AK, I don't have a dog in this fight but can't you see that if obamacare was a good product, there would be support from both sides. He wouldn't have to bribe democrats to vote for it. Instead, Barrack passed it behind closed doors and I am sure you remember his buddy Nancy Pelosi infamously said “we have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it,”I mean come on man. If that isn't the red flag of all red flags.
Americans deserve good healthcare. Its obviously that obamacare isn't it.
Please Scott. The Republicans have been against anything Obama supports, even when it's their own plan, like Obamacare was. Support from both sides??? Not in this time of lunacy, where their only goal is to be against whatever Obama is for. Back in rational days, both sides would be all for the fixes for the ACA that the Dems and Obama recognze need to be fixed. Instead, they're against them also, preferring that the ACA not be adjusted at all. Makes perfect sense, right???
The Republican Congress's pathetic approval rating is Obama's fault also??? You're doing a great job of proving Aki's point, and you are NOT objective. Maybe moreso than the resident insane asylum cases like Casper, Dave, Russ, but no one sane can compare Obama's presidency, no matter how bad one thinks it may be, to the disaster before him, that saw Over 6000 American's killed on his watch, and started a War under false pretenses.
That pretty much sums it up.
These people are bragging about visits to the Web site after all.
Also note the lack of curiousity about the # of people who got Medicaid, were previously uninsured, etc.
It is just "good" because....well.....because.
Notice the dope who started this thread does not even bother to try and say why or how this is "good"
15-20 Percent Aren't Paying Obamacare Premiums, Insurer Says
New data from a major insurer suggest real enrollment is at roughly 6 million.
By Sam Baker
April 2, 2014
One of the biggest players in Obamacare's exchanges says 15 to 20 percent of its new customers aren't paying their first premium—which means they're not actually covered.
The latest data come from the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, whose members—known collectively as "Blues" plans—are participating in the exchanges in almost every state. Roughly 80 to 85 percent of people who selected a Blues plan through the exchanges went on to pay their first month's premium, a BCBSA spokeswoman said Wednesday.
The new statistics, particularly from such a large carrier, help define how many people are actually getting covered under the Affordable Care Act.
The Blues' experience is in line with anecdotal estimates from other insurance executives, who indicated earlier in the enrollment process that they received payments from about 80 percent of people who selected their plans.
The Blues' latest estimate includes policies that took effect Feb. 1 or earlier, the spokeswoman said.
Some health care analysts have suggested that the payment rate could improve later in the enrollment window, as plans had more time to track down consumers who hadn't paid.
Wherever the final number ends up, it will be the real measure of how many people are actually covered through the Affordable Care Act's exchanges. The Obama administration has been releasing the number of people who selected a plan, but says it doesn't have accurate data on how many have actually paid. And consumers don't have coverage they can use until they make that first payment.
If the nationwide payment rate, across all carriers, remains at 80 to 85 percent, the 7.1 million sign-ups Obama announced Tuesday would translate into somewhere between 5.7 and 6 million people who are actually covered.
New data from a major insurer suggest real enrollment is at roughly 6 million.
A health care specialist helps people select insurance plans at an Affordable Care Act enrollment fair in Pasadena, Calif.(David McNew/Getty Images)
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April 2, 2014
One of the biggest players in Obamacare's exchanges says 15 to 20 percent of its new customers aren't paying their first premium—which means they're not actually covered.
The latest data come from the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, whose members—known collectively as "Blues" plans—are participating in the exchanges in almost every state. Roughly 80 to 85 percent of people who selected a Blues plan through the exchanges went on to pay their first month's premium, a BCBSA spokeswoman said Wednesday.
The new statistics, particularly from such a large carrier, help define how many people are actually getting covered under the Affordable Care Act.
The Blues' experience is in line with anecdotal estimates from other insurance executives, who indicated earlier in the enrollment process that they received payments from about 80 percent of people who selected their plans.
The Blues' latest estimate includes policies that took effect Feb. 1 or earlier, the spokeswoman said.
Some health care analysts have suggested that the payment rate could improve later in the enrollment window, as plans had more time to track down consumers who hadn't paid.
Wherever the final number ends up, it will be the real measure of how many people are actually covered through the Affordable Care Act's exchanges. The Obama administration has been releasing the number of people who selected a plan, but says it doesn't have accurate data on how many have actually paid. And consumers don't have coverage they can use until they make that first payment.
If the nationwide payment rate, across all carriers, remains at 80 to 85 percent, the 7.1 million sign-ups Obama announced Tuesday would translate into somewhere between 5.7 and 6 million people who are actually covered.
[h=1]Jindal Unveils Alternative to Obamacare[/h]
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[h=2]Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is determined to find a way back to the upper echelon of GOP presidential candidates for 2016 after finishing 10[SUP]th[/SUP] among presidential contenders at the Conservative Political Action Conference. The Governor announced Wednesday that he has a health plan of his own to replace ObamaCare.[/h]Jindal’s resume clearly shows he is well-equipped to tackle health care; he was secretary of Louisiana’s Department of Health and Hospitals when still in his twenties, and later became the staff director of a bipartisan commission on the future of Medicare. Following that, he assumed the role of assistant secretary in the Department of Health and Human Services under President George W. Bush.
Jindal’s 26-page plan, called the “The Freedom and Empowerment Plan,” and published by the advocacy group America Next, would use block grants, or as he terms them, “global grant programs,” to give states a fixed amount of money without hamstringing them with federal rules requiring them to offer certain benefits. He also wants to jettison the tax preference for employer-based insurance, as well as let health coverage be available to customers across state line. Jindal’s plan hearkens back to his 1990’s days on the Medicare commission by suggesting older Americans utilize a system known as “premium support.” Unlike the present practice of seniors being trapped in a system where the government sets prices and pays the seniors’ bills, Jindal would require the government to give the seniors the money seek the most competitive price among private health plans.
Jindal asserted, “There is a void out there. Consider this plan open-source code for Republicans, who are welcome to cut and paste from it.”
Jindal said last month in New Hampshire that he had no plans to run for president; saying, “The answer is I have no plans at this time to run. I’ve made that clear, and I will come here again and again to the state of New Hampshire to make that clear.”
Yet others are not ruling it out; Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax reform said, “Competing with Walker’s high-profile fight against organized labor, Christie’s name identification, Jeb’s last name and Rand Paul’s youth appeal won’t be easy. But if you look at what Jindal is doing, he’s becoming one of the five or six guys who could be taken seriously.” Charlie Black, a former campaign adviser to Sen. John McCain, said, “It’s early, but this is a good time for him to show how he belongs with the rest of those names.” Ari Fleischer, a former press secretary for George W. Bush, asked, “Could he raise the money? Could he break through a crowded pack of candidates? Considering how wide open the Republican race is looking, I think he could, but those are the questions.”
Jindal explained, “This is the first in a series of policies I will offer through America Next over the course of this year. I absolutely think the country deserves a debate, and if Republicans are going to succeed, we better have more than bumper stickers.”
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[h=2]Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is determined to find a way back to the upper echelon of GOP presidential candidates for 2016 after finishing 10[SUP]th[/SUP] among presidential contenders at the Conservative Political Action Conference. The Governor announced Wednesday that he has a health plan of his own to replace ObamaCare.[/h]Jindal’s resume clearly shows he is well-equipped to tackle health care; he was secretary of Louisiana’s Department of Health and Hospitals when still in his twenties, and later became the staff director of a bipartisan commission on the future of Medicare. Following that, he assumed the role of assistant secretary in the Department of Health and Human Services under President George W. Bush.
Jindal’s 26-page plan, called the “The Freedom and Empowerment Plan,” and published by the advocacy group America Next, would use block grants, or as he terms them, “global grant programs,” to give states a fixed amount of money without hamstringing them with federal rules requiring them to offer certain benefits. He also wants to jettison the tax preference for employer-based insurance, as well as let health coverage be available to customers across state line. Jindal’s plan hearkens back to his 1990’s days on the Medicare commission by suggesting older Americans utilize a system known as “premium support.” Unlike the present practice of seniors being trapped in a system where the government sets prices and pays the seniors’ bills, Jindal would require the government to give the seniors the money seek the most competitive price among private health plans.
Jindal asserted, “There is a void out there. Consider this plan open-source code for Republicans, who are welcome to cut and paste from it.”
Jindal said last month in New Hampshire that he had no plans to run for president; saying, “The answer is I have no plans at this time to run. I’ve made that clear, and I will come here again and again to the state of New Hampshire to make that clear.”
Yet others are not ruling it out; Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax reform said, “Competing with Walker’s high-profile fight against organized labor, Christie’s name identification, Jeb’s last name and Rand Paul’s youth appeal won’t be easy. But if you look at what Jindal is doing, he’s becoming one of the five or six guys who could be taken seriously.” Charlie Black, a former campaign adviser to Sen. John McCain, said, “It’s early, but this is a good time for him to show how he belongs with the rest of those names.” Ari Fleischer, a former press secretary for George W. Bush, asked, “Could he raise the money? Could he break through a crowded pack of candidates? Considering how wide open the Republican race is looking, I think he could, but those are the questions.”
Jindal explained, “This is the first in a series of policies I will offer through America Next over the course of this year. I absolutely think the country deserves a debate, and if Republicans are going to succeed, we better have more than bumper stickers.”
Speaking on Tuesday April 1, Fallon joked that regarding the 7 million Americans that have signed up for health insurance, “It's amazing what you can achieve when you make something mandatory and fine people if they don't do it and then keep extending the deadline for months.”
Fallon then doubled-down on his ObamaCare attack and mocked how The White House “Said that 7 million people have signed up. When asked how many people tried to sign up, they were like, 30 million."
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Fallon then doubled-down on his ObamaCare attack and mocked how The White House “Said that 7 million people have signed up. When asked how many people tried to sign up, they were like, 30 million."
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I'm just now catching up in this thread. I've seen some patently absurd horseshit posted here, but this statement may deserve its own wing in the alkiefagdelt hall of shame.
So the reason every American doesn't have a home, cars and income is because Congress wouldn't agree to it? Are you absolutely fucking braindead? It's because there aren't enough resources to make it happen...not because Congress isn't in the mood to wave some magic wand. If debt didn't really matter, then Detroit would be a paradise right now instead of the complete shithole the dimocraps and unions turned it into.
And btw, as far as the original point of this thread...does anyone know where I can find a stated goal of 7 million signups BEFORE the dimocraps did a victory dance this past week? In other words, where someone (anyone) went on record before the project began and said "Yeah, we're shooting for 7 million by April 1." Otherwise, where the hell is the celebration coming from? And I thought the stated goal was to make sure EVERYONE had health insurance, not just 7 million people (some of which may have had plans before, but I guess we'll just never know how many).
What's next...they're going to start celebrating the total number of hits the ACA web site got?
Absolutely, 110% wrong and ridiculous.
This is a dimpcrap plan from inception to where it is today. YOUR party drafted the legislation and passed it without any GOP help. YOUR party rammed it through in the middle of the night. YOUR party leadership insisted it had to be passed before we could find out what was inside. The ACA is entirely a dimocrap creation...don't try to pass the blame for your complete fuck-up.
The ACA can't be "fixed" because it's fundamentally flawed. It's like trying to "fix" a car that has no engine by giving it a wax job and hoping that will make it start running again.
[h=1]Rand Study: Vast Majority of Obamacare 'Enrollees' Already Had Insurance[/h]
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[h=2]An unreleased study by the Rand Corporation reportedly reveals that only "about one-third" of the 7.04 million Obamacare enrollees the White House is claiming were people who were previously uninsured.[/h]The Los Angeles Times reported on the study and is the only news outlet so far that has seen the secret Rand study.
Moreover, a McKinsey & Co. study says that just 53% of the previously uninsured have paid their first premium and activated their coverage. That would mean that just 1.2 million of those the White House calls "enrollees" are actually paying Obamacare customers who were previously uninsured.
Obamacare's purported purpose was to provide coverage for America's 48.6 million uninsured people. Based on the Rand study, Obamacare has provided private insurance for only 2.5% of America's uninsured.
The highly unpopular Obamacare program has Democratic strategists and candidates scrambling for cover. One prominent Democratic pollster told Politico that the best thing Democrats can do is change the subject.
"The less we're talking about Obamacare, the better off we are," said the pollster.
The latest Associated Press poll shows Obamacare has hit an all-time low approval rating of just 26%.
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Moreover, a McKinsey & Co. study says that just 53% of the previously uninsured have paid their first premium and activated their coverage. That would mean that just 1.2 million of those the White House calls "enrollees" are actually paying Obamacare customers who were previously uninsured.
Obamacare's purported purpose was to provide coverage for America's 48.6 million uninsured people. Based on the Rand study, Obamacare has provided private insurance for only 2.5% of America's uninsured.
The highly unpopular Obamacare program has Democratic strategists and candidates scrambling for cover. One prominent Democratic pollster told Politico that the best thing Democrats can do is change the subject.
"The less we're talking about Obamacare, the better off we are," said the pollster.
The latest Associated Press poll shows Obamacare has hit an all-time low approval rating of just 26%.
That would mean electing a person with no proven success in the business world. Someone who has a Harvard law degree and who was a community organizer. A person who is an admitted doper, a fraternizer with terrorists and does business with a man who specializes in fraud and bribery.
A man who is a "clean" African American candidate and a light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted one.
Contrast that with a man that co founded and led a highly profitable private equity investment firm that became one of the largest of its kind in the nation. A man who presided over the elimination of a projected $1.2–1.5 billion deficit through a combination of spending cuts, increased fees, and the closure of corporate tax loopholes as the Governor of Massachusetts.
So as you can clearly see the choice was simple. Elect the bozo not the Mormon.
