What will you do if your employer mandates taking the vaccine when available?

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By the time the vast majority of people get a chance to get a C-19 vaccine millions at highest risk will have already been vaccinated. Which will tell us, with yet more testing on human subjects, how effective the various vaccines are.

"I understand why people might think that this process has been rushed, because in the past vaccines have taken years to develop, but it actually has not been rushed, at all, with the design of the vaccine or with respect to the safety and efficacy trials (all these phase 1-3 trials). "

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/11/20/allison-weis-covid/

Dude, you are such a lying piece of shit!! Of course it was rushed, trials take on average 6 years to go through the stages.
They did trials in a few months? They made a vaccine in a few months also?

Please stop trying to insult people's intelligence because you are nothing but a Communist propagandist
You are pretty much the worst kind of person
 

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Anything to add to the topic? Do you feel safe with it?

I'm semi-retired so I luckily won't have to make the decision. But if I did.. I'm really not sure.

I don't feel comfortable taking it, no. And I won't, unless I'm faced with a tough decision. For me, I'm 100% not afraid of Covid. So feel the need to take a vaccine as worthless. The risk as far as I'm concerned is the vaccine, not the virus.
 

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I would tell them I am not getting this vaccine and if I need it then I will be resigning if the vaccine is more important to them than keeping a good employee that makes them a lot of money

That's a game of chicken. You better be ready to lose your job if you make that threat.. .
 

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That's a game of chicken. You better be ready to lose your job if you make that threat.. .

That would be if you are in a strong position where you work and are a vital employee

Also if you are in position where it does not matter if you work there or not.
 
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Dude, you are such a lying piece of shit!! Of course it was rushed, trials take on average 6 years to go through the stages.
They did trials in a few months? They made a vaccine in a few months also?

Wrong again, as usual. Try doing some reading so you don't remain so pathetically in the darkness of stupidity:

"Allison Weis: The COVID-19 vaccines might feel rushed, but they aren’t


A member of my family who is not in a science or medical field recently asked for my thoughts on the new vaccines in development to combat COVID-19. She, like many Americans, voiced a fear at the prospect of taking a vaccine that felt “rushed.”


She’s not an anti-vaxxer, wants a safe vaccine in theory, but also wanted my take on potential risks associated with the incredible timeline that we’ve watched unfold as Pfizer, Moderna and soon to be several others are completing their clinical trials. My explanation, which I feel could be relevant and informative for a broad population of Americans, is as follows.


To start I’ll say that the development of the COVID-19 vaccines rests on the shoulders of a century of microbiology and immunology research, and on 50 years of concentrated vaccine research and innovation. I understand why people might think that this process has been rushed, because in the past vaccines have taken years to develop, but it actually has not been rushed, at all, with the design of the vaccine or with respect to the safety and efficacy trials (all these phase 1-3 trials).


During the SARS1 (SARS-CoV-1) outbreak 18 years ago, researchers started looking at that virus, and other coronaviruses, and found a really promising vaccine target on the virus cell surface -- which is a protein called spike. That protein is what binds to human cells and leads to an infection.


So about 10 years ago the science wheels started churning out strategies to vaccinate against SARS1. Unfortunately, funding dried up for SARS1 as that virus never made its way to the U.S., so a vaccine didn’t actually get developed. However, the research on the virus and ideas of how to vaccinate against it were already available.




Thankfully SARS2 (SARS-CoV-2, our current situation) uses almost the exact same version of that protein to infect cells and uses the exact same receptor on human cells. Due to these similarities, scientists were able to pick up where they left off, which sped up the process dramatically.


Further, vaccination strategies have improved significantly in the last 10-plus years, particularly in the past couple of years with the mRNA technology that Moderna and Pfizer have utilized. All of these companies basically just took the DNA or RNA backbone of a vaccine that they had already built and plugged in the SARS2 spike protein’s genetic information.


Essentially, they just popped in some new instructions. It is amazing that they could do it so fast, but again, it’s on the shoulders of a century of hard-won knowledge and vaccine trial and error.


That said, the real question is about the human trials. Our country has set up a network of clinical trials with an extremely high bar, particularly with vaccines. The COVID-19 vaccine candidates have not skipped any of the safety trials and measurements necessary, and they haven’t skipped any of the efficacy ones either. It’s been fast in part because people have been so eager to volunteer for the trials, and because the virus has spread like wildfire, infecting a staggering amount of people.


Phase 3 safety and efficacy trials are all based on statistics, and you need a lot of people in the trials to give the amount of statistical power needed to prove that a vaccine will make things better, and not worse, in a significant way. In order to clear the Food and Drug Administration bar to be used on the public it must be significant. In fact, the FDA is requiring at least a 50% protection for approval and pretty much total safety.




Due to the sheer number of people in the current trials and the amount of COVID-19 cases circulating this fall, the statistical power necessary for any kind of conclusion was achieved for Moderna and Pfizer really quickly. They found that there’s been little to no adverse reactions, and both vaccines are in the 90-95% effective ranking, thereby making these some of the best vaccines to date.


As for the questions regarding long term safety – in 10 years will there be major health complications due to the vaccine alone? This will remain an open question until we actually get there, however, these vaccines are not based on live virus and the only thing that gets expressed in our bodies is the spike protein.


It would take more time and immunological descriptions to explain these concepts than an opinion piece could ever do justice but, essentially, the protein will prime our immune system, and then it will disappear forever. Many safe vaccines work just like this, and those do have longitudinal data that show safety out past 10 years or more. Again, we benefit from a wealth of historical vaccine knowledge.


And then lastly, the risk/ benefit scenario is hugely tilted toward vaccination. COVID-19 infection has now been linked not just with acute sickness and death, but with autoimmune diseases, heart failure and many other complications that may emerge years from now. Becoming infected with the actual virus is what worries the medical field for the future long-term scenarios. The benefit from getting the vaccine, which has now been shown to be safe and effective, is a much less risky scenario than contracting the actual virus for long-term health ramifications.


And the greatest benefit of all is that of the collective good. If every individual subscribes to these vaccines, once they’re cleared by the FDA, the world will become safer again. That is, by taking the vaccine you will not only protect yourself from a grave illness, but you also will be actively protecting all the people around you, especially those too immunocompromised to be vaccinated.




Herd immunity can be achieved, and our world can return to a semblance of normalcy, but it relies upon all of us doing our part to make a better world.


See you at the clinic.


Allison Weis, Ph.D., is a microbiology postdoctoral fellow at the University of Utah School of Medicine.


https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/comme...on-weis-covid/
 
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I don't feel comfortable taking it, no. And I won't, unless I'm faced with a tough decision. For me, I'm 100% not afraid of Covid. So feel the need to take a vaccine as worthless. The risk as far as I'm concerned is the vaccine, not the virus.


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It is probably fine tbh, but why risk it if you aren't worried about the rona.

Not much reason to be persuaded to take it on the risk/reward scale

To protect others. Same with wearing a mask.

Also to protect yourself:


""Herd immunity is an inoperable plan, teetering on a false assumption of elderly-cocooning, which encourages young people to play craps with the long-term health of their internal organs. The choice is yours. You can listen to the scientists. Or you can roll the dice with your guts."

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/09/what-young-healthy-people-have-fear-covid-19/616087/

"COVID-19 now likely leading cause of death among 25-44's in USA":

"...Based on the study findings, the team concluded that COVID-19 has likely become the leading cause of death among young adults in some areas of the U.S. during the pandemic. The team also noted that in these regions, the COVID-19 related mortality is similar to the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)/ Acquired Immunodeficiency Disease Syndrome (AIDS) epidemic at its peak in the country between 1994 and 1995.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ading-cause-of-death-among-25-44s-in-USA.aspx

"Another Reason to Wear a Mask: COVID-19 May Cause Erectile Dysfunction":

https://nypost.com/2020/12/05/covid-19-could-cause-erectile-dysfunction-doc-says/

"I was infected with coronavirus in March, six months on I’m still unwell

Charlie Russell, 27, is one of an estimated 600,000 people with post-Covid illness, a condition that may give an insight into ME

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-still-unwell
 
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2 people died according to the fda



More died by lightning strikes. Which are statistically insignificant.


I have to laugh at people (largely conspiracy nut job covidiots) who are more afraid of a vaccine than the health destroying C-19.


Keep hiding under your bed from getting a needle jab ;
 
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"Few measures in public health can compare with the impact of vaccines. Vaccinations have reduced disease, disability, and death from a variety of infectious diseases. For example, in the United States, children are recommended to be vaccinated against 16 diseases (1). Table 1 highlights the impact in the United States of immunization against nine vaccine-preventable diseases, including smallpox and a complication of one of those diseases, congenital rubella syndrome, showing representative annual numbers of cases in the 20th century compared with 2016 reported cases (2, 3). All of the diseases have been reduced by more than 90% and many have either been eliminated or reductions of 99% or more have been achieved. A recent analysis of vaccines to protect against 13 diseases estimated that for a single birth cohort nearly 20 million cases of diseases were prevented, including over 40,000 deaths (4). In addition to saving the lives of our children, vaccination has resulted in net economic benefits to society amounting to almost $69 billion in the United States alone. A recent economic analysis of 10 vaccines for 94 low- and middle-income countries estimated that an investment of $34 billion for the immunization programs resulted in savings of $586 billion in reducing costs of illness and $1.53 trillion when broader economic benefits were included (5). The only human disease ever eradicated, smallpox, was eradicated using a vaccine, and a second, polio, is near eradication, also using vaccines (6, 7).

Simply put: Vaccination saves lives

"Are vaccine ingredients safe?" This opinion says yes:

"When it comes to myths about vaccines online, misinformation about vaccine ingredients is often at the forefront. Contrary to what you might read on blogs or social media, vaccines don’t contain toxins. In fact, many of the chemicals and substances found in vaccines are not only safe, they’re crucial to boosting your immune system against diseases, protect vaccines from contamination, and ensure they stay potent during storage and handling.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/vacci...atives-2633691

"What’s in Vaccines?":

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

""CDC Study: Flu Vaccine Saved 40,000 Lives During 9 Year Period...." in the USA alone:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2...aved-lives.htm

"Findings from vaccine safety monitoring systems and scientific studies have shown that the flu vaccines have a favorable safety profile. Hundreds of millions of Americans have safely received flu vaccines for more than 50 years and the body of scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports their safety."



 

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Hell yea, huge win in my family today. My girl has finally agreed there’s zero sense in getting the vaccine for me, her, or our children. Love it!
 

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Hell yea, huge win in my family today. My girl has finally agreed there’s zero sense in getting the vaccine for me, her, or our children. Love it!

You're fortunate not to have a wife that is influenced by propaganda. Good for you!
 

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That would be if you are in a strong position where you work and are a vital employee

Also if you are in position where it does not matter if you work there or not.

True. And it's also a game of chicken if employers make this mandatory. They better be ready to lose a decent number of workers if they mandate it.
 

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True. And it's also a game of chicken if employers make this mandatory. They better be ready to lose a decent number of workers if they mandate it.


They may not have much of a choice if they're put between a rock and a hard place. If it's deemed to be unsafe for people not to get the vaccine, as per the health officials,they wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on with all the "Karen's" that would be suing them, let alone officials forcing them to close their doors.
 

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Not making mine get it. Their choice

That's great. What will you do if the authorities tell you they will shut down your business if you don't comply due to a health edict. Gun waiting for them at the door or let the business fall?
 

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That's great. What will you do if the authorities tell you they will shut down your business if you don't comply due to a health edict. Gun waiting for them at the door or let the business fall?

That will not happen
 

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I'll tell him to go fuck himself
 

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