Mississippi is a damn good team that came within 4 of Alabama on the road and won at Baton Rouge. Cincy is about to win the Big East and be in a BCS game. You're comparing those teams to Stanford, Ariz, Cal, etc.????? Arizona got spanked by New Mexico for Christ's sake and TCU mopped the floor with Stanford. Cal was down 3 Tds to Maryland b4 making it a game. USC should have been whipping these pathetic teams and has NO POSSIBLE excuse for losing to an at the time unranked oregon State.
Again with trying to hold the Pac-10 teams to their worst games. One of your main debating tactics. Funny when it's an SEC team, you talk about how well they lose and how good they are. Mississippi isn't as good as Oregon state. FLorida lost at home, USC on the road to a team that is about to go to a BCS bowl. I would like to see Mississippi, the Bearcats, etc go to PSU and come home with a win.
Just want to add my thoughts.
I think USC is overrated, but only by 2 or 3 spots. Great talent, but bad play calling. Playing up to their talent is part of the game and I don't think they should be judged on their "talent", but on what they have done.
I don't think any non-BCS team should be ranked in front of a one-loss BCS team. I can't give Utah nor Boise St. more points than USC or Penn St. when they play teams like Utah St., San Diego St., and teams like that week in and week out. It's so much easier when you have to only get up for 3 games a year (Utah with Ore. st., TCU, and BYU / Boise St. with Ore. and maybe Fresno St.), than it is to be everybody's superbowl week in and week out playing better teams.
But I do agree Penn St. should be ranked infront of USC and not just because Penn st. beat the team USC lost to. I don't see too much of a difference between the Pac-10 and Big-10. Penn St. was able to dominate their conference, beating the teams they should by a large margin while USC was just getting by teams. It's hard to dominate your (BCS) conference and they were able to week in and week out with no doubt who was the better team. USC won the games, but they just didn't produce the results and just left a feeling (way too many times), if they didn't get a call or two, they would of lost the game. They both lost to very good and motivated teams on the road. I agree USC has more talent, but games are not played on paper and results say Penn St. is better this year.
I think USC is overrated, but only by 2 or 3 spots. Great talent, but bad play calling. Playing up to their talent is part of the game and I don't think they should be judged on their "talent", but on what they have done.
I don't think any non-BCS team should be ranked in front of a one-loss BCS team. I can't give Utah nor Boise St. more points than USC or Penn St. when they play teams like Utah St., San Diego St., and teams like that week in and week out. It's so much easier when you have to only get up for 3 games a year (Utah with Ore. st., TCU, and BYU / Boise St. with Ore. and maybe Fresno St.), than it is to be everybody's superbowl week in and week out playing better teams.
But I do agree Penn St. should be ranked infront of USC and not just because Penn st. beat the team USC lost to. I don't see too much of a difference between the Pac-10 and Big-10. Penn St. was able to dominate their conference, beating the teams they should by a large margin while USC was just getting by teams. It's hard to dominate your (BCS) conference and they were able to week in and week out with no doubt who was the better team. USC won the games, but they just didn't produce the results and just left a feeling (way too many times), if they didn't get a call or two, they would of lost the game. They both lost to very good and motivated teams on the road. I agree USC has more talent, but games are not played on paper and results say Penn St. is better this year.
You just have no clue. Mississippi is unranked. Came within 4? Did they win or lose? How about the fact teams IN CONFERENCE play each other year in and year out and know tendencies, and get up for games against the big guys, (see Miss vs. Florida along with RANKED Oregon St. vs. USC.)
I have no idea why you continue posting, you know nothing about sports.
USC's defense:
1 * Scoring defense national ranking (8.3 ppg)
1 * Pass defense national ranking (162.0 yards per game)
1 * Pass efficiency defense national ranking (84.3)
2 * Total defense national ranking (222.5 ypg)
3 * Shutouts posted
3 * Passing touchdowns allowed
6 * Rushing defense national ranking (90.2)
8 * Opponents held to 100 rushing yards or less
8 * Opponents held to under 250 total yards
8 * Opponents held to 14 points or less
10 * Touchdowns allowed
14 * Drives allowed of 50-plus yards allowed
19 * Points allowed in the second half
28.8 * Third down conversion percentage allowed
1 * Scoring defense national ranking (8.3 ppg)
1 * Pass defense national ranking (162.0 yards per game)
1 * Pass efficiency defense national ranking (84.3)
2 * Total defense national ranking (222.5 ypg)
3 * Shutouts posted
3 * Passing touchdowns allowed
6 * Rushing defense national ranking (90.2)
8 * Opponents held to 100 rushing yards or less
8 * Opponents held to under 250 total yards
8 * Opponents held to 14 points or less
10 * Touchdowns allowed
14 * Drives allowed of 50-plus yards allowed
19 * Points allowed in the second half
28.8 * Third down conversion percentage allowed
If you are so bored, why not explain why?
Show something comparable if this is so common.
My guess is that your yawn is an expression of a weak ego that's been hurt by this because you have nothing else to respond with.
Me: Too bad these statistics don't count in national rankings. They should.
I remember distinctly all you SEC homers bragging about how defense made the SEC so great. Now it's about teams that put up points. How convenient you change your mind about defense when it's not your teams that have it. That's why your opinions can't be relied upon. You are purely self serving fools and it takes a weak Ohio St. team (that can't beat the SEC) in the NC to give you your bragging rights. I suggest you try to lure more coaches from the West like Florida did. Maybe you will improve some day.
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Bored hardly just a competent individual that has all his ducks in a row. Don't conclude that as being cocky (as I have a feeling you will haha) I'm merely confident in my ability to succeed in anything I put my mind to. Your wild assumptions and pinning me with labels while amusing are far from achieving accuracy.
First off until USC's "vaunted" D plays the likes of Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and the Pokes in consecutive weeks we can only judge from what we see on the field against vastly inferior competition. From what I've seen thus far their D-Line once again is somewhat overrated:
example #1: Toby Gerhart 23-101, Tavita Pritchard 4-41, Anthony Kimble 7-38
example #2: Jacquizz Rodgers 37-186
Now let me be the first to say besides maybe Oregon these have been in my opinion the two most consistent rushing offenses in the Pac-10. I actually have played Stanford in 3 occasions this season going 2-1 (Oregon St, AZ, and CAL which was a silly mistake by my part).
The bottom line is that they haven't been exposed to a great level of opposition. I personally think they are at least a handful of teams that will score in the 20's (possibly more) against USC (OKL, TEX, UF to name a few). Do they have talent? Yes given their monopoly how could they not but their not this big juggernaut that you make them out to be either. We can all paint a picture that we would like for everyone to look at but that doesn't me there are some flaws that come with them.
As to your SEC homerism (a word from the urban dictionary) statement I really have nothing to say as I live in Miami and I bet against my alma mater more than anybody (7 times to be exact) on this forum. So the words bias, homerism, really don't apply as you must be mistaking me for someone else.
I would like thank you for your insight this season Conan its been quite helpful (and no I'm not being condescending).
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Here's some more insight...
First off: I'm truly glad you have enough adolescence left to tout yourself VOR. It's refreshing sometimes to see someone older than that hanging onto his self-proclaimed greatness with such a defensive response. Your record is all that's needed to account for who you are and what your relevancy is here... and what you know about the Pac-10 or any other conference.
Second: Aside from the Washington schools, you have no other points to make about who is so weak in this conference for a load of stats like that to be irrelevant. What other team in your (down year) conference comes even close to those numbers? USC's superiority looks even more impressive when you add into consideration most of the SEC OOC games. Surely you are not comparing a BCS conference schedule to all those 1-AA and Sun Belt preseason wins, are you? (boring "yawn") You can throw away 4 wins by Florida for that reason. Now I wonder why they get all the attention when they've played only 2/3 of a season against any kind of BCS competition compared to almost everyone else. That's what you get for getting me to think about it. Strange things start cropping up that I've not heard of before this. Perhaps more voters in the polls will start showing some guts when your SEC champ finally gets a real team to try to beat in the NC.
The BCS is broke.
adolescence, tout, are these the conclusions you draw from a sincere and logical response. Your name calling is a defensive posture that does nothing but transition a discussion into a pissing contest resembling elementary students. I can easily counter this with clever words of my own but I won't stoop to such a level and please your conscious. I simply bring up Stanford and Oregon State as two teams capable of exploiting one of USC's Achilles heels (other being corner IMHO). I gave "your" team some leeway if you didn't notice (probably to busy concluding self-promotion when I post a record) as I had Stanford and Oregon State as two decent (probably an understatement) rushing offenses.
I'm here to discuss what I've seen not if Miami played a high school team or if Florida played an Australian rugby team. In this case we are arguing as to USC dominance on defense. I've already stated what I've seen and don't care to repeat myself. That jury is still out and from what I've seen I believe they could be exposed.
Perception is not reality
VOR
I'm here to discuss what I've seen not if Miami played a high school team or if Florida played an Australian rugby team. In this case we are arguing as to USC dominance on defense. I've already stated what I've seen and don't care to repeat myself. That jury is still out and from what I've seen I believe they could be exposed.
Perception is not reality
VOR
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Whoreman, get your head outta your ass. Penn St. strugged for 50 minutes just to get by Ohio St. And your arugment with or without Beenie Wells is just pathetic. It wouldn'tve made a difference.
But a person like you will beat the Oregon St drum to death when you damn well it was a speed bump. Have USC play Oregon St again at Corvalis and I GUARANTEE the outcome would be different. But a moron like you will always say the likes of Stanford and UCLA will always be better than USC because they happened to catch the Trojans on an off week.
So to answer your question regarding PSU and Utah?
USC -9.5 vs Penn St (Neu Field)
USC -13.5 vs Utah (Neu Field)
And we know damn well the outcome of both those games would have SC winning by 3 TDs.
Fuckin year after year with you Whoreman. Yet everytime they go up a against a nationally ranked opponent on the big stage 99% of the time they hand them their ass. Yet you always play the coulda woulda shoulda argument.
Personally Penn St and Utah have no business even hanging 2 quarters with SC. The only ones in the country that would give USC a run for a moeny or beat them would be would be TT, Florida and Oklahoma.
I will say though. Your threads are damn entertaining. You act as if Pete Carrol owes you money or got your sister pregnant the way you start threads about him. LOL
But a person like you will beat the Oregon St drum to death when you damn well it was a speed bump. Have USC play Oregon St again at Corvalis and I GUARANTEE the outcome would be different. But a moron like you will always say the likes of Stanford and UCLA will always be better than USC because they happened to catch the Trojans on an off week.
So to answer your question regarding PSU and Utah?
USC -9.5 vs Penn St (Neu Field)
USC -13.5 vs Utah (Neu Field)
And we know damn well the outcome of both those games would have SC winning by 3 TDs.
Fuckin year after year with you Whoreman. Yet everytime they go up a against a nationally ranked opponent on the big stage 99% of the time they hand them their ass. Yet you always play the coulda woulda shoulda argument.
Personally Penn St and Utah have no business even hanging 2 quarters with SC. The only ones in the country that would give USC a run for a moeny or beat them would be would be TT, Florida and Oklahoma.
I will say though. Your threads are damn entertaining. You act as if Pete Carrol owes you money or got your sister pregnant the way you start threads about him. LOL
Exactly. Let ESPN and the talking heads bang everyone over the heads with this "best defense in the country nonsense". Seriously, is there a chance in hell any SEC team would let Jaquizz Rodgers gash them all day long like USC did or let Stanford's slow, plodding Tommy Vardell imitation go up and down the field on them. Are you kidding me that Stanford scored 17 non-fluky points in 1 half without the benefit of a blocked kick or return.
Doesn't hurt your stats either when touchdowns are taken off the board on a regular basis (ironic that both Cal's and Ohio State's negated TDs would've tied both games at 10-10).
Knowing Whormoan, he's probably an NCAAF fencesitter like the rest of those fairweather fans in San Diego.
A while back I remember him bumping his little titty's over Oklahoma and how Jason White was this and that. Then we saw what my Trojans did to em in the Orange Bowl, and dude disappeared. I think its a mystery who Whormoan's team actually is. All he does is Pac10, USC and Pete Carroll bash. Happens year with this boy. So where ya been Whormoan??
As far as his school? He probably took an incomplete from San Diego Mesa JC. Been conference and team hopping ever since.
