Tyreke Hill to the Dolphins!!!

[SheriffJoe]

The great QBs don't need expensive superstar WRs. They spread the ball around and thread it right into their WR's chests. They just need guys who don't drop the damn ball! Look at the cast Brady had to work with - pro bowlers in NE; ordinary everywhere else.

It will be very interesting to see how Mahomes adapts without his number one weapon. I'm thinking not so good, since Tyreke does a hell of a lot more than catch.

If you're a Chiefs fan, this is an awful deal, especially in this tough division.

 

[PatsFan1283]

He was drafted by them
I am talking about a star wide receiver that played with a team and then gets traded or goes via free agency
The majority of teams that have won the SB past 20 years don't even have a huge superstar WR let alone got one that made a differnce via trade or free agency

Tom Brady ain't walking through that door with Bill Belichick anymore. That data doesn't mean much to me.

Going forward most of the teams that win SB's will have top QB/WR's

'19 - Chiefs (Hill/Kelce)
'20 - TB (Godwin/Evans/AB)
'21 - Rams Kupp/OBJ

If you wanna stick to past results beyond that then be my guest but seems pretty obvious what teams are making it to the end nowadays.

You're best point is paying a WR big $ isn't gonna be a predictor of team success if the QB isn't right, but I don't think anyone ITT running to the window to bet the Raiders/Cardinals/Dolphins to win the SB anyway.....If those teams could trade for say Josh Allen, trust me they would.

 

[PatsFan1283]

The great QBs don't need expensive superstar WRs. They spread the ball around and thread it right into their WR's chests. They just need guys who don't drop the damn ball! Look at the cast Brady had to work with - pro bowlers in NE; ordinary everywhere else.

It will be very interesting to see how Mahomes adapts without his number one weapon. I'm thinking not so good, since Tyreke does a hell of a lot more than catch.

If you're a Chiefs fan, this is an awful deal, especially in this tough division.

Moss and Gronk are two the best ever at their positions.

Yeah, Brady can elevate as well as anyone but don't get it twisted. His best years obviously came when he had elite talent around him. Just like anyone else.

 

[SheriffJoe]

The Bills don't need Diggs to win a SB, but they do need Josh Allen.

WRs are overrated and expendable, which is why even the good ones cycle through so many teams.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Moss and Gronk are two the best ever at their positions.

Yeah, Brady can elevate as well as anyone but don't get it twisted. His best years obviously came when he had elite talent around him. Just like anyone else.

Moss was one lousy year, and they didn't even win.

C'mon...

 

[PatsFan1283]

Lol yeah citing Randy Moss (2 years but by 2009 he wasn't really the same player, although he did post big #'s) and Brady posting record breaking MVP numbers isn't relevant because they "didn't win" i.e some guy caught a miracle pass off his helmet thus preventing them from having a undefeated season and Brady's best year ever by far.

Sorry, that's pure noise.

So if the Bengals make 1 more play this year, then Kupp didn't win either. But wait, that would mean Jamar Chase won.

These small sample narratives people create are silly to me.

 

[exploited17]

Lol yeah citing Randy Moss (2 years but by 2009 he wasn't really the same player, although he did post big #'s) and Brady posting record breaking MVP numbers isn't relevant because they "didn't win" i.e some guy caught a miracle pass off his helmet thus preventing them from having a undefeated season and Brady's best year ever by far.

Sorry, that's pure noise.

They lost because the Giants had a great 4 man pass rush and Brady and Moss couldn't do shit not because of a lucky catch
Pass rush and QB is what win titles

 

[PatsFan1283]

The Bills don't need Diggs to win a SB, but they do need Josh Allen.

WRs are overrated and expendable, which is why even the good ones cycle through so many teams.

Aren't you saying the Chiefs shouldn't have dealt Hill?

You realize he plays WR, right?

You're all over the place

 

[exploited17]

Aren't you saying the Chiefs shouldn't have dealt Hill?

You realize he plays WR, right?

You're all over the place

They have proven success and chemistry. Winning a SB. Diiferent scenario than hoping such a wide receiver makes it so for the new team

 

[PatsFan1283]

They lost because the Giants had a great 4 man pass rush and Brady and Moss couldn't do shit not because of a lucky catch
Pass rush and QB is what win titles

lol it was a 50/50 game that went the wrong way.....if you wanna be that narrative guy then go ahead

lol @ acting like RANDY MOSS wasn't a difference maker, gimme a break

 

[exploited17]

lol it was a 50/50 game that went the wrong way.....if you wanna be that narrative guy then go ahead

lol @ acting like RANDY MOSS wasn't a difference maker, gimme a break

Sure it is nice to have but how is he a difference maker when they won before and after him?
What difference? Numbers? Maybe

 

[PatsFan1283]

They have proven success and chemistry. Winning a SB. Diiferent scenario than hoping such a wide receiver makes it so for the new team

They made 1 extra play in the 4th quarter of the 2020 SB that NE didn't make in 2008

For you to run with these narratives off that isn't sharp to me, sorry. It is ESPN level small sample thinking.

You think Mahomes/Hill was a better combo than Brady/Moss in 2007? Lol ok

 

[PatsFan1283]

Sure it is nice to have but how is he a difference maker when they won before and after him?
What difference? Numbers? Maybe

Because their offense was way better and their team was way better by every reasonable metric.

You know NFL playoffs is best of 1 and shit happens right? Moss was also banged up in the '08 playoffs but I digress.....

It is 2022, we should not be having these discussions. Sorry to be a dick but this all feels like antiquated discussion.

GL though, don't really have anything to add

 

[exploited17]

Because their offense was way better and their team was way better by every reasonable metric.

You know NFL playoffs is best of 1 and shit happens right?

It is 2022, we should not be having these discussions. Sorry to be a dick but this all feels like antiquated discussion.

GL though, don't really have anything to add

If it is best of 1 and shit happens does that mean Pats success is luck?
Same team keepswinning year and year out. But Moss wasn;t the difference they needed.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Brady won 6 superbowls in NE with a cast of WRs that hardly made an impact anywhere else. Welker, Branch...the list goes on and on. The only consistent cast member was Gronk, but he's not a WR. I would argue a stud TE is much more valuable than WR.

Moss didn't define Brady's career. That ain't noise, it's a fact and poor argument to bring up Moss.

Diggs won't define Josh Allen either. He too is expendable, and Gabe Davis may already be better.

People love the flashy WRs because they create the big highlight reel plays. In the larger scheme of building a winning football team, they're not an essential component, especially with a stud QB.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Brady won 6 superbowls in NE with a cast of WRs that hardly made an impact anywhere else. Welker, Branch...the list goes on and on. The only consistent cast member was Gronk, but he's not a WR. I would argue a stud TE is much more valuable than WR.

Moss didn't define Brady's career. That ain't noise, it's a fact and poor argument to bring up Moss.

Diggs won't define Josh Allen either. He too is expendable, and Gabe Davis may already be better.

LOL, NE was a way better offense with Moss in '07 than any other year. And if they made 1 more play in 1 game, you wouldn't be posting what you are today. But again I digress, this conversation feels antiquated.

As far as WR's value go, if they don't mean much then not sure why you think the Chiefs not wanting to pay Hill 30M and take 2 good picks is a bad move? That's a clear no brainer under the thesis you are peddling ITT.

I'm not even sure what your point is....Brady didn't need an elite WR because.....He had the best Coach and TE ever arguably? Umm yeah, if he had Lawrence Taylor then that would've been good too.

But for the most part in the modern game, teams with top tier WR's will win SB's.

 

[PatsFan1283]

If it is best of 1 and shit happens does that mean Pats success is luck?
Same team keepswinning year and year out. But Moss wasn;t the difference they needed.

Do you think that's what it means?

lol...sure

 

[exploited17]

LOL, NE was a way better offense with Moss in '07 than any other year. And if they made 1 more play in 1 game, you wouldn't be posting what you are today. But again I digress, this conversation feels antiquated.

As far as WR's value go, if they don't mean much then not sure why you think the Chiefs not wanting to pay Hill 30M and take 2 good picks is a bad move? That's a clear no brainer under the thesis you are peddling ITT.

Well,I probably wouldn't pay that much.Depends on what you might lose oif you do though But the issue is they know what they have now. What will they have without? As I said thats bigger than expecting Hill to make some huge impact with a new team unknown chemistry and such

 

[PatsFan1283]

Well,I probably wouldn't pay that much.But the issue is they know what they have now. What will they have without? As I said thats bigger than expecting Hill to make some huge impact with a new team unknown chemistry and such

So what do you suggest Miami does? Trade for Aaron Rodgers? Brady? Josh Allen? Demand the NFL gives them the #1 pick the next time a stud QB comes out? Seems thin.

I don't see Tua getting the most out of Hill either but people act like these teams can do whatever they want when they make moves like this.

 

[exploited17]

One last thing. An elite QB means a lot even withpout elite receiver. Elite receiver means 0 wirthout elite QB
Maybe if you believe the only thing missing from Miami to win a title is the reciever you can convince yourself to take the shot. IMO(right or wrong) Tua is trash and it won'tmean shit
So , I think we probably agree there anyway that those two in combination are not gonna be special