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givem6, enough of this argumentive posting in these threads by Conan. I am giving just this one warnning to kindly stop.


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I like most of them (just looking over it) ... but I disagree with the Oregon St play. I like Cinncy in that one. Good luck this week conan
 

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Just one interesting footnote on the SMU/WSU pick...

I'm not sure who knows it, but June Jones is now SMU's HC. So in a way, SMU is Hawaii II for the Coogs to tussle with. This is JJ's 2nd year at the helm. I think perhaps by now some of him will have rubbed off on his new team.

Wulff might get one more year to turn things around, but so far his progress is not looking like much.
 

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linear would be seeing how ineffective Utah was vs the Spartans last week who have an underratated defnse

its utah or nothing

how could anyone lay money on chip kelly
 

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linear would be seeing how ineffective Utah was vs the Spartans last week who have an underratated defnse

its utah or nothing

how could anyone lay money on chip kelly

I assume that you mean about the Spartan defense is an overrated defense because they aren't as good as the hype? Just to make sure I know what you mean. And if so, sure, there are a lot of ways to look at where things are at now, in a linear sense and nonlinear too, even trans-phasic iso-nonlinear. I don't know everything about them nor does anyone, even themselves probably, but their continuity over the past few years is decent.

I know the history of the Utes when they come here and they have consistently been a formidable opponent... at least in the Northwest. So bascally we agree that it's Utah or nothing. And like you probably do, I think the Ducks and Chip Kelly will check in and play their game sooner or later, but there is little question that Masoli and his brand new crew of skill position players are not playing together as a unit at this point.
 

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I was on Purdue this saturday night, until I see something out of their defense I will play against the Ducks

You say the offense will eventually gel, and you are closer to the situation then I am....

and no I meant the Spartan is indeed underrated but I dont think many have them on any map...

But what most saw is the Utes could only put up said amount of points

I had the Utes and the end of that game was fishy :)

Utes defense is undervalued as well IMO
 

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...and just to put a tag on the end of the total Duck picture, names excluded, they may be replacing a lot of players on their offense, but the nucleus of the team that put OSU in their place in the last Holiday Bowl is still there. Masoli is at the heart of Chip Kelly's offense. But the players around him in his rushing game needed to be replaced and it doesn't all come back together in a lick. It took them 2 months to get rolling last season but they had more seniors but also a parade of QB's that went down early.

Rebuilding their offense has been done before, even as recently as last season and you saw what the final product was after Kelly had enough time to work out the bugs with his players. He's done that with every group of athletes he's had up to now at Oregon and I don't see why it would be correct to expect anything different... in time... how much? A month, 6 or 7 weeks? I don't know the answer to that.
 

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I was on Purdue this saturday night, until I see something out of their defense I will play against the Ducks

You say the offense will eventually gel, and you are closer to the situation then I am....

and no I meant the Spartan is indeed underrated but I dont think many have them on any map...

But what most saw is the Utes could only put up said amount of points

I had the Utes and the end of that game was fishy :)

Utes defense is undervalued as well IMO

Yessir. A lot of reasons to consider the Utes here and if anything, you've strengthened their case. You probably realize that it often takes offenses longer to gel than defenses. Depends on how much returning experience they have. So Oregon is the way it is.

And one more detail, Wittingham has done pretty well for himself picking up after Urban Meyer left Utah. That's part of the Utah's consistency I was talking about. I don't see much fall off other than the usual graduation and time spent coaching up their new recruits.

They even beat Alabama better than your boys. :)
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good to see you Oregawn State, Corvalis is a 6 point home field adv IMO

havent played it yet, however all the world remembers is Pike and Kellys offense crushing Rutgers and putting up 70 this week

Riley and Kelly are both great coaches but I lean Beavers
 

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good to see you Oregawn State, Corvalis is a 6 point home field adv IMO

havent played it yet, however all the world remembers is Pike and Kellys offense crushing Rutgers and putting up 70 this week

Riley and Kelly are both great coaches but I lean Beavers

Truedat.

Kelly's guys wind up in high places often. He's another very good coach in another non major-market school that shows its cajones most years.

But Riley is one of my favorite coaches. I like him and his staff too. His OC was his buddy in HS and he hired him away from Corvallis High's football team where he was their HC. It's all in the family. Local Corvallis family.

His DC Mark Banker has also been a well guarded secret. Their defense is also underrated this year. Last year with 7 new starters including the whole DL, three of them are playing on Sundays, and that was only 2 DE's and a CB that come to mind. They had 7 drafted all told. In the meantime they were coaching up and rotating in the next batch of future Sunday players. And so on and so on... All of them had 3 stars or less out of HS.

The Beavers have a way of showing up out of nowhere. If it wasn't for Quizz, few would even know anything about them. Last season in W3 they nearly beat Utah @ Utah, so maybe their reputation for having slow starts isn't as bad as it looks.
 

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Has Oregon St played any ranked teams from BCS conferences during that OOC win streak? don't get me wrong, Oreg St is my favorite team in the Pac 10 because they are so frequently undervalued, but I think UC has something special going here and I just do see how Oreg St is going to cover 4 very athletic receivers consistently for 50 passing attempts. Big number here, and I think UC pulls it out, but BOL to you regardless.
 

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What do you know about the QB for UCLA this week?? For some reason I got banned....no idea why???

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Conan I respect you like no other here at RX but I beg you rethink the Cincy play ... PIKE is a manimal ...

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Conan I respect you like no other here at RX but I beg you rethink the Cincy play ... PIKE is a manimal ...

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Well I just saw Inside the Polls on ESPNU and apparently Tommy Tuberville has gotten into my Beaver kool-aide. He thinks Cincy will find themselves facing a buzz saw at Reser. But the announcer did say the pundits (including Tubberville) could use a little shot of credibility this week. So even if I'm wrong, I'm still elite because I agree with him.

Now as some say in the SEC, STFU.

(jk) :103631605

By the way, I'm still waiting on someone who can give me a good rundown of UC's rushing defense. Oregon St. can play ball control and keep away with a very proficient ground and pound game. At least give that idea look first, also not forgetting their LB's including probably the best if not one of the best in the conference (Kirstick) and 2 DE's that can rush the passer as good as any you will see.
 

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Has Oregon St played any ranked teams from BCS conferences during that OOC win streak? don't get me wrong, Oreg St is my favorite team in the Pac 10 because they are so frequently undervalued, but I think UC has something special going here and I just do see how Oreg St is going to cover 4 very athletic receivers consistently for 50 passing attempts. Big number here, and I think UC pulls it out, but BOL to you regardless.

Thanks tread, I appreciate your input very much.

Oregon St.'s opponents of note they beat in that streak were Utah and Boise St. Most big schools won't do a home/home with them because the stadium has only like 40,000 seats.

Any idea how well Cincy travels, long trips etc.??
 

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What do you know about the QB for UCLA this week?? For some reason I got banned....no idea why???

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It will either be Richard Brehaut a freshman or Kevin Craft who was picked off something like 30 times last year. Norm Chow's thinking is that Craft couldn't possibly do that again with some protection that he never got last season.... but I dunno about that myself. He spent a lot of time missing his targets but he did get hot on a few occasions. Probably going to see both of them play. I think the Brus are going to do a lot more running this week than before.
 

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It will either be Richard Brehaut a freshman or Kevin Craft who was picked off something like 30 times last year. Norm Chow's thinking is that Craft couldn't possibly do that again with some protection that he never got last season.... but I dunno about that myself. He spent a lot of time missing his targets but he did get hot on a few occasions. Probably going to see both of them play. I think the Brus are going to do a lot more running this week than before.



Tough to find any details on this one, so I figured you might know something a little more than most guys out there. Thanks. Good luck this week.
 

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Cincy Rush Defense: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/247500-2009-bearcat-football-preview

On Defense:

The first thing everyone notices about this Bearcat defense is everything they lost. Gone are drafted secondary members Mike Mickens, DeAngelo Smith, and Brandon Underwood. Gone is Big East sack leader and second round draft pick Conner Barwin. Gone is All American Defensive Tackle Terrill Byrd.

All told the Bearcats lost 10 of 11 starters. Also missing is Bearcat defensive coordinator Joe Tressey with his 4-3 zone defense and in his place steps Bob Diaco with his aggressive 3-4. Truth be told this Cincinnati defense could not at first glance look any more different from the 2008 version that helped lead the Bearcats to a Big East Championship.

The good news is this may not be as bad as it appears. The Bearcats appear to have a big, strong, and fast defensive line. Every player returning contributed positively last season. By all accounts Derek Wolfe has been an imposing force throughout camp.

At 6'5 and over 300 pounds Wolfe offers a combination of size and skill that has been rarely seen on the Bearcat defensive line. He seems ideally situated to be a force at nose tackle.

Combined with other strong, athletic players like John Hughes, Rob Trigg, Ricardo Mathews, Alex Daniels and Dan Giordano I have little doubt the Bearcat defensive line will be able to occupy offensive lineman and allow the linebackers plenty of opportunities to make plays. Any added pressure these guys can put on the quarterback will be a complete bonus for the defense.

With the defensive lineman making life very difficult on opposing offenses it should free up space for the linebackers and safeties to make plays. The starting safeties for Cincinnati are ideally suited to do just that. Aaron Webster was great against the run last season. He was consistently in on tackles, delivering big hits, without allowing big yards.

When healthy, Bearcat coaches have been very impressed with the play of Drew Frey and I have little doubt he will be very solid in run defense.

Linebacker is a position with far more questions, but lets start with the good news. The outside linebacker position in the 3-4 defense seems like an ideal place to showcase the skills of Curtis Young. Young was somewhat limited in action last season playing behind all Big East defensive end Conner Barwin, but in that limited action he yielded four sacks and 8.5 tackles for a loss.

Young is the type of player who can line up with his hand on the ground at more of a defensive end position and can play straight up like a linebacker. I look for him to be disruptive in opposing backfields all season long.

Andre Revels becomes the full time starter for the first time in his career at middle linebacker. Revels has been solid essentially splitting time with Manalac 50-50 over the past two season.

The rest of the Bearcat linebacking corp does not lack for strength or athleticism.

Former quarterback Demetrius Jones may be the most athletic player on the Bearcat roster. Craig Carey and Marcus Waugh have also taken their abilities and moved to the defensive side of the football.

Players like Colin McCafferty, J.K. Schaffer, Robby Armstrong and Dorian Davis will get their chance to make plays. These linebackers probably have more athletic ability than last years and I think this will translate into players who perform strongly against the run all season.

Which brings me to the big question for the Bearcat defense... pass defense.

How well will these linebackers, playing in a completely new system and starting for the first time be able to understand and execute the pass defenses Bob Diaco asks them to play? If the Bearcat defense is going to struggle to me this is the obvious area that will give them problems.

Beyond the linebackers, will the Bearcats be able to adequately replace the contributions NFL bound Mickens, Smith and Underwood were able to give them?

I have a great deal of confidence in Dominique Battle because he was able to do it on the field late last season. Brad Jones has the experience and the size, but he has not been asked to be a full time corner before... will he be up to the task?

The Bearcats will need Battle, Jones and some of the other young cornerbacks like Reubon Johnson, MJ James, Chris Williams, and Camerron Cheetham to step up in a big way if they are going to repeat as Big East Champions.

All in all I feel very good about the Bearcat run defense and see some obvious questions when it comes to their pass defense. If the Bearcats can answer those concerns they can be every bit as good, if not better than last years championship squad.
 

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