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Too bad the Constitution Party still wants to impose their idea or morality on you and tell you what you can and can't do with your own money.
Make your money, by all means, just don't spend it on things we don't approve of.
Can you be more specific? I admit I haven't completely studied all the details on the Constitution Party.
 

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Can you be more specific? I admit I haven't completely studied all the details on the Constitution Party.


The Constitution Party..


They oppose your right to euthanasia

They believe state and local governments have the right to criminalize "offensive sexual behavior" (i.e. gay)

They think pornography is "a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities," distinguishable from the American citizen's "cherished First Amendment right to free speech."

They think government should limit the import of drugs
(i.e. drug war at the border and beyond)

They view gambling as destructive

They oppose legal abortion...and Chuck Baldwin thinks he can make all abortion in the United States illegal on the first day of his Presidency all on his own.
 

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The Constitution Party..


They oppose your right to euthanasia

They believe state and local governments have the right to criminalize "offensive sexual behavior" (i.e. gay)

They think pornography is"a destructive element of society resulting in significant and real emotional, physical, spiritual and financial costs to individuals, families and communities," distinguishable from the American citizen's "cherished First Amendment right to free speech."

They think government should limit the import of drugs
(i.e. drug war at the border and beyond)

They view gambling as destructive

They oppose abortion...and Chuck Baldwin thinks he can make Abortion illegal and a federal crime on the first day of his presidency all on his own.
Ok, that would make me lean towards the Libertarian Party then. I do oppose abortion and wouldn't mind seeing that outlawed though.
 

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If Americans are distrusting their government, how do you think it will be when they have to depend on them for EVERYTHING? Because in case you didn’t know, that is exactly what it is. Secondly, the bailout wasn't against socialism, it was EXACTLY socialism. The nationalization of private industry is the backbone of socialism. Also, if you tax everyone to death you won’t have people doing anything anymore, there will be no incentive. And also, you will never truly have a marxist nation because only on paper does it work. If you think your going to take greed out of the equation, i have something to sell you. GTC - you really need to understand what the fuck you’re talking about before you do so, because this makes you look pretty ignorant, when your one of the most vocal on here. [/font]

no no fletch.

what you say with the bailout was class consciousness. this is one of marx's core principles explained in the communist manifesto.

the middle class became aware that the elite were taking advantage of them. the middle rallied, shouted for justice and wanted the elite to be left for dead. bush's government backed the elite and left the middle to pay for it.
obama will fix that by taxing the elite to benefit the engine of the economy, the middle.

what your seeing now is a rise in class consciousness. middle is tired of being left stuck paying for the elite. thats why there voting for obama.
 

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By Presidential fiat?
No that would require a Constitutional amendment or an act of the Supreme Court, e.g, overturning Roe v Wade?. I certainly would not want a dictator operating as President.
 

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what's wrong with socialism? nothing.

look at crime rates, literacy rates, and quality of life in socialist countries.


Just curious...where exactly do you live? If it's within the continental United States, then I'm sorry. You're in the wrong place. This country was not founded on socialist values or principles, and there are millions willing to fight with their every last ounce of energy to keep it that way (myself included).

Why don't you pack your bags and head to somewhere that is a socialist nation? In fact, what are you even doing on the internet? Don't you realize there are millions of peope less fortunate than you who don't have internet access? Why haven't you sold your computer (or car, or whatever else your parents had to buy for you) and given the money to someone less fortunate than you?

You never answered my question from before. Why do Americans not look to sneak into Cuba if it's the paradise you claim it is? Why do foreigners literally risk their lives to come to the United States if it's such a shithole?

Oh, and Brazil has a "thriving" economy?

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-10/24/content_10246651.htm
 

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no no fletch.

what you say with the bailout was class consciousness. this is one of marx's core principles explained in the communist manifesto.

the middle class became aware that the elite were taking advantage of them. the middle rallied, shouted for justice and wanted the elite to be left for dead. bush's government backed the elite and left the middle to pay for it.
obama will fix that by taxing the elite to benefit the engine of the economy, the middle.

what your seeing now is a rise in class consciousness. middle is tired of being left stuck paying for the elite. thats why there voting for obama.


But didnt Obama vote for this supposed backing of the elite as well? I mean, he voted for this SOB as did McCain and Bush and Pelosi. Its a crooked game brother, you have to come to terms with that. Only Ron Paul would do anything to change anything and he got buried.
 

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i am not looking forward to going as far left as we are headed, but i am voting for obama. i think 4 years of going to the left will do the country some good but it will also do our pathetic two party system some good as well.

Congress is way too partisaned right now to get anything done. It's gonna be a one party system until the both sides figure out how to work together.

the right is not any good for itself or anyone else if it is not conservative, and right now it is not. but i think the lessons that will be taken from this election and what happens under obama will get us a true conservative come 2012.

If Obama has a great first 2 years, the republican party will live the desert for a long time. They'll have no one to contest Obama in 2012.
 

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read up on those countries. this silly idea of competition that we used to have in the united states. having to compete for a job, etc. is what I refer to.

were a baby seed socialist country right now. high distrust of current government, strong opposition to bailout bill was proof america was ready for socialism since they want to end the elite, top class rule in america and take the power back to the middle class where it truly belongs. america realizes obama will do that, by taxing the upper class so damn hard they'll turn into the middle class. his redistributive policies will bring the poor back into the middle class, and then you'll have a single class society.

i didn't think it was possible in my lifetime, but i think were about to see the first true marxist nation.

the bailout was socialism you fucking idiot
 

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no no fletch.

what you say with the bailout was class consciousness. this is one of marx's core principles explained in the communist manifesto.

the middle class became aware that the elite were taking advantage of them. the middle rallied, shouted for justice and wanted the elite to be left for dead. bush's government backed the elite and left the middle to pay for it.
obama will fix that by taxing the elite to benefit the engine of the economy, the middle.

what your seeing now is a rise in class consciousness. middle is tired of being left stuck paying for the elite. thats why there voting for obama.

theyre voting for obama becuase both candiates are dogshit plain and simple
obama knows this country is full of lazy braindead sheep like you and is pandering to it
 

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But didnt Obama vote for this supposed backing of the elite as well? I mean, he voted for this SOB as did McCain and Bush and Pelosi. Its a crooked game brother, you have to come to terms with that. Only Ron Paul would do anything to change anything and he got buried.

exactly both candiates are scum
ron paul got buried
the fucking sheep in this country dont deserve him
bunch of god damn lemmings
 

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what's wrong with socialism? nothing.

look at crime rates, literacy rates, and quality of life in socialist countries. countries where the governments sole investment are its citizens are succeeding where as countries like the US where you can only make it by defeating your opponent are dwindling.

south africa, brazil, argentina, canada, switzerland are a few examples of thriving socialist countries.

and you guys better get over socialism coming to this US. otherwise get your ass over to iran and sit in your little tent. socialism is here to stay.


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THANKS BUT NO THANKS PAL

 

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read up on those countries. this silly idea of competition that we used to have in the united states. having to compete for a job, etc. is what I refer to.

were a baby seed socialist country right now. high distrust of current government, strong opposition to bailout bill was proof america was ready for socialism since they want to end the elite, top class rule in america and take the power back to the middle class where it truly belongs. america realizes obama will do that, by taxing the upper class so damn hard they'll turn into the middle class. his redistributive policies will bring the poor back into the middle class, and then you'll have a single class society.

i didn't think it was possible in my lifetime, but i think were about to see the first true marxist nation.


Too funny. "Read up on" you say so as not to provide any evidence.

I just went and read a few Articles on Brazil. First ones that came up, no hunting for the worst ones. What a freekin disaster. Makes USA, even with the problems we now face look like Eden.

Again Socialism is a FAILURE. The problems we face here are mostly caused by already being too Socialist.

Here's Hope a revolt against Obama down the road brings us back closer to what the Founders had in mind. I'm not like one of these assinine lefty's that roots for the Country to fail, but as I see Obama making us even more Socialist, failure is inevitable.
 

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When some goods or services are essential to our citizens but cannot be furnished by private enterprise then the government is forced into business.

The Army is a socialist organization.

The post office is a socialist organization.

Federal police forces are socialist organizations.

FEMA and that sort of organizations are socialist.

The Park and Wildlife, FHA, FDA and all the rest are socialist.


One industry stands out as failing to meet the needs of all the people at an affordable price and that is the medical profession.

Medicare and Medicaid are already socialist.

Soon there will be much more Socialism in that industry.

The Banking industry probably can be saved as Capitalist.


This is not a total capitalist country as many seem to believe.
Nor should it be.
 

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The Banking industry probably can be saved as Capitalist.

If the government actually printed and regulated its own money without having to be charged interest, we would be much better off. so in that case, socialism works. But that is about the extent of it IMO. Medical coverage needs to be reshaped, not turned over to the government. The last thing i want is the government giving me mandates on my own health. Just because something fails doesnt mean we should look for the government to make it better, because you know as well as i do Punter that the government is very inefficient.
 

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Yes it is ineffecient but so is big business.

Health care is so large and cumbersome that I see no way that it can meet the needs of the nation while serving the profit factor.
 

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