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...why don't we just do this all the time? I mean after all, we lose over 50k people yearly to the flu and over 17 million worldwide to infectious diseases. Clearly social distancing works. If we could cut those numbers in half, wouldn't that be a great way to go?

And if your answer is it's because we don't have a vaccine, then let's say one gets developed and we lose 150k-200k yearly to the corona virus with the vaccine. You good with that?
 
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Wow. We really STILL have people here who don’t understand this thing? Jesus Christ. Remarkable.


Go read up about it and see if you can find the answer. It has been explained here over 100 times and you make a meaningless thread because you’re misinformed or have a lack of knowledge on the situation.
 

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Wow. We really STILL have people here who don’t understand this thing? Jesus Christ. Remarkable.


Go read up about it and see if you can find the answer. It has been explained here over 100 times and you make a meaningless thread because you’re misinformed or have a lack of knowledge on the situation.

I disagree, the person who does not understand about things is yourself.

I am not talking about what you are probably thinking either.
 

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...why don't we just do this all the time? I mean after all, we lose over 50k people yearly to the flu and over 17 million worldwide to infectious diseases. Clearly social distancing works. If we could cut those numbers in half, wouldn't that be a great way to go?

And if your answer is it's because we don't have a vaccine, then let's say one gets developed and we lose 150k-200k yearly to the corona virus with the vaccine. You good with that?

I think the real answer lies in that many leaders aren't really focused deep down on keeping the # of deaths down as a first order effect. Its the 2nd and 3rd order effects that spring from high infection and death rates in a short period of time that could ultimately lead to extreme civil unrest in many pockets. By and large the country is not rational, smart, and calm when dealing with any amount of fear, disruption to regular life, or adversity. This is all amplified by the media.

but to quickly speak to the deaths. I don't think we've had any highly contagious illness that has killed over 12k in 7 days in America in our lifetimes. And that was WITH schools and work shut down for most of America. So we do need to acknowledge that.


So without Mitigation.

1) For sure many hospitals would have faced severe consequences in revenue, supplies and and we would lose disproportionate amounts of nurses and doctors. Those are not easily replaced workers and we already have a shortage. some hospitals will be closing in rural areas after all this is over or close to over.

2) Supply chains. even with mitigation we will begin to see disruptions to our supplies in the coming months, it won't end quickly as there will be a lag effect, and the crucial pieces of our food supply chain is only beginning to see the virus spread to their areas in the rural areas. Expect a big back log on meat products as they just will not be able to process it quick enough, this will lead to hoarding ect.


3) Prison systems. This is big business, its also vital to keep them healthy as much as we disdain them as we do need to keep our most violent criminals off the street. Right now the most vulnerable populations to CV are Old folks in elderly care facilities, nurses, first responders, Police and first is prob Prison Guards ( fuk the criminals)
But without mitigation and release of white color criminals we for sure would have seen more riots. We already saw a little of that. Its not going to get better. In Chicago we have over 200 prison guards sick with corona currently. That is a scary situation, that is another job you can't just switch out 30% or more of your staff with brand new people off the street, even if you could get them to take the job.
 

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Body, you really are stupid. I really hope your family doesn't get the virus. All you people care about is your money. Money never over your health.
 

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Enfuego, you are the biggest asshole on here. I want to see everyone struggle, just like 50% struggles every day. I want people to know how it feels, do I pay the cable or the electric. If you made 100,000 or more I want to see how it feels to STRUGGLE. Live the life of the middle or lower class. Maybe it just might change your out look on life.
 

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Some here can't look ahead far enough at the ramifications of this shutdown. The number of deaths and devistation you will see on the other side will make the Chinese virus look like a picnic ..
 

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Unfortunately (and I'm not surprised by this), I'm seeing either ad hominems or a lot of dodging of my original question.

I don't think from the start that anyone has disagreed that social distancing is effective (I don't need a lecture on mitigation). Clearly, if you isolate from others, you have less of a chance of catching any type of infectious disease. So that's a given. Once again, what I'm asking is if it is that effective and we can save a tremendous amount of lives doing it, why don't we always do it? I don't think I'll get a single answer from one of the doomsayers because they'd rather avoid that question.
 

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Unfortunately (and I'm not surprised by this), I'm seeing either ad hominems or a lot of dodging of my original question.

I don't think from the start that anyone has disagreed that social distancing is effective (I don't need a lecture on mitigation). Clearly, if you isolate from others, you have less of a chance of catching any type of infectious disease. So that's a given. Once again, what I'm asking is if it is that effective and we can save a tremendous amount of lives doing it, why don't we always do it? I don't think I'll get a single answer from one of the doomsayers because they'd rather avoid that question.

I think I answered your question

its not really about body counts. The dead so far are mostly old, fat, unhealthy minorities. deep down the leaders don't care about these. The ones we've seen in big cities thus far, have very little impact on anyone in America's day to day life. they aren't in a supply chain that will effect them.

certain key industries can face short term and long term collapse over infections (not deaths) if they happen to0 quickly or peak too high

we are facing some potential problems in that realm despite mitigation, and it will increase in the coming weeks as the key food industries have the most boots on the ground in areas that are just starting to get hit.
 

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haha...no way the lefty governors will hold out too long after Trump opens back up. especially when most governors will comply because they have actual acuity to see the bigger picture.
+ the people will not stand for it (besides all the ones that offered nothing substantial to society pre-chinavirus)
 

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Body, you really are stupid. I really hope your family doesn't get the virus. All you people care about is your money. Money never over your health.

What you do not understand is every person is going to be exposed to this and get it.

All of what is going on, shutting everything down is not so people do not get it.
Everybody is going to get it, you need to understand this fact.
What was/is being done are for multiple reasons, mostly not for our health either
 

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haha...no way the lefty governors will hold out too long after Trump opens back up. especially when most governors will comply because they have actual acuity to see the bigger picture.
+ the people will not stand for it (besides all the ones that offered nothing substantial to society pre-chinavirus)

Yep
 

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Enfuego, you are the biggest asshole on here. I want to see everyone struggle, just like 50% struggles every day. I want people to know how it feels, do I pay the cable or the electric. If you made 100,000 or more I want to see how it feels to STRUGGLE. Live the life of the middle or lower class. Maybe it just might change your out look on life.

What a dumbass post....you want to see everyone struggle...wtf is that about.
 

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I think I answered your question

its not really about body counts. The dead so far are mostly old, fat, unhealthy minorities. deep down the leaders don't care about these. The ones we've seen in big cities thus far, have very little impact on anyone in America's day to day life. they aren't in a supply chain that will effect them.

certain key industries can face short term and long term collapse over infections (not deaths) if they happen to0 quickly or peak too high

we are facing some potential problems in that realm despite mitigation, and it will increase in the coming weeks as the key food industries have the most boots on the ground in areas that are just starting to get hit.

You really didn't because the doomsayers (media, people on this board, etc.) are all emphasizing deaths and why we must engage in social distancing. I'm also not buying for a second that the amount of deaths aren't factored into policy decisions made by governments.
 

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haha...no way the lefty governors will hold out too long after Trump opens back up.

because of the timing, I think many of the red state governors will be the ones starting to deal with bigger numbers in their states at a time when the Administration starts to call for opening up.
 

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Enfuego, you are the biggest asshole on here. I want to see everyone struggle, just like 50% struggles every day. I want people to know how it feels, do I pay the cable or the electric. If you made 100,000 or more I want to see how it feels to STRUGGLE. Live the life of the middle or lower class. Maybe it just might change your out look on life.

Your post summarizes the class warfare beliefs many have and you're taking it to extreme levels. I generally like to see economic volatility because it presents the best opportunities, but also believe poor people are overall losers.
 

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