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k....but you'd be okay, in said setting, to tell her to speak to her M.D about a possible drug switch for financial savings? really?

Yes I would, the lady is obese, she isn't going to be losing weight anytime soon or it would of happened already. In this situation the patient may go off her medication due to price, asking a doctor about alternatives maybe prudent
 

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But the part I can't stand in the conservative base blaming Obama for everything. I would like conservatives to come up with a republican who has the people's best interest in mind. Maybe Scott Walker but none of these politicians do. I have not been here long enough but what was the conservatives opinion on Bush before Obama. Was it a positive backing or did the conservatives call him what he is a true cocksucker.

Blaming Obama for everything. Well his nose is in everything but Obamacare is his baby, his signature piece of law. Nobody else to blame but him. Obamacare shows better than anything else how incompetent Obama is in terms of leadership and in seeing things through to completion. What you don't get is that you mix up republicans and conservatives and throw them in the same barrell. Are all Democrats the same. Many of us on here are not Republicans, we are simply fiscal conservatives. We see the role of the governement as minimal with the main obligation to the people (taxpayers) being not to spend more money than we have. The Republican party is the only alternative to the big government spending Democratic party. The Libertarians Party is not a viable option. I personally do not agree with everything the Repubicans do or did and the same with the Libertarians. But....they are the only option to a party (Democratic) that I oppose. Obama is a solicialist and everything he does is to advance that. What Bush has to do with any of this is beyond me. Bush took ungodly heat from the lame stream and the lame stream where as Obama gets a pass. What we say on this forum is inconsequential. No one on this forum is going to have their mind changed on important issues by an opposing post. It is more like blowing off steam. Forget Bush, he is not relevant. We are being lead by a socialist who is taking us in a direction that is detrimental to the best interests of this country as we used to know it. You are naive to say the least if you think Obama has the best interesrs of the people in mind. Have you dug into his background and connected the dots? If not than naivity is not an excuse because it is all right there for all to see. Just consider the vast difference in what Scott Walker has done "for" his state as opposed to what Obama has "to" this country. Obama has divided this country like no POTUS before him and a time when we most need true leadership Obama is AWOL. But that is just me.
 
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Blaming Obama for everything. Well his nose is in everything but Obamacare is his baby, his signature piece of law. Nobody else to blame but him. Obamacare shows better than anything else how incompetent Obama is in terms of leadership and in seeing things through to completion. What you don't get is that you mix up republicans and conservatives and throw them in the same barrell. Are all Democrats the same. Many of us on here are not Republicans, we are simply fiscal conservatives. We see the role of the governement as minimal with the main obligation to the people (taxpayers) being not to spend more money than we have. The Republican party is the only alternative to the big government spending Democratic party. The Libertarians Party is not a viable option. I personally do not agree with everything the Repubicans do or did and the same with the Libertarians. But....they are the only option to a party (Democratic) that I oppose. Obama is a solicialist and everything he does is to advance that. What Bush has to do with any of this is beyond me. Bush took ungodly heat from the lame stream and the lame stream where as Obama gets a pass. What we say on this forum is inconsequential. No one on this forum is going to have their mind changed on important issues by an opposing post. It is more like blowing off steam. Forget Bush, he is not relevant. We are being lead by a socialist who is taking us in a direction that is detrimental to the best interests of this country as we used to know it. You are naive to say the least if you think Obama has the best interesrs of the people in mind. Have you dug into his background and connected the dots? If not than naivity is not an excuse because it is all right there for all to see. Just consider the vast difference in what Scott Walker has done "for" his state as opposed to what Obama has "to" this country. Obama has divided this country like no POTUS before him and a time when we most need true leadership Obama is AWOL. But that is just me.

I realize that not every conservative is a republican but you do agree with most republican social issues though as well from what I have read. My point was to blame Bush on everything, my point was.. I hope the same people who are bashing Obama on this forum were bashing Bush as well. As for Obamacare everyone has already called it a failure already. Gee whiz lets just see where it goes. I think it has some good wrinkles but man they do need to fine tune it. If they come up with a way to make it better it can become a success, as it stands now, I have my doubts. Rome wasn't built in a day. Trust me there are a lot of issues I have with Obama
 

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I realize that not every conservative is a republican but you do agree with most republican social issues though as well from what I have read. My point was to blame Bush on everything, my point was.. I hope the same people who are bashing Obama on this forum were bashing Bush as well. As for Obamacare everyone has already called it a failure already. Gee whiz lets just see where it goes. I think it has some good wrinkles but man they do need to fine tune it. If they come up with a way to make it better it can become a success, as it stands now, I have my doubts. Rome wasn't built in a day. Trust me there are a lot of issues I have with Obama

Rome wasn't built in a day but Obama is running this country into the ground on a daily basis. He will have had 2,920 days of doing this before he leaves office. If you do not understand that Obama is dividing this country and doing it on purpose then you do not understand the difference between Bush and Obama. Everything with Obama is about politics and that was not the case with Bush. I did not defend Bush on here but even if I had I would have given up had he tried to divide this country as Obama has.

You still have not said if you have checked out Obama's past using non-lame stream sources and connected the obvious dots to those who got him where he has. Until you have done that you are just missing the whole point. You have to know where he has been to know where he is going. I do not lump you in with the tards who defend Obama on a daily basis but I would like to know if you have looked into Obama's past. It is critical. Anyone who has and continues to defend him at every turn is on board, plain and simple. Those who are looking for a few good things he has done to offset the many bad things he has done just don't get it. He has an agenda and it has seeped into his administration and even into the IRS. If you haven't done the background check then please keep in mind that I have. It is very disturbing to say the least.
 
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Rome wasn't built in a day but Obama is running this country into the ground on a daily basis. He will have had 2,920 days of doing this before he leaves office. If you do not understand that Obama is dividing this country and doing it on purpose then you do not understand the difference between Bush and Obama. Everything with Obama is about politics and that was not the case with Bush. I did not defend Bush on here but even if I had I would have given up had he tried to divide this country as Obama has.

You still have not said if you have checked out Obama's past using non-lame stream sources and connected the obvious dots to those who got him where he has. Until you have done that you are just missing the whole point. You have to know where he has been to know where he is going. I do not lump you in with the tards who defend Obama on a daily basis but I would like to know if you have looked into Obama's past. It is critical. Anyone who has and continues to defend him at every turn is on board, plain and simple. Those who are looking for a few good things he has done to offset the many bad things he has done just don't get it. He has an agenda and it has seeped into his administration and even into the IRS. If you haven't done the background check then please keep in mind that I have. It is very disturbing to say the least.

I will look into this at some point this week.
 

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Blaming Obama for everything. Well his nose is in everything but Obamacare is his baby, his signature piece of law. Nobody else to blame but him. Obamacare shows better than anything else how incompetent Obama is in terms of leadership and in seeing things through to completion.

Game, set, match.

I've said it before and will reiterate for the umpteenth time for our purple friend...

The ACA was entirely a dim idea...from conception to implementation. Dims insisted it was passed before anyone had a chance to read it. Dims made it their signature legislation and used every single shady maneuver possible to get it passed. Dims opposed and blocked any Republican input into the bill.

None of this is debatable. It is all fact. This is the wagon to which the Stuttering Clusterfuck is hitching his entire political legacy. This is entirely your creation...which means you get to own the results that come with it.

If I go to a Ruth's Chris steakhouse on a given night and every patron there gets food poisoning, their management can't go down the street to another restaurant and blame them. The buck stops with the creators of this monstrosity, and R's literally had zero to do with it. Where the blame lies isn't too hard to understand.
 
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Game, set, match.

I've said it before and will reiterate for the umpteenth time for our purple friend...

The ACA was entirely a dim idea...from conception to implementation. Dims insisted it was passed before anyone had a chance to read it. Dims made it their signature legislation and used every single shady maneuver possible to get it passed. Dims opposed and blocked any Republican input into the bill.

None of this is debatable. It is all fact. This is the wagon to which the Stuttering Clusterfuck is hitching his entire political legacy. This is entirely your creation...which means you get to own the results that come with it.

If I go to a Ruth's Chris steakhouse on a given night and every patron there gets food poisoning, their management can't go down the street to another restaurant and blame them. The buck stops with the creators of this monstrosity, and R's literally had zero to do with it. Where the blame lies isn't too hard to understand.

I have agreed with this in other threads, I am not debating that was ill advised and pushed through.
 

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the American citizen is to be blamed



more importantly, if something is broken,, repair it.
 

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Yes I would, the lady is obese, she isn't going to be losing weight anytime soon or it would of happened already. In this situation the patient may go off her medication due to price, asking a doctor about alternatives maybe prudent

I guess we're all different. You find comfort in making said remark, in that unique setting, given you don't even know her ( and no fear of being punched, double reward!) . You feel , you're 'helping' her. Your comment has good intentions.

here's another angle. With those savings on drugs costs, whats this lost soul going to do with the monies ? A % set to upsizing at McDonalds? :)....increase the dosage in 6mths?
 

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the American citizen is to be blamed



more importantly, if something is broken,, repair it.

Big Government broke healthcare in the 1960s.

Another layer of "solutions" is only going to make things worse.
 

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keep blaming govt Joe....whatever makes sense
 

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keep blaming govt Joe....whatever makes sense

It makes perfect sense because it's an irrefutable fact - govt fucked up healthcare.

Do you see people bitching and fighting over televisions the way they are over healthcare? So many brands, so many features to choose from, while the technology keeps getting cheaper and better - the antithesis of any government-run program. Had the government steamrolled over the TV market the way they did healthcare, we'd still be watching our favorite shows in B&W.

Sometimes I wish the Soviet Union was still around - back in the good ol' days when Reagan and Thatcher used vivid real-world examples to ridicule the "sophisticated" academic idiots on the left who worshiped the failed ideology of central planning.

Central Planning:

historica-empty-shelves.jpg


Free Market:

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cool


THE PEOPLE ELECTED the govt


this need to 'blame'?

gives peace?
 

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THE PEOPLE ELECTED the govt

this need to 'blame'?

gives peace?

Mob rule doesn't supersede the Constitution.

The Constitution is amendable, but that requires a lot more than just "winning elections"

I will grant you that modern 'progressivism' illegally transformed the United States into a lawless "social democracy" where "the law" is whatever the hell the ruling class says it is.

But that is not how the system was set up to work and the main reason politics in the US has become so dysfunctional and divisive.
 

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THE PEOPLE ELECTED the govt


this need to 'blame'?

gives peace?

And what does not blaming accomplish. There is a reason for everything, for the government reasons give way to excuses, Obamacare et al. You guys that elected Obama how is that Hope and Change working out. Once elected they are free agents and our existing lobbying laws (which they wrote) are the source of the problem. Sometimes laws should be written by the general public at least when it comes to Congress and checks and balances. Until we change the lobbying system it is a dead end street in DC. Oh I forgot, transparency, was that going to be part of that "Change".
 

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mob rule? you speaking of Russia?



:)


elected officials, Joe. Sorry.


ur solutions? so as to prevent USA 'mob rule'?
 

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russ, yes, fight back. GO FOR IT. FIGHT for what's in ur heart.


use your energy, skill sets, time

is the RX the proper platform? blaming the left DAILY at THIS PLACE?
 

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mob rule? you speaking of Russia?



:)


elected officials, Joe. Sorry.


ur solutions? so as to prevent USA 'mob rule'?

Ricboff,

The left doesn't respect the Constitution.

The left doesn't respect the law, unless the law can be used to advance their radical agenda.

The left doesn't respect the sovereign citizen.

The left doesn't care about individual rights.

The left only cares about it's collective ideology - nothing else.

“We’ll go through the gate. If the gate’s closed, we’ll go over the fence. If the fence is too high, we’ll pole vault in. If that doesn’t work, we’ll parachute in but we're going to get health care reform passed for the America people." - Nancy Pelosi

...and that's problem.
 

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thanks. Eliminate the left, and America would be well?


correct?
 

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