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Ratings may be up for now, but week 4 last year was the week of the shooting in Vegas. A new season should start with decent ratings but as the season goes forth we'll see where the ratings go. Compared to last years piss poor ratings they should be up right now.
 

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Reno Chazz and Cowherd are right.

Star QB's equal better ratings. Of course people will tune out if it's backup scrub QB's playing. Seeing the back QB's is good for maybe one game max.

Take for example last year with Green Bay. I would normally be more then happy to watch them play on national TV. I was interested to see Brett Hundley play, has was a pretty good prospect coming out of a big name college. It took less then one game to realize he sucked. Then the rest of the Green Bay games that year became much less appealing.

It's like watching the Cavs play without Lebron the last few years. Or this year, see how often the Cavs are on national tv. Nobody is going to want to see them play without their superstar, even if they are average it will not be interesting.
 

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Reno Chazz and Cowherd are right.

Star QB's equal better ratings. Of course people will tune out if it's backup scrub QB's playing. Seeing the back QB's is good for maybe one game max.

Take for example last year with Green Bay. I would normally be more then happy to watch them play on national TV. I was interested to see Brett Hundley play, has was a pretty good prospect coming out of a big name college. It took less then one game to realize he sucked. Then the rest of the Green Bay games that year became much less appealing.

It's like watching the Cavs play without Lebron the last few years. Or this year, see how often the Cavs are on national tv. Nobody is going to want to see them play without their superstar, even if they are average it will not be interesting.

I tried explaining this same thing to Willie in another thread
 

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OMG, you can't be serious

Anyone who thinks the roughing the passer calls are improving RATINGS is fucked in the head, and I'm speaking to Colin Cowherd with my remark because he obviously thought enough about this to talk about it on the type of show I NEVER WATCH. The season just begun, there are rarely season ending injuries a few weeks in. There is no basis for drawing that conclusion, there's nothing that supports such a conclusion whatsoever.

Do people really think ratings went down because Aaron Rogers was hurt last year? Seriously? WTF? I'm not even sure how to respond to that after 3 FUCKING WEEKS (the fourth wasn't played yet when these statistics were cited)

If ratings are improving early this year over last year, it's because the flag protesting controversy is dying down. There's a reason why the owners went aggressively after that issue. It's not because there are more roughing the passer calls and QB's aren't going down. QB injuries are statistically irrelevant at this point of this season or this point last season.

If ratings increase because star QB's are not being injured, that takes time to take affect. I'm shocked this needs to be explained to some.

And JC, please don't mention my name in any of your idiocy, because I don't like being associated with idiocy. You're bringing me into the poppycock you like to spew is extremely stupid on your part, but I understand you like to act stupid at times.

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OMG, you can't be serious

Anyone who thinks the roughing the passer calls are improving RATINGS is fucked in the head, and I'm speaking to Colin Cowherd with my remark because he obviously thought enough about this to talk about it on the type of show I NEVER WATCH. The season just begun, there are rarely season ending injuries a few weeks in. There is no basis for drawing that conclusion, there's nothing that supports such a conclusion whatsoever.

Do people really think ratings went down because Aaron Rogers was hurt last year? Seriously? WTF? I'm not even sure how to respond to that after 3 FUCKING WEEKS (the fourth wasn't played yet when these statistics were cited)

If ratings are improving early this year over last year, it's because the flag protesting controversy is dying down. There's a reason why the owners went aggressively after that issue. It's not because there are more roughing the passer calls and QB's aren't going down. QB injuries are statistically irrelevant at this point of this season or this point last season.

If ratings increase because star QB's are not being injured, that takes time to take affect. I'm shocked this needs to be explained to some.

And JC, please don't mention my name in any of your idiocy, because I don't like being associated with idiocy. You're bringing me into the poppycock you like to spew is extremely stupid on your part, but I understand you like to act stupid at times.

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So if Von Miller puts all his weight on Mahommes and ends his season, ratings for Chiefs games would not go down?
 

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OMG, you can't be serious

Anyone who thinks the roughing the passer calls are improving RATINGS is fucked in the head, and I'm speaking to Colin Cowherd with my remark because he obviously thought enough about this to talk about it on the type of show I NEVER WATCH. The season just begun, there are rarely season ending injuries a few weeks in. There is no basis for drawing that conclusion, there's nothing that supports such a conclusion whatsoever.

Do people really think ratings went down because Aaron Rogers was hurt last year? Seriously? WTF? I'm not even sure how to respond to that after 3 FUCKING WEEKS (the fourth wasn't played yet when these statistics were cited)

If ratings are improving early this year over last year, it's because the flag protesting controversy is dying down. There's a reason why the owners went aggressively after that issue. It's not because there are more roughing the passer calls and QB's aren't going down. QB injuries are statistically irrelevant at this point of this season or this point last season.

If ratings increase because star QB's are not being injured, that takes time to take affect. I'm shocked this needs to be explained to some.

And JC, please don't mention my name in any of your idiocy, because I don't like being associated with idiocy. You're bringing me into the poppycock you like to spew is extremely stupid on your part, but I understand you like to act stupid at times.

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Thats not the entire point cowherd is making .

Its not just that they are just calling roughing the passer .

Its the fact that the officiating is favoring offense and people like scoring .

Roughing the passer is just one of those rules that favors offense .

What he basically said is because offense is up due to these rules the games are more interesting .

We are seeing over unders in the mid 50s on the regular scoring is way up .

Thats the point cowherd was making
 

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If you compare the excitement level of last years prime time games vs this season it’s not close .

Everyone has to admit the games are more fun to watch this year
 

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Roughing calls suck so hopefully they fix that and find a happy medium.

But the owners are billionaires for a reason, they know how to provide goods/services that people need/want. Not all appeals to authority work, but I'd give these guys some benefit of the doubt.

And 31-28 games rather than 16-10 games is one of those things. Attention spans declining too much, they want NFL to be more like CFB as far as the scoring/excitement goes.
 

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If you compare the excitement level of last years prime time games vs this season it’s not close .

Everyone has to admit the games are more fun to watch this year
not everyone. I do not find the games any more exciting as you say. I do enjoy a pitcher's duel sometimes but it is not that, it's I hate when they are not allowed to play football. Heck, this is not new to this year, look how hard it is to be a defensive back in this league.
 

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not everyone. I do not find the games any more exciting as you say. I do enjoy a pitcher's duel sometimes but it is not that, it's I hate when they are not allowed to play football. Heck, this is not new to this year, look how hard it is to be a defensive back in this league.

The NFL isn't a niche sport and they're trying to get 15-20 mill people a week to watch these games.

They rely on tons and tons of casuals that just wanna see Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers air it out. So you move things in that direction as far as you can, NFL went too far and you need to correct for your overcompensation but their general idea wasn't pulled out of their ass.
 

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Roughing calls suck so hopefully they fix that and find a happy medium.

But the owners are billionaires for a reason, they know how to provide goods/services that people need/want. Not all appeals to authority work, but I'd give these guys some benefit of the doubt.

And 31-28 games rather than 16-10 games is one of those things. Attention spans declining too much, they want NFL to be more like CFB as far as the scoring/excitement goes.

If you compare the excitement level of last years prime time games vs this season it’s not close .

Everyone has to admit the games are more fun to watch this year

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i dont like it but its true. more offense creates more viewership, its what has happened in the nba. constantly creating rules to provide more offense and get out of your seat moments. id rather a 17-10 football game but they just arent built into the rules for that kind of thing to happen as often anymore. fantasy football brought in a lot of casual fans who paid attention to games they otherwise wouldnt have. i think that sorta sparked an idea that people are tuning into other games now so make them as exciting as possible. i get it, its smart business but its not as enjoyable to me.
 

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i dont like it but its true. more offense creates more viewership, its what has happened in the nba. constantly creating rules to provide more offense and get out of your seat moments. id rather a 17-10 football game but they just arent built into the rules for that kind of thing to happen as often anymore. fantasy football brought in a lot of casual fans who paid attention to games they otherwise wouldnt have. i think that sorta sparked an idea that people are tuning into other games now so make them as exciting as possible. i get it, its smart business but its not as enjoyable to me.

Not saying you specifically but most of the "I'd rather a 17-10 game" crowd is lying to themselves. Probably for reasons related to cognitive bias or nostalgia but whenever there is a island game that has low scoring, everyone used to complain it was "terrible football" on here and just say the QB play is awful.

Same thing w/ the NBA...People forget now but late 90's/early 00's it was much less aestetically pleasing to watch. Every team was playing heavy isoball (basically every team played how the Knicks played with Melo a few years ago, which was universally panned)

Some manipulation of rules and social engineering of sports is needed to ensure a good product. It's just when it becomes too much that you run into trouble, like right now.
 

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Well there are different kinds of 17-10 games .

Just because you have a 17-10 game does not make it a defensive masterpiece .

Sometimes it’s 2 pathetic offenses that can’t get a first down .

Those are the worst .
 

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Well there are different kinds of 17-10 games .

Just because you have a 17-10 game does not make it a defensive masterpiece .

Sometimes it’s 2 pathetic offenses that can’t get a first down .

Those are the worst .

True, but I think for the most part fans put 90% of 17-10 games into the offensive incompetence category.

People really don't wanna watch that shit for an island game. I can barely do it and I love football.


Remember 1st half of Eagles/Falcons wk 1?
 

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You guys really think the Big12 is the most entertaining conference in college football?

I'm sorry, I like great ground games, strong line play and solid defenses. I'm not a fan of wide open football where the defenses have to play with one hand tied behind their backs and blindfolded. I hate halo rules, in or sports. I'm a grit and effort guy, not big on Canadian style football.

Any game that's well executed is exciting to me. Poor execution AND FLAGS are what ruins the game. Kinda surprised people around here actually like flag football (pun intended)
 

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You guys really think the Big12 is the most entertaining conference in college football?

I'm sorry, I like great ground games, strong line play and solid defenses. I'm not a fan of wide open football where the defenses have to play with one hand tied behind their backs and blindfolded. I hate halo rules, in or sports. I'm a grit and effort guy, not big on Canadian style football.

Any game that's well executed is exciting to me. Poor execution AND FLAGS are what ruins the game. Kinda surprised people around here actually like flag football (pun intended)
Very well said
 

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You guys really think the Big12 is the most entertaining conference in college football?

I'm sorry, I like great ground games, strong line play and solid defenses. I'm not a fan of wide open football where the defenses have to play with one hand tied behind their backs and blindfolded. I hate halo rules, in or sports. I'm a grit and effort guy, not big on Canadian style football.

Any game that's well executed is exciting to me. Poor execution AND FLAGS are what ruins the game. Kinda surprised people around here actually like flag football (pun intended)

I think it's gone too far as we speak right now, but I like football from the past 10 years more than I liked it the previous 10 years. If that makes sense....

I think if you go back and watch games from previous eras objectively you probably won't have as much fondness for some of those games.

I do like heterogeneity from teams though. When everyone is playing the same way and built the same way to just throw, throw, throw then that is lame. I wanna watch different styles and teams and if the rules tilt too far in 1 direction then EVERYONE has to play the same way or it is pretty sub-optimal not to.
 

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Thats not the entire point cowherd is making .

Its not just that they are just calling roughing the passer .

Its the fact that the officiating is favoring offense and people like scoring .

Roughing the passer is just one of those rules that favors offense .

What he basically said is because offense is up due to these rules the games are more interesting .

We are seeing over unders in the mid 50s on the regular scoring is way up .

Thats the point cowherd was making

You're changing the narrative, but your argument makes more sense, it's certainly plausible anyhow. Maybe more scoring will increase ratings, maybe not, the jury is still out at this point. I don't believe ratings increased in week 1 because of more offense, that takes time to have an impact. If there is any one factor that can possibly have such a huge impact on the early ratings, it's the end of the kneeling. But I'm not even saying that's the reason, sometimes shit just happens and we look for reasons to explain it. It's like the stock market, experts back into every increase or every decrease every minute of every day.
 

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You're changing the narrative, but your argument makes more sense, it's certainly plausible anyhow. Maybe more scoring will increase ratings, maybe not, the jury is still out at this point. I don't believe ratings increased in week 1 because of more offense, that takes time to have an impact. If there is any one factor that can possibly have such a huge impact on the early ratings, it's the end of the kneeling. But I'm not even saying that's the reason, sometimes shit just happens and we look for reasons to explain it. It's like the stock market, experts back into every increase or every decrease every minute of every day.

Well, no time period is the same and you can never run two time different strategies in parallel universes. So we can't have a time with lower scoring and higher scoring going on at the same time, but if we could I think the lower scoring would do worse in this increasingly intense entertainment environment.

But having rules that favor QB's and allow the Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, etc to play into their late 30s is a profitable strategy overall. Fans get familiar with them, their games are entertaining, superstars which brings casual fans in.
 

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