<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
All I know is that I thank the good Lord every night that I'm equipt like a black man instead of like The Shrink.
Dicky's wife is also thankful
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On a serious note however, I believe all of our moderators are very sensitive to the feelings of others, and we really try our best to make everyone feel good about being here, White, Jewish, Green, or Black...
We do not tolerate what some other places feed off because it is not right imo...
Please let us know if there is something we are not doing well and I will personally see to it that it gets done better...
Thanks,
Ken
All I know is that I thank the good Lord every night that I'm equipt like a black man instead of like The Shrink.
Dicky's wife is also thankful
On a serious note however, I believe all of our moderators are very sensitive to the feelings of others, and we really try our best to make everyone feel good about being here, White, Jewish, Green, or Black...
We do not tolerate what some other places feed off because it is not right imo...
Please let us know if there is something we are not doing well and I will personally see to it that it gets done better...
Thanks,
Ken
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Judge Wapner:
Blue,good to see you around.FB must be getting close. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thanks judge. looking forward to foots. you back in business by any chance? the info you provide is priceless...especially in foots.
Blue,good to see you around.FB must be getting close. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
thanks judge. looking forward to foots. you back in business by any chance? the info you provide is priceless...especially in foots.
I have a problem with this thread.First off the title should read we should respect the poster.It almost seems you were looking to start a heated debate.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Beleive me, your son has a much better chance in today's society than a black person's son. Yes even today. & Yes, even if he needs to get A+ & the black kid only needs a C. Your son still has a far greater chance at success... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have to disagree.There are many successful black people in this country today.My cousin is a contractor and has been having a tougher time the last few years getting municipal contracts because he is a white male.They are looking for minority and women owned companies.Today there are great opprotunitys for black people the same as any other race it is just up to the person themselve to have the drive to become successful.Imo nobody should be given preferential treatment.Racism and slavery were bad however my family was not even here during that time they were still in Italy squashing tomatos with their toes.So why should we have jobs taken from us?Every race and ethnicity has been through racism and descrimination.My grandfather was beaten by Irish cops numerous times.Granted we never experienced anything as bad as slavery but you know what that was many years ago and everybody today has equal rights and we need to stop using excuses and holding on to the past and look forward.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Blue,I do think it's ok for a black man to use the word and innapropriate for a white man to.Double standard,maybe <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Let me ask you something why is it ok for them to call us crackers and honkeys so openly and its just OK?I used to work in black neighboorhoods here in Chicago and if I told you what I went through you wouldn't believe it.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Beleive me, your son has a much better chance in today's society than a black person's son. Yes even today. & Yes, even if he needs to get A+ & the black kid only needs a C. Your son still has a far greater chance at success... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have to disagree.There are many successful black people in this country today.My cousin is a contractor and has been having a tougher time the last few years getting municipal contracts because he is a white male.They are looking for minority and women owned companies.Today there are great opprotunitys for black people the same as any other race it is just up to the person themselve to have the drive to become successful.Imo nobody should be given preferential treatment.Racism and slavery were bad however my family was not even here during that time they were still in Italy squashing tomatos with their toes.So why should we have jobs taken from us?Every race and ethnicity has been through racism and descrimination.My grandfather was beaten by Irish cops numerous times.Granted we never experienced anything as bad as slavery but you know what that was many years ago and everybody today has equal rights and we need to stop using excuses and holding on to the past and look forward.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Blue,I do think it's ok for a black man to use the word and innapropriate for a white man to.Double standard,maybe <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Let me ask you something why is it ok for them to call us crackers and honkeys so openly and its just OK?I used to work in black neighboorhoods here in Chicago and if I told you what I went through you wouldn't believe it.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lander:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pokerR:
your retarded for starting this post......
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That should be, "you're retarded", Corky. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pokerR:
your retarded for starting this post......
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That should be, "you're retarded", Corky. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NICKYTHEFISH:
...SNIP
I have to disagree.There are many successful black people in this country today.My cousin is a contractor and has been having a tougher time the last few years getting municipal contracts because he is a white male.They are looking for minority and women owned companies.Today there are great opprotunitys for black people the same as any other race it is just up to the person themselve to have the drive to become successful.Imo nobody should be given preferential treatment.Racism and slavery were bad however my family was not even here during that time they were still in Italy squashing tomatos with their toes.So why should we have jobs taken from us?Every race and ethnicity has been through racism and descrimination
.....SNIP <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nickythefish-
Some of what you say is true. There are plenty of successful African-Americans in this country however the majority of them were up against odds that only a gambler could appreciate.
There is preferential treatment when it comes to governmental contracts etc. due to the clubby and discriminatory nature of the process years earlier which excluded women and African-Americans. The affirmative action policies in place for contract work is an attempt to level the playing field.
With regard to college admission, in most cases there are no "affirmative action" policies in place. Institutions have decided that their educational environments are better with diverse classrooms. Additionally, universities are trying to level the playing field given that historically, applicants were given preference related to legacies and recommendations coming from alumni on top of the fact that African-Americans did not have the same benefits as others. Given the atrocities committed against African-Americans these applicants were discriminated against since their parents and grandparents were working in fields while they competed against folks whose parents worked in offices or on manufacturing lines.
I work in an industry where I see preferential treatment constantly but not the kind discussed here. To see an African-American succeed here is rare and usually he knows his stuff. On a related note, in fact, one of the firms in my field recently settled with a group of women due to a claim of discrimination. I'm shocked that there aren't similar lawsuits from African-Americans.
My point here is the system is not perfect. African-Americans face discrimination frequently. There are places and situations where discrimination is minimal but there are many others where discrimination is alive and well. Your cousin is dealing with the fact that African-Americans and women experienced the same thing he is years earlier and the municipality is trying to reverse the mistakes of the past (not his but those made by the folks who used to run the agency previously) AND ensure that everyone gets a fair shake. Until this country gets to a point where people of all ethnicities in ALL industries, schools, etc. are not discriminated against you will have people in power who create policies (and in some cases laws) to ensure diversity and to minimize the negative results of those in other positions of power who are racist or discriminate. To date, no one has come up with a better system to ensure that someone working at a corporation or assigning a contract or admitting students does not fail to give an opportunity to a better qualified Afican-American because he is a "filthy ni**er" or to a woman because they "hate working for a PMSing bi*ch."
Here at the RX, racism does pop up. Not because the Rx promotes it or has a ripe environment for it but because the people here represent the population. Unfortunately, there is a decent portion of the population who are racist and others who could care less if someone else is racist as long as the remarks do not offend or are direct at them.
...SNIP
I have to disagree.There are many successful black people in this country today.My cousin is a contractor and has been having a tougher time the last few years getting municipal contracts because he is a white male.They are looking for minority and women owned companies.Today there are great opprotunitys for black people the same as any other race it is just up to the person themselve to have the drive to become successful.Imo nobody should be given preferential treatment.Racism and slavery were bad however my family was not even here during that time they were still in Italy squashing tomatos with their toes.So why should we have jobs taken from us?Every race and ethnicity has been through racism and descrimination
.....SNIP <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nickythefish-
Some of what you say is true. There are plenty of successful African-Americans in this country however the majority of them were up against odds that only a gambler could appreciate.
There is preferential treatment when it comes to governmental contracts etc. due to the clubby and discriminatory nature of the process years earlier which excluded women and African-Americans. The affirmative action policies in place for contract work is an attempt to level the playing field.
With regard to college admission, in most cases there are no "affirmative action" policies in place. Institutions have decided that their educational environments are better with diverse classrooms. Additionally, universities are trying to level the playing field given that historically, applicants were given preference related to legacies and recommendations coming from alumni on top of the fact that African-Americans did not have the same benefits as others. Given the atrocities committed against African-Americans these applicants were discriminated against since their parents and grandparents were working in fields while they competed against folks whose parents worked in offices or on manufacturing lines.
I work in an industry where I see preferential treatment constantly but not the kind discussed here. To see an African-American succeed here is rare and usually he knows his stuff. On a related note, in fact, one of the firms in my field recently settled with a group of women due to a claim of discrimination. I'm shocked that there aren't similar lawsuits from African-Americans.
My point here is the system is not perfect. African-Americans face discrimination frequently. There are places and situations where discrimination is minimal but there are many others where discrimination is alive and well. Your cousin is dealing with the fact that African-Americans and women experienced the same thing he is years earlier and the municipality is trying to reverse the mistakes of the past (not his but those made by the folks who used to run the agency previously) AND ensure that everyone gets a fair shake. Until this country gets to a point where people of all ethnicities in ALL industries, schools, etc. are not discriminated against you will have people in power who create policies (and in some cases laws) to ensure diversity and to minimize the negative results of those in other positions of power who are racist or discriminate. To date, no one has come up with a better system to ensure that someone working at a corporation or assigning a contract or admitting students does not fail to give an opportunity to a better qualified Afican-American because he is a "filthy ni**er" or to a woman because they "hate working for a PMSing bi*ch."
Here at the RX, racism does pop up. Not because the Rx promotes it or has a ripe environment for it but because the people here represent the population. Unfortunately, there is a decent portion of the population who are racist and others who could care less if someone else is racist as long as the remarks do not offend or are direct at them.
swami, there is no doubt that racism exists in this country. i grew up in chicago and saw it first hand. my high school was about 25% black and there were flare ups all the time. i felt bad about it and thought it was wrong when it happened.
however, i think what nick is saying is that most people (there are a few exceptions) avoid comments that offend black people...especially the "n" word. but, almost no one thinks its a big deal to offend white people...especially when black people are the ones doing it.
remember dusty baker's comments last year about how white players can't take the heat of the summer? how about when shaq made fun of yao ming by imitating a chinese accent?
i was not personally offended by these instances but i gotta tell ya, there is a big time double standard going on!
can you imagine what would happen if jim thome started making fun of jimmy rollins by imitating a home boy accent and wearing braids? everyone would be all over him so fast.
i am a white male so, i am in the majority in america. it seems that people can say whatever they want about the majority and get away with it. but, if you take on a minority, heads will roll (unless its a minority taking on another minority, then its a wash).
however, i think what nick is saying is that most people (there are a few exceptions) avoid comments that offend black people...especially the "n" word. but, almost no one thinks its a big deal to offend white people...especially when black people are the ones doing it.
remember dusty baker's comments last year about how white players can't take the heat of the summer? how about when shaq made fun of yao ming by imitating a chinese accent?
i was not personally offended by these instances but i gotta tell ya, there is a big time double standard going on!
can you imagine what would happen if jim thome started making fun of jimmy rollins by imitating a home boy accent and wearing braids? everyone would be all over him so fast.
i am a white male so, i am in the majority in america. it seems that people can say whatever they want about the majority and get away with it. but, if you take on a minority, heads will roll (unless its a minority taking on another minority, then its a wash).
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dante:
good to see you bumping around Swami....you going to be in vegas for the bash? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks Dante.....
I'm in and out around here. I don't have too much time for sports or poker right now.
Regarding the bash, this thread is indicative of one of the reasons I will not attend the bash.
good to see you bumping around Swami....you going to be in vegas for the bash? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks Dante.....
I'm in and out around here. I don't have too much time for sports or poker right now.
Regarding the bash, this thread is indicative of one of the reasons I will not attend the bash.
