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that's a good point kermit. To add, he was awesome a yr ago as a rookie with Team Sky, pulling in the mountains. There's a big difference between playing second fiddle and being The Man at a Grand Tour....we shall see.
 

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that's a good point kermit. To add, he was awesome a yr ago as a rookie with Team Sky, pulling in the mountains. There's a big difference between playing second fiddle and being The Man at a Grand Tour....we shall see.

I was very pleased when Thomas finally won the Tour De France last year. Without him I don’t think Froome would have won 4 ! However I will stick with my gut feeling that he simply did not come into this year’s Tour in top form. The real action starts in the mountains as always so we shall see soon !
Today’s stage was won by Elia Viviani in a exciting finish ! The GC standings remained the same as expected. I will post about tomorrow’s stage later !
 

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disagree. Froome was a beast . Sure he had a great team, but he could do it all. A special rider. As a reminder, Thomas crashed out of the tour de france in 2017. Froome didnt miss a beat, won easy. In 2012, Froome was the stronger rider but had to follow orders and let Wiggins win , he should have 5 titles .
 

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disagree. Froome was a beast . Sure he had a great team, but he could do it all. A special rider. As a reminder, Thomas crashed out of the tour de france in 2017. Froome didnt miss a beat, won easy. In 2012, Froome was the stronger rider but had to follow orders and let Wiggins win , he should have 5 titles .
Yes I agree Froome was better than Wiggins but of course he was doing his required duty. I’m just of the opinion that whether you give Thomas credit or someone else credit for being instrumental in Froome’s 4 wins, Thomas was there ! He was obviously the best rider in last year’s Tour and a very deserving Champion! That’s not my opinion of Wiggins !
 

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Yes I agree Froome was better than Wiggins but of course he was doing his required duty. I’m just of the opinion that whether you give Thomas credit or someone else credit for being instrumental in Froome’s 4 wins, Thomas was there ! He was obviously the best rider in last year’s Tour and a very deserving Champion! That’s not my opinion of Wiggins !

are you serious? Again, in 2017 Thomas crashed out early-- he was NOT THERE. Froome won, without him. Thomas was part of the team, but he was replaceable-- 2017 showed us that. Landa and Kwiatkowsky took on a greater roll in the mountains protecting Chris. Also, in 2013 it was Thomas' first year on Sky. It was Richie Porte that was Froome's right arm man.

look, i know you like Thomas, but to say ; 'Without him I don’t think Froome would have won 4 !', is , well, .....out there.


anyway, it IS FROOME who has been the key ingredient in this Team Sky 6 of 7 domination of The Tour de France. He helped Wiggins, helped Thomas and won 4 himself. He won titles DESPITE the loss of ; R Porte, Thomas , Landa.

it will be interesting to see if Sky can win WITHOUT Froome......Bernal, Thomas will answer that...:)
 

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are you serious? Again, in 2017 Thomas crashed out early-- he was NOT THERE. Froome won, without him. Thomas was part of the team, but he was replaceable-- 2017 showed us that. Landa and Kwiatkowsky took on a greater roll in the mountains protecting Chris. Also, in 2013 it was Thomas' first year on Sky. It was Richie Porte that was Froome's right arm man.

look, i know you like Thomas, but to say ; 'Without him I don’t think Froome would have won 4 !', is , well, .....out there.


anyway, it IS FROOME who has been the key ingredient in this Team Sky 6 of 7 domination of The Tour de France. He helped Wiggins, helped Thomas and won 4 himself. He won titles DESPITE the loss of ; R Porte, Thomas , Landa.

it will be interesting to see if Sky can win WITHOUT Froome......Bernal, Thomas will answer that...:)
just because a rider crashes out doesn’t mean “ He wasn’t there “ ! It’s part of the Tour ! I guess my opinion is “ Out There “ as you say but the fact remains Thomas was there ! I have been a Froome fan since day 1 and voiced my opinion during the Tour won by Wiggins. If you want to go back to my posts during that Tour, you will see I voiced my opinion during the race that Froome was the strongest rider. There is no question that Froome was a beast and I agree. However I firmly believe Thomas was the best Cyclist in last years Tour and earned his Title and Froome was,there !
 

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Thomas did deserve the title, a great rider.....but he is NO Froome, lol. And Froome didnt need Thomas to win a Tour de France. And who cares that he 'was there' in 2017, as a spectator? Team Sky won without him, he crashed early in the race. .....cmon , geez. I think Froome regrets riding in The Giro a yr ago. At that age ? He had delusions, perhaps thinking he had become superman and at an advanced cycling age to win both The Giro and Tour de France in the same yr. To his credit, he did win The Giro. But it likely cost him the Tour de France. He was spent. Opened the door for Thomas. BTW, Froome hadnt been in the Giro in the previous 6 years, insane to participate a yr ago. He has SIX career Grand Tour wins, sitting tied for 4th all-time.

anyway, lets see what tomorrow brings
 

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and in case you're not aware, Thomas did not participate in The Giro a yr ago, not surprisingly
 

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and in case you're not aware, Thomas did not participate in The Giro a yr ago, not surprisingly

Yes i was aware and many think that was the primary reason he wasn’t able to win the tour De France. I had money on Froome so I was fooled into thinking he could do the back to back !
 

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I’ve looked over tomorrow’s stage 5. Although it’s a rather tough stage, I doubt the leading GC contenders will be on the attack. A strong sprinter like Sagan might be able to handle the two cat 2 climbs. I think stage 6 is far more likely to see real excitement! We shall see as surprises do happen in the Tour De France ! GL !
 

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Thomas did deserve the title, a great rider.....but he is NO Froome, lol. And Froome didnt need Thomas to win a Tour de France. And who cares that he 'was there' in 2017, as a spectator? Team Sky won without him, he crashed early in the race. .....cmon , geez. I think Froome regrets riding in The Giro a yr ago. At that age ? He had delusions, perhaps thinking he had become superman and at an advanced cycling age to win both The Giro and Tour de France in the same yr. To his credit, he did win The Giro. But it likely cost him the Tour de France. He was spent. Opened the door for Thomas. BTW, Froome hadnt been in the Giro in the previous 6 years, insane to participate a yr ago. He has SIX career Grand Tour wins, sitting tied for 4th all-time.

anyway, lets see what tomorrow brings
Sorry but crashing out in stage 9 is NOT being a spectator !
 

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Looks like a sprint finish with 3 Km to finish. ,
 

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As I predicted a very easy stage win by Peter Sagan ! This guy is so fast!
 

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Good thread. Very interesting to bet on stages. I looked into some sites before and it can get very technical and scientific. Very interesting.
 

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Good thread. Very interesting to bet on stages. I looked into some sites before and it can get very technical and scientific. Very interesting.[/QUOTE
Yes the Tour can sometimes get very technical! GL if you’re planning on wagering on individual stages. Lance Armstrong won a Tour De France without winning even one stage. Strategy is key to winning the Tour.
 

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Tomorrow’s stage 6 is a Monster! Don’t expect anything but survival from the sprinters. The stage has 4 cat 1 climbs including a mountain top finish with gradients of 20% ! I expect some thinning out of who the real contestants will be for the Yellow Jersey. I think tomorrow’s stage is brutal! Let’s see who’s really in top form as this field is still wide open and it’s this type of stage that can make the difference. GL
 

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Well today’s stage is quite interesting as the tough finishing mountain top finish is getting closer and the peloton has over 4 minutes to make up On the breakaway group. I doubt that the peloton can catch them but it’ll be really close as the gradient on final climb reaches as high as 24%.
 

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The final climb has begun for peloton and flying ! However still over 3 minutes behind so it will be tough but not impossible! That 24% gradient will thin out the field perhaps !
 

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Wow ! What a brutal finish ! Dylan Teuns wins stage and Ciccone finishes second to take Yellow Jersey lead. To me one of biggest developments was Geraint Thomas final push to take 4 th place in stage 9 seconds ahead of his teammate Egan Bernal. This shapes up to be a wide open Tour as so many climbers and no real dominant man!
 

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