This Webster's Dictionary definition of "torment" includes the meaning of "torture":
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torment
So does the Greek word in the Bible include "torture" as a meaning:
https://biblehub.com/greek/931.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/928.htm
"Eternal torment makes God out to be a psychotic monster, and annihilation means that He just gave up.
Only universal reconciliation is consistent with the over-arching theme of scripture. Only universal reconciliation is consistent with the notion that God is love. Only universal reconciliation shows that the passion of Christ was truly victorious and that sin and death will truly be destroyed."
Only universal reconciliation is consistent with the over-arching theme of scripture. Only universal reconciliation is consistent with the notion that God is love. Only universal reconciliation shows that the passion of Christ was truly victorious and that sin and death will truly be destroyed."
That site quotes a deceitful misleading translation of Matthew 25:46. Better translations of the verse are harmonious with universal salvation & do not support the false doctrine of endless punishment:
https://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html
The Bible does Not say torture - hell is a place of torment separated from the One who made us all - God will ratify mans choices - God does Not send people thier - people send themselves - they choose that - as Paul states we all have the Light of creation around us n the Light of conscious within us - so man has no excuse!
The Bible, or Christian Scriptures were not written in English, so of course it doesn't use any English words like "torture". Many Bible translations, though, use the word "torment" which includes in its definitions the meaning of "torture":
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torment
Furthermore the Greek words often translated "torment" also includes in its definitions the meaning of "torture""
https://biblehub.com/greek/931.htm
https://biblehub.com/greek/928.htm
Also many Bible versions use the word "tortured" or "torturers" here:
Mt.18:34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be TORTURED, until he should pay back all he owed.
Mt.18:35 "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart." (NIV)
https://biblehub.com/matthew/18-34.htm
Likewise:
Rev.20:10b and day and night they will suffer TORTURE until the Ages of the Ages. (WEY)
https://biblehub.com/revelation/20-10.htm
Note: the above translation does not say they will suffer "forever and ever" but only "until" a certain time.
The same Greek word translated "torture" above is used of a woman during child birth crying out in pain (Rev.12:10) and of demons who torment/torture people for 5 months with the tortures being as the sting of a scorpion (Rev. 9).
"5They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them." (Rev.9:5, NIV)
Since God is Omnipresent, no one is ever "separated" from Him.
Psa.139::7Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?8If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Even Satan was in God's presence as the evil being that he is.
Yes, but God's love does not expire like a carton of milk. He doesn't abandon anyone forever & give up on them for eternity.
Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases, his mercies never come to an end. . . .
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the sons of men.…
People don't jump into hell, but are cast there:
"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:15).
No one says "I want to be tortured in hell for eternity" or "I choose to be tortured in hell forever".
If eternal tortures in hell were real & not the fiction that it is, then God would be responsible for keeping people there for eternity. It would be His fault. So He would be a sicko sadistic monster infinitely worse than Hitler, Stalin & Trump combined. Because He had the power to annihilate them out of their misery, or to send them to a more pleasant place, or to keep trying to save them until they repented & received His salvation.
True.
1Tim.4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11 These things command and teach.
"annihilation and eternal torment are the same spirit"
"both remove the freedom of the soul and thus render it as a non-entity and this is against Gods plan since love requires freedom and freedom implies that change is always possible."
"annihilation and eternal torment are the same spirit"
"both remove the freedom of the soul and thus render it as a non-entity and this is against Gods plan since love requires freedom and freedom implies that change is always possible."
It's the idea that God will cast anyone off forever that the inspired Scriptures, in their original languages (not English), correctly translated & interpreted, do not teach.
Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…
Evidence of universal salvation in the Bible:
https://www.tentmaker.org/articles/universalism-is-not-in-the-bible.htm
Lamentations 3:22 and 3:31-33, The steadfast love of the Lord NEVER ceases, his mercies NEVER come to an end. . . .
Lam.3:31 For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:
32 For if He causes grief, Then He will have compassion According to His abundant lovingkindness. 33 For He does not afflict willingly Or grieve the SONS OF MEN.…
Evidence of universal salvation in the Bible:
https://www.tentmaker.org/articles/universalism-is-not-in-the-bible.htm
I see you do enjoy talking to yourself. Bottomline is we are sinful man/woman. We need forgiveness. We must repent.
hno: it's gonna be real hot where your headed dude
