Tom Brady is the best QB I've ever seen.

[krk1030]

I'll take manning any day.

All Brady has had to do this year is throw it up to moss or a wide open Wes Welker in the flat.

 

[Harvey Dent]

look at who brady has won superbowls with...by far the worst weapons my a good superbowl winning QB

 

[Harvey Dent]

I'll take manning any day.

All Brady has had to do this year is throw it up to moss or a wide open Wes Welker in the flat.

What about the 3 times brady has won a superbowl with shit?

 

[REDEYE]

look at who brady has won superbowls with...by far the worst weapons my a good superbowl winning QB

Maybe not the best of weapons, but no doubt he has had the best coaching by far and they get the smartest players in the draft. Probably the easiest Division in football the last few years too. Thats why you don't see this team beat itself. Defense always puts them in good position too. I think Brady is great, but he wouldn't have this kind of career anywhere else. Then again neither would Montana. Thats why I still have Elway at the top. Inferior coaching for the most part, weapons average, defense ok.

 

[RobFunk]

Brady, the best QB ever? Apparently you guys have never seen Elvis Grbac play.

LOL. He was so awesome that one Monday night game against the dolphins. I know you are making a joke about plugging QB's into a system that is in place and works well.

 

[TomBrady#1]

Thanks Gyno. Hard work pays off.


TB

 

[codeworks]

Brady Reminds me of Troy Aikman surrounded by really good players.

 

[wilheim]

Key words in title of thread "I've ever seen".

Sportsfans have been argueing for decades who was the best QB ever but it is all subjective and has to be broken down by eras. for example:


In the 1940s"

Sammy Baugh
Sid Luckman.

1950s:

Bobby Layne
Bob Waterfield
Norm Van Brocklin
Otto Graham

1960s:

Johnny Unitas (50s also)
Bart Starr
Sonny Jurgenson
Fran Tarkenton
Y.A. Tittle

1970s:

Dan Fouts (80s also)
Bob Griese
Joe Namath (60s also)
Terry Bradshaw
Roger Staubach

1980s

Joe Montana
Dan Marino (90s also)
Jim Kelly (90s also)

1990s

John Elway (80s also)
Troy Aikman
Warren Moon
Steve Young


2000s (decade not over yet so I am being liberal)

Brett Farve (90s also)
Peyton Manning
Donavan McNabb
Matt Hasselback
Ben Rothlesberger
Carson Palmer
Tom Brady
Steve McNair

Plus some young guns now just getting started - some of which who will probably be the stars of the next decade.

Bottom line - it is impossible to say who is the best out of the group unless you qualify it as your own opinion and limit it to the term "I've ever seen". Everyone has a right to their own opinion in this kind of argument.

Stats are not the end all that settle these kinds of arguments either, there is a lot more to the position than simple longevity (see Fran Tarkenton for example). Some will argue that on any given Sunday in his prime Joe Namath was the best ever but look at his lifetime stats. On the other hand is Brett Farve really better than Dan Marino was now that he has played longer than he did?


wil..

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Wil....great points and a fine list, but without a Super Bowl Ring or a championship in the old days, I don't think you should be considered the best of all time..JMO

 

[wilheim]

A good example of longevity not being the end all in these arguments.

is Gayle Sayers.

Sayers played just over 4 1/2 full NFL seasons and finished with 991 rushes for 4,956 yards and 39 touchdowns. He also had 112 receptions for 1,307 yards and 9 touchdowns. His return numbers were 27 punt returns for 391 yards and 2 scores plus 91 kick returns for 2,781 yards and 6 TDs. Sayers retired with the Bears' franchise record for kickoff and punts returns for touchdowns at eight (record now owned by Devin Hester).

Sayers' remaining NFL records are most touchdowns in a rookie season (22 in 1965), most touchdowns in a game (6, tied with Nevers and Jones), highest career kickoff return average (30.56), most kickoff return touchdowns (6, tied with four other players), and most return touchdowns in a game (2, tied with many players).


wil..

 

[VIEJODINOSAUR]

Arguably the best open field running back of all time...

 

[FairWarning]

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[kermit16]

is Gayle Sayers.

Sayers played just over 4 1/2 full NFL seasons and finished with 991 rushes for 4,956 yards and 39 touchdowns. He also had 112 receptions for 1,307 yards and 9 touchdowns. His return numbers were 27 punt returns for 391 yards and 2 scores plus 91 kick returns for 2,781 yards and 6 TDs. Sayers retired with the Bears' franchise record for kickoff and punts returns for touchdowns at eight (record now owned by Devin Hester).

Sayers' remaining NFL records are most touchdowns in a rookie season (22 in 1965), most touchdowns in a game (6, tied with Nevers and Jones), highest career kickoff return average (30.56), most kickoff return touchdowns (6, tied with four other players), and most return touchdowns in a game (2, tied with many players).


wil..

Gayle Sayers was the best running back I have ever seen.... when He was 100 % healthy much like Mickey Mantle was the best baseball player ..... when He was 100 % healthy. His 1956 triple crown stats pretty much say it all. OK... I'm a old timer living in the past once again !

 

[FairWarning]

I did see Sayers, Butkus, and Namath at the end of their careers. The medical procedures were nothing like today, to say the least. If you had a knee injury, your career was basically done.

 

[Rev_Al]

Brady Reminds me of Troy Aikman surrounded by really good players.

Unreal...its crazy how we forget about the first three super bowls.

Yes...clearly Brady was a result of prominent big receivers such as Troy Brown, David Patten, & Freddy Colemen in the 1st SB...and additions of David Givens & Deion Branch gave shivers down the spine of the two Super Bowl opponents. C'mon now....you guys really stretch w/ your opinions.

 

[royboy_3831]

look at who brady has won superbowls with...by far the worst weapons my a good superbowl winning QB

last year was the first time manning had a defense that played comparable to those of ne's sb winning teams... that's the point brady fans don't like to admit

both are great. i'd take peyton, but wouldn't have a problem settling with brady

 

[PatPatriot]

last year was the first time manning had a defense that played comparable to those of ne's sb winning teams... that's the point brady fans don't like to admit

both are great. i'd take peyton, but wouldn't have a problem settling with brady<!-- / message -->

The point you guys always like to pass over is.Look at the playoff stats of the two.And also look at the performance of these two when it comes to nut cutting time.

Again the real difference and the most important one that you can't put on a stat sheet is that Tom Brady gets the eye of the tiger when the game is on the line and Lumpy Manning looks like he just saw one...eos.
And anybody who knows anything will tell you the same thing.

 

[gynecologist]

Whats Manning's record in cold weather games?

 

[royboy_3831]

The point you guys always like to pass over is.Look at the playoff stats of the two.And also look at the performance of these two when it comes to nut cutting time.

Again the real difference and the most important one that you can't put on a stat sheet is that Tom Brady gets the eye of the tiger when the game is on the line and Lumpy Manning looks like he just saw one...eos.
And anybody who knows anything will tell you the same thing.

says the huge homer... pat the patriot said it so it must be true :nopityA:

 

[royboy_3831]

and making statements lie "anybody who knows anything will tell you the same thing" doesn't make your side of the argument the right side. more than likely it makes you a pompous asshole. EOS