What will you do if your employer mandates taking the vaccine when available?

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Of course not. Many Fox News outlets are just as dishonest, but in the other direction. Like many things in life, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

Like I said, that's the problem. You just don't know who/what to believe anymore. For every "factual" study that comes out from any "credible" source, there's another one that disputes or contradicts it from another "credible" source. It's insane.
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Of course not. Many Fox News outlets are just as dishonest, but in the other direction. Like many things in life, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

Like I said, that's the problem. You just don't know who/what to believe anymore. For every "factual" study that comes out from any "credible" source, there's another one that disputes or contradicts it from another "credible" source. It's insane.

Have to be able to use critical thinking, discern information, honest with one self as there are many lemmings in this country. Those are the die hard right/left of the political sphere. Everything in moderation in this life/world will keep one grounded and more crystal clear thinking.
 

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Have to be able to use critical thinking, discern information, honest with one self as there are many lemmings in this country.

Sounds easy on paper. I even think I do a decent job of being able to do that.

But.. It's not that easy. When a large % of people no longer trust the government and the media, a country cannot sustain long term.

Where do you get your news? Where do you get the truth? It's not coming out of Joe Biden's mouth. It's not coming out of David Muir's mouth. I mean, I like Tucker Carlson (I'm a conservative. Duh) and watch him because of his perspective outside the mainstream. But even he stretches things to fit a narrative many times. Which of course can call into question his credibility.

It's not as easy as you seem to find "truth" anymore. And the scariest part right now, is censorship. Dissenting opinions and discussions are being shut down. That's very dangerous for a "democracy".
 

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This is exactly how I feel about it…

I don’t really care either way…

All these “patriot warriors” are just as stupid as the “woke warriors” just 2 sides running their mouth till shit hits the fan and the majority of both will get on their knees…

These same dumb ass people who argue for and against the jab are the same folks that eat preserved food from grocery stores and McDonald’s…That poison is ok for their bodies but the jab is something different…LoL give me a fucking break…

But let me guess Matty you only eat meat you kill and vegetables you grow in your own garden?…Not in that shitty ass soil in SC.

I hope it never comes to that type of outreach either…

But just for shits and giggles I kinda hope it does I’m ready to see who the real Patriots are…

shitty ass soil in SC?! Lmao, we have one of the longest growing seasons in the States. Do I eat everything I grow and kill, no, not hardly, but my family does own a farm, and I’m an avid outdoorsman who’s pretty sufficient at hunting and fishing, so that helps… :) If you think I live at McDonald’s or on processed foods, well, we’ll just cough that up to another thing you’re wrong and misinformed about…

I’ve been a huge advocate for exercise, proper nutrition, and work, the body is meant to be in motion, move!! But, in this obese Nation that we live in, nobody wants to talk or hear about that, they’d rather sit on their asses and look for a handout…

I couldn’t careless if anyone gets the so called vaccine, I’m not mad at cha, I just know it’s not for me, it’s just simply not needed.
 

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Sounds easy on paper. I even think I do a decent job of being able to do that.

But.. It's not that easy. When a large % of people no longer trust the government and the media, a country cannot sustain long term.

Where do you get your news? Where do you get the truth? It's not coming out of Joe Biden's mouth. It's not coming out of David Muir's mouth. I mean, I like Tucker Carlson (I'm a conservative. Duh) and watch him because of his perspective outside the mainstream. But even he stretches things to fit a narrative many times. Which of course can call into question his credibility.

It's not as easy as you seem to find "truth" anymore. And the scariest part right now, is censorship. Dissenting opinions and discussions are being shut down. That's very dangerous for a "democracy".

You got that right.
 

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Whatever money you’re willing to lose as well that I never take it…

Do you think they'll mandate it at your job? By the sound of it, probably not. If so many people you work with are against it, I doubt your employer mandates it. That sounds bad for business

No if your employer does, I would recommend taking it unless you are comfortable losing your job
 

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To put this in perspective:


Average deaths per day in America:
Cardiovascular diseases: 2,380
Cancer: 1,600
Stroke: 400
Covid 7 day average: 321


The hysteria is out of proportion to the risk and the government demand to take the vaccine is out of proportion to COVID's lethality.

What would that death count be for a 7-day Covid average be if such a large percentage of the population wasn't vaccinated?

Not trying to be an ass, just asking what you think
 

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I disagree. It would look way different than a Civil War in the traditional sense, but I can think of different scenarios where shit hits the fan.

I think it would be more of state/local movements against the Feds. Urban vs Rural. Etc. This is one of the main reasons for the Defund the Police movements. They don't want local law enforcement to have any power. They want to squash any possible resistance before it can happen.

We could possibly see these local bands/pockets of resistance attacking Federal buildings, large woke corporations, etc. Fighting back against any of the powers that the resistance feels is a threat to their freedoms that are continually being stripped.



If things continue to go down this current path. I believe things could possible reach a boiling point.

Respectfully, state agencies will not attack the Feds, look what happened 1/6 for just walking into the Capitol building. And no rural dwellers will attack cities, again, who would they attack? The Dems will use every weapon available... legal and military. They are thorough, funded, organized, and ruthless.

You need to think it through more thoroughly. Civil War and secessions are both impossible in the current environment if you think logically and knowledgably.
 

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Respectfully, state agencies will not attack the Feds

Not officially. But that doesn't mean local police, fire, etc won't band together and organize. I'm personally not involved in anything like that in my area. But I 100% know it's already going on in my community. These groups are meeting on the down low. Mostly made up of local police, first responders, veterans, etc.
 

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Do you think they'll mandate it at your job? By the sound of it, probably not. If so many people you work with are against it, I doubt your employer mandates it. That sounds bad for business

No if your employer does, I would recommend taking it unless you are comfortable losing your job

I doubt it. Maybe for most of the salary folks because they’re younger (not me) and more of the gullible type, but most likely not, I think they know better…

I am prepared to walk, but it’s not on my mind because I doubt it happens, but my mind is already made up what I will do regardless.
 

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secessions are both impossible in the current environment if you think logically and knowledgably.

I agree with secession, for the most part. Even in red states, the urban centers are blue in most areas. So it doesn't seem feasible.

Theres only a few states that are so predominantly Red that would even have enough agreement to even try it. Maybe like a South Dakota.
 

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And no rural dwellers will attack cities, again, who would they attack?

I already told you. Federal buildings. Corporate America (for example Google, Facebook, etc).

I don't think we are anywhere close to this happening. But could see scenarios where civil unrest with the federal government gets so bad, that things come to a boiling point and the people rise up and fight back.
 

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There's a reason why Biden and all the Left cronies are saying things like.. "The greatest current threat to our nation is domestic terrorism and white supremacy."

Which is basically them saying.. "The greatest current threat to our nation is conservatives that stand up for their Civil Liberties." That's exactly what they mean when they say that. They hate middle class America and want to demonize them as many ways as they can.
 

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There's a reason why Biden and all the Left cronies are saying things like.. "The greatest current threat to our nation is domestic terrorism and white supremacy."

Which is basically them saying.. "The greatest current threat to our nation is conservatives that stand up for their Civil Liberties." That's exactly what they mean when they say that. They hate middle class America and want to demonize them as many ways as they can.


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This is straight from the CDC - 75% of those infected were vaccinated - the vaccine vaguely works at slowing the spread - maybe it lessens the symptoms but who knows


Published Friday by the CDC, the study said 469 Covid-19 cases were identified in Massachusetts residents who had traveled to Barnstable County -- which includes Provincetown -- between July 3 and July 17. The cases were associated with "multiple summer events and large public gatherings," the CDC said.

Roughly three-quarters of those cases were among fully vaccinated people, a finding that suggests inoculated people can also spread the virus, including the dangerous Delta variant that's been fueling the country's latest surge. There were five hospitalizations associated with the outbreak -- four of whom were fully vaccinated people -- and no deaths reported, the CDC study said.
 

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This is straight from the CDC - 75% of those infected were vaccinated - the vaccine vaguely works at slowing the spread - maybe it lessens the symptoms but who knows


Published Friday by the CDC, the study said 469 Covid-19 cases were identified in Massachusetts residents who had traveled to Barnstable County -- which includes Provincetown -- between July 3 and July 17. The cases were associated with "multiple summer events and large public gatherings," the CDC said.

Roughly three-quarters of those cases were among fully vaccinated people, a finding that suggests inoculated people can also spread the virus, including the dangerous Delta variant that's been fueling the country's latest surge. There were five hospitalizations associated with the outbreak -- four of whom were fully vaccinated people -- and no deaths reported, the CDC study said.

This truth goes exactly against what Fauci said again this weekend. Something like… The only way to prevent this variant from running wild is through vaccinations.

And based on the CDC data, thats a bold faced lie. These people in charge have lost all credibility whatsoever.
 

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This truth goes exactly against what Fauci said again this weekend. Something like… The only way to prevent this variant from running wild is through vaccinations.

And based on the CDC data, thats a bold faced lie. These people in charge have lost all credibility whatsoever.

Well now it's not going to be about the newest variant rapidly spreading - he will be touting you prevent urself from ending up in the hospital (which remains to be seen) - I believe the vaccines work well against most of the covid viruses but not the delta variant which seems to be most prevalent now
 

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There's a reason why Biden and all the Left cronies are saying things like.. "The greatest current threat to our nation is domestic terrorism and white supremacy."

Which is basically them saying.. "The greatest current threat to our nation is conservatives that stand up for their Civil Liberties." That's exactly what they mean when they say that. They hate middle class America and want to demonize them as many ways as they can.

Yep yep.
 

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Urban people tend to think that there can be a civil war, they do not sense the reality, have a false sense of security, since the threats (riots) have not reached them. They say they are organizing but then do nothing.
6-8 months in Portland, I did not see anybody go in and help the police and the innocent civilians from being assaulted. There was footage of the good old boys poised for action with their rifles in their small towns but they did nothing.
Yes they will defend their small towns but nobody has, or probably will, move to the urban areas and riot in those towns.
They have wives & families & jobs & homes & 401Ks & businesses & friends: too much to lose to go into a real city and take actions against the feds or anybody else and deal with the US Military and DOJ... not gonna happen. We need to think about what can be done, realistically.
There is more to say but I am finished with this thread, this idea, just hoping to help.
 

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They have wives & families & jobs & homes & 401Ks & businesses & friends: too much to lose to go into a real city and take actions against the feds or anybody else and deal with the US Military and DOJ... not gonna happen. We need to think about what can be done, realistically.

In the current state of things, I agree with you. I'm looking down the road on how bad things could get. Seems a little far fetched, but what if down the road vaccines are federally mandated? Can't work without one. Can't go grocery shopping. Can't do much of anything. Now these guys with their families, wives, homes, and 401k's cant work and support their families.

Then what? Just one possible scenario that I don't think is way out there in the realm of possibility. People aren't going to fight back against the Federal government if they have too much to lose. But what if there comes a point in time when they have little to lose? That's when the tipping point comes and shit could hit the fan.
 

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