'What's wrong with socialism?'

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When some goods or services are essential to our citizens but cannot be furnished by private enterprise then the government is forced into business.

The Army is a socialist organization.

The post office is a socialist organization.

Federal police forces are socialist organizations.

FEMA and that sort of organizations are socialist.

The Park and Wildlife, FHA, FDA and all the rest are socialist.


One industry stands out as failing to meet the needs of all the people at an affordable price and that is the medical profession.

Medicare and Medicaid are already socialist.

Soon there will be much more Socialism in that industry.

The Banking industry probably can be saved as Capitalist.


This is not a total capitalist country as many seem to believe.
Nor should it be.


fedex/ups are far more effieceint than ups -we dont need the post office
 

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If the government actually printed and regulated its own money without having to be charged interest, we would be much better off. so in that case, socialism works. But that is about the extent of it IMO. Medical coverage needs to be reshaped, not turned over to the government. The last thing i want is the government giving me mandates on my own health. Just because something fails doesnt mean we should look for the government to make it better, because you know as well as i do Punter that the government is very inefficient.

the federal reserve system is in no way capitalist
 

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fedex/ups are far more effieceint than ups -we dont need the post office

They came along later. We needed a service at that time. They only cherrypick, they do not give nearly all the services of the post office.
 

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And so America isn't actually capitalist.

yes and no, Eekmeister

The economic system is most certainly still founded and driven in large part by capitalism and free enterprise.

But the social and infrastructure of most of our local, state and most certainly federal community is a strongly socialist and often (at local levels) very communal.
 

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Congress is way too partisaned right now to get anything done. It's gonna be a one party system until the both sides figure out how to work together.



If Obama has a great first 2 years, the republican party will live the desert for a long time. They'll have no one to contest Obama in 2012.

Somewhat unrelated, but you don't really think this is possible, do you? Either candidate will be left holding a giant bag of rotting shit that dates back to the 70's. There's no quick fix for these issues, especially not in two years, or even four, and they definitely won't be fixed by more government intervention. Plain and simple: we're fucked. If anything, I think four failure filled years of Obama will get the conservative party back on track and will ultimately lead to us (this country) getting pointed back in the right direction. Considering the candidates, this election is a disgrace. But at least if (when) Obama wins, guys like JJackson, Sharpton, etc won't be able to use the race card anymore.
 

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The post office is remarkably efficient and cheap for the consumer. Far more so than Fedex/UPS. There are some
things the Governement handles far better than private industry. The Post Office is one that sticks out.
 

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It's amazing that the Anti-Gov't types are always the ones who want the Gov't to step in and make abortion illegal and take away a woman's right to choose.
 

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They came along later. We needed a service at that time. They only cherrypick, they do not give nearly all the services of the post office.

the post office loses money every year and is completely socialist
if fed ex/ups were allowed to deliver regular mail into mailboxes they would do it with a lot more efficiency, and the people who actually use it would have to pay for it
 

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The post office is remarkably efficient and cheap for the consumer. Far more so than Fedex/UPS. There are some
things the Governement handles far better than private industry. The Post Office is one that sticks out.

no it doesnt. it loses money every year and the reason it is cheap is because
tax money makes up the difference
id prefer that people actually pay for what they use

they also do everything a lot worse than fedex/ups
and on top of it the tracking on their website is garbage, while fedex's is updated the second anything happens with your package
 

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It's amazing that the Anti-Gov't types are always the ones who want the Gov't to step in and make abortion illegal and take away a woman's right to choose.

Those who want the government to intervene in these matters are, by definition, not purely anti-government. To the extent they claim they are, they are hypocrites.
 

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the federal reserve system is in no way capitalist


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Please point to me where i say that it is? Where did i even imply anything else? Please reread the post and think about what i said. Looks like your having trouble keeping up in the conversation.
 

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'What's wrong with socialism?

This is the problem.Nobody under 30 understands it.

what some of you dumb fucks fail to even realise for every goverment hand out you are in fact restricting someone elses freedom.
Socialism is the biggest restriction on freedoms there is

What some of you ring dings don't get is that "free" does not mean freedom.
Do you know what NAZI means? Nationialist SOCIALIST party.This is how Hitler was able to force his ideology.The goverment owned everything and redistrubted wealth they way THEY saw it.You were OWNED.Just like the Obamaites want.
I personally don't want a fucking thing from goverment.I don't need goverment.I'd rather be poor and self reliant.
Obamas socialism is like the mob.Once they get through with their give aways.Then it will be time to call in their markers...with interest.
Some of you stupid ass twirps should wake the fuck up and realise you don't get anything for free.There will be a price to pay.
 

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This is the problem.Nobody under 30 understands it.

what some of you dumb fucks fail to even realise for every goverment hand out you are in fact restricting someone elses freedom.
Socialism is the biggest restriction on freedoms there is

What some of you ring dings don't get is that "free" does not mean freedom.
Do you know what NAZI means? Nationialist SOCIALIST party.This is how Hitler was able to force his ideology.The goverment owned everything and redistrubted wealth they way THEY saw it.You were OWNED.Just like the Obamaites want.
I personally don't want a fucking thing from goverment.I don't need goverment.I'd rather be poor and self reliant.
Obamas socialism is like the mob.Once they get through with their give aways.Then it will be time to call in their markers...with interest.
Some of you stupid ass twirps should wake the fuck up and realise you don't get anything for free.There will be a price to pay.

Im 29 and i understand it pretty clearly, and this isnt an opinion, its fact. Also, your an atrocious speller. Run a fucking spell check once in a while Pat that post was a fucking landmine. But, yhea what you say has merit, but its not just young people, it is people who feel "disenchanted". I mean, its not like you see rich guys calling for this shit.
 

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I'm a strong capitalist when it comes to small business' but large mega corporations have all the problems that a govt owned business has.

Most of the new socialist business acts like a general contractor and subcontracts to small business. AKA medicare.
 

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it is people who feel "disenchanted". I mean, its not like you see rich guys calling for this shit. <!-- / message -->

Disenchanted my ass.If your disenchanted get fucking enchanted.If your poor and in a slum get the fuck out.If your slum school sucks go vote for vouchers to go to another one..you know, freedom to choose.but you can't now can you because of Obama like restrictions?
Riddle me this fletchman? how the fuck ist it that asian and vietnamese and dirt poor refugges from that area can come to this country and within two years speak english own their own home and buisness?
You know how? They got fucking enchanted.
Another thing is this rich guy shit is such a bogus argument.All the rich guy shit examples of wall street are the extreme.I've got plenty of friends that paving contractors and home builders that have 10-20 employees that put in 40 to 80 hours a week to make a good upper middle class living that will have their balls cut off with Obama taxes.Thats disenchantment.
 

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Ranting about the poor is fun I guess but I fail to see how it is the least productive.
 

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