't more deadly than a handgun, and handguns are much easier to conceal. Most mass shootings are due to handguns, and that's one of the main reasons. Most of the mass shootings involving AR-15s also involve the element of surprise, like walking into church, sneaking in the back door of a movie theatre, having a sniper's nest set up in a hotel room to fire at a densely packed crowd, driving up to the entrance of a school, walking into a class room and opening fire. Banning AR-15s wont stop the problem, people will just use handguns.

Why hasn't there been an effort to beef up security at schools after years of mass school shootings?

"Banning Ar-15s won't stop the problem, people will just use handguns."


First off yes they are the problem. Second off, good. Use handguns. I bet you 3-4 people die before dude is tackled to the ground and beaten by fists to the death. So I am sure millions of Americans would take that compared to more massacres. So how does that not help the problem tremendously?

Next....Ar-15s the only reason they aren't banned is because they are considered "sporting" goods.

Mix guns with sports and you can't lose. Make it a competitive thing in this country and it will always be around.
 

Conservatives, Patriots & Huskies return to glory
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Messages
86,572
Tokens
When there's an accident involving an automobile, is it the person or the car that's responsible for the accident?

Inanimate objects are not evil, they have no consciousness, they have no thoughts, they have no motives, but people possess all of those traits

Punishing scores of millions of law abiding citizens is not the solution

You want a perfect world? free of wars and senseless killing? Then we need to eradicate mankind. I would start with the middle east and the South Side of Chicago

 
Joined
Feb 6, 2007
Messages
28,144
Tokens
When there's an accident involving an automobile, is it the person or the car that's responsible for the accident?

Inanimate objects are not evil, they have no consciousness, they have no thoughts, they have no motives, but people possess all of those traits

Punishing scores of millions of law abiding citizens is not the solution

You want a perfect world? free of wars and senseless killing? Then we need to eradicate mankind. I would start with the middle east and the South Side of Chicago



You can use common sense it won't hurt bro.

Unintentional vs intentional.

Cars usually kill people unintentionally. AR-15s kill intentionally.
 

Conservatives, Patriots & Huskies return to glory
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Messages
86,572
Tokens
You can use common sense it won't hurt bro.

Unintentional vs intentional.

Cars usually kill people unintentionally. AR-15s kill intentionally.

it's always the person's fault, not the inanimate object, that's common sense

PS: there are many people killed intentionally with vehicles, I'm sure you've heard about them too
 

Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2010
Messages
9,660
Tokens
"Banning Ar-15s won't stop the problem, people will just use handguns."


First off yes they are the problem. Second off, good. Use handguns. I bet you 3-4 people die before dude is tackled to the ground and beaten by fists to the death. So I am sure millions of Americans would take that compared to more massacres. So how does that not help the problem tremendously?

Next....Ar-15s the only reason they aren't banned is because they are considered "sporting" goods.

Mix guns with sports and you can't lose. Make it a competitive thing in this country and it will always be around.

Didn't the VT shooter, which was the worst ever use handguns? It seemed I read that....maybe not.
 

Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2005
Messages
2,747
Tokens
I have a revolver with 5 .410 defense loads in it and a 9mm with a 10 shot clip sitting next to it in my drawer next to my bed.....one for each hand. My AR sits in my safe just because if my wife is alone she can shoot either of the pistols easier. In one way I almost wish they would ban AR's just to shut up the liberal faction with their heads up their ass. 5 years from now there would be just as many if not more school shootings if nothing else is done. Then what would they say. When I was in high school we had loaded shotguns laying in our backseat during hunting season and if our principal came out and saw them he would ask what model was it and what load we had in. I don't ever remember hearing of school shootings in the 70s of course we didn't have the fucked up media sensationalizing everything back then either.
 

Member
Joined
Jul 4, 2012
Messages
22,781
Tokens
\


First off yes they are the problem. Second off, good. Use handguns. I bet you 3-4 people die before dude is tackled to the ground and beaten by fists to the death. So I am sure millions of Americans would take that compared to more massacres.

You seem blissfully unaware that the VT shooter used handguns and killed 32 people.

Do you even watch the news bro?
 
Joined
Feb 6, 2007
Messages
28,144
Tokens
Didn't the VT shooter, which was the worst ever use handguns? It seemed I read that....maybe not.

You seem blissfully unaware that the VT shooter used handguns and killed 32 people.

Do you even watch the news bro?

Youre right but mentally ill people shouldn't be able to buy any guns and that's what happened there. He was a known mentally ill person still buying guns.

Two handguns with nineteen 10-15 round mags.

But that was one of the first times shit ever went down at a school since columbine. And the dude was walking around in the school peaking Into clases who had the most kids so obviously he is going to kill a lot of people when you do that. First time it was at a college I believe and the classes were in the same vicinity. If he had an AR-15 might be 100+ dead.
 

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
19,325
Tokens
You seem blissfully unaware that the VT shooter used handguns and killed 32 people.

Do you even watch the news bro?

he's unaware on all topics except dope maybe that's just a coincidence
 

RX resident ChicAustrian
Joined
Aug 8, 2005
Messages
3,955
Tokens
"Banning Ar-15s won't stop the problem, people will just use handguns."


First off yes they are the problem. Second off, good. Use handguns. I bet you 3-4 people die before dude is tackled to the ground and beaten by fists to the death. So I am sure millions of Americans would take that compared to more massacres. So how does that not help the problem tremendously?

Next....Ar-15s the only reason they aren't banned is because they are considered "sporting" goods.

Mix guns with sports and you can't lose. Make it a competitive thing in this country and it will always be around.
You'd lose that bet. Statistically, handguns are more likely to be used in a mass shooting than a rifle. Off the top of my head, the Giffords shooting and Charleston Church shooting used handguns. It's not like if you're shot with an AR at close range you're dead, but if you're shot with a .45 at close range you rub some dirt on it and walk it off. If the shooting is taking place at close range, a handgun will kill just as many as a rifle.
 
Joined
Feb 6, 2007
Messages
28,144
Tokens
I'm not opposed to banning all guns. I'd rather fight with my hands than with guns. That's just me.

Hand guns, just use two and it's pretty deadly too. But I think v tech was a rare case of one person executing his plan very well. That dude had to of been trained. Grandfather was in ww2 or something. And it lasted over 3hours from when he first attacked. 3hour killing spree. Authorities failed.

The angry kid who wants to shoot up everybody all at one time is going for that Ar-15 though.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,116,729
Messages
13,536,459
Members
100,389
Latest member
sneakerselisabetta
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com