Who among today's stars are Hall of Fame locks?

[CHOPTALK]

career era / whip / wins

RR 3.37 1.28 214
CC 3.50 1.22 171

your eye for baseball talent and judgement is evidenced by 30 bumped threads. dudes a homer, you're just a sucker

Where are these 30 bumped threads? I will settle for you showing me 2 bumped threads.

You are comparing RR 3.37 era to CC's 3.50
RR pitched his entire career in the NL.
CC pitched his entire career in the AL with a thing called the DH in a so-called roid era.
As you pointed out, despite this CC managed to still have a better whip.


Then you go on to compare a retired players win total to another player in the prime of his career's win total. LOL

Thats would be like saying Pete Rose was a better home run hitter then Josh Hamilton because Pete Rose hit 160 homers and Hamilton has less then that.

RR only won 20 games once, and it was exactly 20 wins.
He also lead all of MLB in loses one year. And was only 22 games over .500 for his whole career with 191 loses.
CC will never lose 191 games.

Your going to have to do better then that.

 

[billhill999]

I'm being real about this, he's one of five true aces in the majors.
Timmy is an ace (and he's getting hit a little this year) , Doc is an ace, CC is an ace, Verlander is an ace.
Not many more aces you can name, those pitchers have been getting it done for years, Vogelsong is a one hit wonder, so is Cueto and the rest you named that had a solid first three months, but have done nothing before, and more than likely again.

When Verlander starts a season, you pencil him in for 17 wins, when CC starts a season you pencil him for 17 wins, when Pujols starts a season you pencil him in for .320 35-120, those are Hall of Famers, because they meet the expectations every season.

 

[festeringZit]

He's just a troller.
I mean even the biggest NYY hater in the world knows CC is on the fast track to the Hall, but I like giving baseball lessons.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I hope you are not implying that I am a Yankee lover.
I can bump at least 30 threads that profess my hate for the Yankees if you want to talk thread bumping.

if its so clear cut and hes a lock whey you trying so hard to defend him ?

i dont care. i hope he wins 20 game a a year for the next 10 years. im just bein real about it.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Then you go on to compare a retired players win total to another player in the prime of his career's win total. LOL

sigh, you accidently contribute to my point

hallf of fame voters look at career numbers. they dont take their first 10 years and double it . CC's ERA and WHIP will undoubtedly rise overt he next few years.

its obvious im talking to rocks. so im done until CC turns 37

 

[seanm0520]

I'm being real about this, he's one of five true aces in the majors.
Timmy is an ace (and he's getting hit a little this year) , Doc is an ace, CC is an ace, Verlander is an ace.
Not many more aces you can name, those pitchers have been getting it done for years, Vogelsong is a one hit wonder, so is Cueto and the rest you named that had a solid first three months, but have done nothing before, and more than likely again.

When Verlander starts a season, you pencil him in for 17 wins, when CC starts a season you pencil him for 17 wins, when Pujols starts a season you pencil him in for .320 35-120, those are Hall of Famers, because they meet the expectations every season.

Not trying to spawn off into something else but: Lee, Kershaw, Weaver, Lester, J. Johnson, King Felix are all true aces. Guys like Cain, Hamels, Hanson, Beckett (coming back to it) are all getting very close to the title too, IMO.

 

[CHOPTALK]

He is comparing a player who is barely a .500 pitcher lifetime to another pitcher who is 78 games over 500, and will probably end up well over 100 games over .500.

You can ask 1000 scouts who is/was better CC or RR.

All 1000 will tell you CC was/IS better.

Im not even going to get into Orel and Brett.
They may even have had lesser career's then RR

 

[CHOPTALK]

sigh, you accidently contribute to my point

hallf of fame voters look at career numbers. they dont take their first 10 years and double it . CC's ERA and WHIP will undoubtedly rise overt he next few years.

its obvious im talking to rocks. so im done until CC turns 37

LOL, I was talking about wins.
I doubt CC's wins will shrink.
LOL.
LOL.

 

[CHOPTALK]

You are aware that the historic composite ERA in the AL since the DH is a full half run higher then the NL dont you?

 

[billhill999]

sigh, you accidently contribute to my point

hallf of fame voters look at career numbers. they dont take their first 10 years and double it . CC's ERA and WHIP will undoubtedly rise overt he next few years.

its obvious im talking to rocks. so im done until CC turns 37

Yet CC's numbers have gone down in each of the last three seasons.
His numbers keep getting better as he gets older.

 

[ChrisParadise]

LOL, I was talking about wins.
I doubt CC's wins will shrink.
LOL.
LOL.

calm down fella, you're gonna hurt yourself

 

[Enfuego]

Mauer
Pulhous
Hallady
Vlad
Mariano
Detroit's Cabrera

* types
Arod
Pudge

Blyleven & Alomar are probably worthy but what GM in their right mind would pick either of those two over the likes of Lefty O'Doul or Junior Stephens.

Joe Mauer and Miguel Cabrera are locks right now for the MLB Hall of Fame?

 

[Enfuego]

You won't be posting here in seven more years.

Bottom line, you are a Yankee hater, who refuses to give any Yankee their due, where I'm a Yankee realist who doesn't think Mattingly, Righetti, or Guidry should be in the Hall.

You are like the poster that tried to tell me Michael Martinez is a stud.

Don Mattingly, in the Hall of Fame?

Guy played 14 seasons and totaled 222 HRs and 1,099 RBIs with a career .307 average. This isn't the Hall of Average.

 

[Enfuego]

I'm being real about this, he's one of five true aces in the majors.
Timmy is an ace (and he's getting hit a little this year) , Doc is an ace, CC is an ace, Verlander is an ace.
Not many more aces you can name, those pitchers have been getting it done for years, Vogelsong is a one hit wonder, so is Cueto and the rest you named that had a solid first three months, but have done nothing before, and more than likely again.

When Verlander starts a season, you pencil him in for 17 wins, when CC starts a season you pencil him for 17 wins, when Pujols starts a season you pencil him in for .320 35-120, those are Hall of Famers, because they meet the expectations every season.

Bill, you keep leaving one pitcher out that is perhaps the best pitcher in the game. King Felix is better than all these guys on a shitty team. If not, top three in MLB today.

 

[lax_gunman]

Don Mattingly, in the Hall of Fame?

Guy played 14 seasons and totaled 222 HRs and 1,099 RBIs with a career .307 average. This isn't the Hall of Average.

Bill was saying Don should not be in the hall...

I would say the only locks right now are Rivera, Jeter, and Albert.

 

[paftraft]

Joe Mauer and Miguel Cabrera are locks right now for the MLB Hall of Fame?

According to Baseball Almanac there are 13 catchers in the Hall of Fame:
Mauer has the highest single season BA .365 ever by a catcher
Mauer to this point has the highest lifetime BA ever by a catcher .328
Mauer has a higher OBP than any catcher in history other than Mickey Cochrane
Mauer has a higher SLG PCT than all H of Fame catchers except Campenella, Harknett & Berra

3 batting titles as much as all other catchers in the history of baseball combined

Already compared to the Hall of Fame Catchers Mauer is in the top echelon! A lock no, 5 more comparable years at
his previous pace yes!

 

[5teamparlay]

Bill was saying Don should not be in the hall...

I would say the only locks right now are Rivera, Jeter, and Albert.

Agree completely the non debatable ones if never played again and to add Chipper... A Rod has the steroid issue hanging over him....

 

[billhill999]

Agree completely the non debatable ones if never played again and to add Chipper... A Rod has the steroid issue hanging over him....

What about him?


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/guerrvl01.shtml

 

[paftraft]

What about him?


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/guerrvl01.shtml

Vlad will certainly get in but in may take more than 2 or 3 tries. 100% H of Famer

 

[DogDaze]

Bill was saying Don should not be in the hall...

I would say the only locks right now are Rivera, Jeter, and Albert.

Chipper and Vlad are 100% locks.