Time to revisit Kapernick vs Alex Smith?

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I don't believe I called you that as I tend to agree...not so much that A Smith got a raw deal but more so that it was a little early to anoint CK. I can understand the decision in that CK seems to have a bit more upside. Glad Smith got a starting gig and is doing well with it, he's in a good place now. We'll see how CK works out.

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Smith is solid and should have the Chiefs at .500 or better which is an accomplishment, but how many game managers win the Super Bowl? That's the ultimate goal and San Francisco saw a potential superstar in Kaepernick... and he is going to be a superstar in the playoffs again when he's able to bolt on designed runs.

People need to realize the 49ers offense is held back quite a bit right now because Harbaugh doesn't want him running unless absolutely necessary. Look at RG3 last year or Vick or any of the running quarterbacks... they just don't last. Kaepernick has a nice arm and can be successful without running but right now, this week especially, all of his passing weapons are gone.

What really killed the 49ers this week was Harbaugh's inability to utilize Gore who was tearing apart the Colts' weak defense. He kept dialing up pass after pass because the Colts started to key on the run, but it turned out to be the wrong move since no one on the 49ers could create separation at the receiver spots. Boldin is excellent but he makes plays with his hands and not his separation, and without Vernon Davis to draw off double coverage he's not nearly as effective.

The 49ers are just fine and will win plenty of games and are the odds on choice to win the Super Bowl this season in my opinion. Their defense plays better with the lead and that hasn't been there the last few weeks with the offense a bit handcuffed because of injuries and inability to utilize Kaep's best assets.

Smith is a solid quarterback but he's a game manager and outside of Trent Dilfer one season those guys rarely do much in the playoffs.

You explained above WHY he is going nowhere in a hurry. The running QB's don't last. Period. The NFL is full of HIGHLY INTELLIGENT coaches and analysts. They pick apart these offenses, find the weaknesses, and EXPLOIT it to the hilt. As you said Kaepernick has a "nice" arm. Nice doesn't cut it. Mark Sanchez has a nice arm. So does Kyle Orton. How's that working out? LOL

Kaepernick has skills. I'm not arguing that. The idea that he just needs his receivers back and all will be well is a joke though. This guy does NOT have the cerebral skills to be an elite NFL QB. At least not yet. I DO BELIEVE he could develop those skills, but it's going to take some time and some serious losses (you learn more from your failures than successes). Given his early success and Harbaugh's obvious lack of patience, I'm betting that he will crash and burn and be a backup within 3 to 4 years tops. You could see how frazzled he was yesterday trying read the defense when his receivers weren't wide open. He was LOST! And that was INDY. Not a terrible defense but certainly not a top level one. Seattle made him look incompetent. Chad Henne played twice as good yesterday as Kaepernick did against them.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think S.F. is going anywhere. "Might" make the playoffs, but won't make any real noise. Seattle will kill them. N.O. would beat them, Chicago would probably chew them up with their defense as well. Yes it's early and a LONG way to go till January (injuries, etc..), but the future isn't looking too bright for S.F. unless Kaepernick learns to use his brain better IN A HURRY.
 

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Taking out Alex Smith was the right thing to do, whether Kaep works out or not.

Lets not get fooled by KC's good start, Smith still sucks
 

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Kaepernick has skills. I'm not arguing that. The idea that he just needs his receivers back and all will be well is a joke though. ... You could see how frazzled he was yesterday trying read the defense when his receivers weren't wide open. He was LOST! And that was INDY. Not a terrible defense but certainly not a top level one. Seattle made him look incompetent. Chad Henne played twice as good yesterday as Kaepernick did against them.
First off, he really played terrible last night, but he was just one of many: Receivers were not getting open, so what is he supposed to do? Throw it into tight coverage, forcing throws that aren't really there and pray for his receivers to come up with it and risking an interception? For a long time that game was a 1 score game so no need to take the huge risk to lose field position if there is still plenty of time left and you might get yourself into a better spot to win. Just didn't work out since the defense was mediocre yesterday and once they were down >1TD Kaepernick really sucked...
Also a couple of very catchable balls were dropped, so far more people to blame than just CK. Still, yesterday he was really bad and esp. @home vs a weak (and injury-plagued) defense he looked subpar.
But disagree on the Henne part: Only watched 1st half and Henne was in a terrible spot thanks to his horrific supporting cast, but JAX had negative yardage until midway through the 2nd quarter, didn't really get anything going that looked remotely close to an offense until SEA was already up several TDs and called off the dogs, giving lots of snaps to their backups. SF@SEA game was close until the 4th, so less garbage time to bolster your stats ...
 

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He will be another Mike Vick.
 

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Taking out Alex Smith was the right thing to do, whether Kaep works out or not.

Lets not get fooled by KC's good start, Smith still sucks

No, you're wrong.

Tell me what is stats looked like after Harbaugh arrived. Tell me what his stats were when he got injured. The guy led them to the Conference Championship the year before and could've gone to the SB had it not been for a K Williams fumble.

Why does he suck in your opinion and please back it with stats.
 

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Colin doesn't even have a full season of starts yet. He's a special player, and ceiling is way higher than Smith
 

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Football does not allow for variance like the other sports.

How many times has a great ACE pitcher in baseball had 2 bad starts in a row and nobody thinks anything of it.

But let a QB have 2 bad starts in a row and people start talking like its the end of the world.

Thats why football is such a fluky sport on the NFL level where the talent is close enough between the top and the bottom to allow for variance to play tricks on people's minds.

16 games is such a short sample that you can have teams have an entire season thats literally a fluke.

This is why you see so many teams go from worst to first and first to worst.

This is why nobody can win my playoff challenge bet.

When the difference between the best and the worst(not counting the Jags) is so small these things happen.
 

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Football does not allow for variance like the other sports.

How many times has a great ACE pitcher in baseball had 2 bad starts in a row and nobody thinks anything of it.

But let a QB have 2 bad starts in a row and people start talking like its the end of the world.

Thats why football is such a fluky sport on the NFL level where the talent is close enough between the top and the bottom to allow for variance to play tricks on people's minds.

16 games is such a short sample that you can have teams have an entire season thats literally a fluke.

This is why you see so many teams go from worst to first and first to worst.

This is why nobody can win my playoff challenge bet.

When the difference between the best and the worst(not counting the Jags) is so small these things happen.


Sharp.
 

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Colin doesn't even have a full season of starts yet. He's a special player, and ceiling is way higher than Smith

T. Richardson's ceiling is way higher than any RB on the Brown's roster. What's the point?
 

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I'd take Kaep over Alex Smith easily even if his career goes to shit. SFs time to win is now and you gotta roll the dice on his physical abilities. They came within a Crabtree PI called of a monster superbowl comeback last year. Now Crabtree tore his achilles, VD is hurt and Gore is getting older and older (he looked OK yesterday but dude has tons of tread on the tires)

Alex Smith is very limited. Chiefs D looks legit this year and Charles is an elite back but he just can't make all the throws needed.

also re: Trich I'd take a 1st rd pick over him anyday if I were the Browns.
 

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I argued this about 6 months ago and was called an idiot. I argued A Smith was given a raw deal and was performing as a solid QB, good leader and great game manager before he got hurt. The resident RX QB experts called me foolish.

I think people called you foolish for saying a guy who has made 50Million in his career because 1 team screwed up and made him the #1 pick and then was able to be on a team with tons of talent around him on both sides of the ball got a "raw deal"

it is subjective what you consider raw deal though I suppose

if you are a fan of him gotta be happy he landed in a pretty solid spot with KC
 

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I think people called you foolish for saying a guy who has made 50Million in his career because 1 team screwed up and made him the #1 pick and then was able to be on a team with tons of talent around him on both sides of the ball got a "raw deal"

it is subjective what you consider raw deal though I suppose

if you are a fan of him gotta be happy he landed in a pretty solid spot with KC

Tell me this. How long had he been with SF before he actually had a stable coaching staff and talent around him? And when he did, how did he do in the offense? Give the guy a break. The year before he was one win within making it to the SB and one could argue had Williams not fumbled, he'd have them in the big one just like Kap.

I agree, Kap has a higher ceiling for sure but he got a raw deal because he was replaced following an injury after leading them to a great record and stats to that point in the season. I don't even consider money in this thing because it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. The guy was the starter, led them to a great record and was replaced after an injury. That's a raw deal.
 

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I'd take Kaep over Alex Smith easily even if his career goes to shit. SFs time to win is now and you gotta roll the dice on his physical abilities. They came within a Crabtree PI called of a monster superbowl comeback last year. Now Crabtree tore his achilles, VD is hurt and Gore is getting older and older (he looked OK yesterday but dude has tons of tread on the tires)

Alex Smith is very limited. Chiefs D looks legit this year and Charles is an elite back but he just can't make all the throws needed.

also re: Trich I'd take a 1st rd pick over him anyday if I were the Browns.

1) Crab was not interfered with. Sorry, he wasn't. They got beat and punched in the mouth. The bully got bullied and whined about it.
2) Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. They are shit right now and it is what it is. Everyone has injuries.
3) He can't make all the throws but someone wins? Funny how that works.
4) I wouldn't take anyone over him but Bridgewater.
 

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Tell me this. How long had he been with SF before he actually had a stable coaching staff and talent around him? And when he did, how did he do in the offense? Give the guy a break. The year before he was one win within making it to the SB and one could argue had Williams not fumbled, he'd have them in the big one just like Kap.

I agree, Kap has a higher ceiling for sure but he got a raw deal because he was replaced following an injury after leading them to a great record and stats to that point in the season. I don't even consider money in this thing because it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. The guy was the starter, led them to a great record and was replaced after an injury. That's a raw deal.



Are you saying that no competent QB should ever lose there job to a backup due to injury?
 

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Are you saying that no competent QB should ever lose there job to a backup due to injury?

Not what I'm saying at all. But in that situation, no, he shouldn't have.

He led them to the Division Championship the year before and was 6-2-1 as the starter before he got replaced. Most franchises would be thrilled with the NFC Champhionship and a 6-2-1 start 9 games in. It's not like the guy was bad. He had thrown for 1,737 yards, 13 TDs with only 5 picks to that point with a QBR of 104.1.
 
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Kaps in a little slump that's all. He'll bounce back. When he's p;aying at his peak no ones better.

Huh?
Manning, Brady, Rodgers, plus arguably a half dozen other guys. Dude catches lightning in a bottle and all of the sudden he's the best to ever play the game? I'm not convinced he is the best qb in his division; nor do I believe he was the best QB on the 9ers payroll last year.
 

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1) Crab was not interfered with. Sorry, he wasn't. They got beat and punched in the mouth. The bully got bullied and whined about it.
2) Excuses are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink. They are shit right now and it is what it is. Everyone has injuries.
3) He can't make all the throws but someone wins? Funny how that works.
4) I wouldn't take anyone over him but Bridgewater.

Ha, of course he got interfered with. Not gonna argue with you or anything because I could careless....

How is citing a teams injuries an excuse? I don't work for them or anything I'm just telling you when you lose your #1 WR and #1 TE and #1 RB is on the decline it tends to make it harder to play effective football. I'm not the guys PR agent trying to make excuses for him, this is just an obvious thing to see....

I don't think A Smith is very good and neither did Harbaugh (who I assume you think knows way more than you do), your entitled to your opinion

Lastly wow at that...TRich is a above average RB. Anything less than a non-elite RB isn't worth a #1 pick to a rebuilding team.
 

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Not what I'm saying at all. But in that situation, no, he shouldn't have.

He led them to the Division Championship the year before and was 6-2-1 as the starter before he got replaced. Most franchises would be thrilled with the NFC Champhionship and a 6-2-1 start 9 games in. It's not like the guy was bad. He had thrown for 1,737 yards, 13 TDs with only 5 picks to that point with a QBR of 104.1.

So you think they should've kept him over Kaepernick? By saying he shouldn't have been replaced you are saying the team didn't have a chance to improve itself by switching QBs.
 

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Ha, of course he got interfered with. Not gonna argue with you or anything because I could careless....

How is citing a teams injuries an excuse? I don't work for them or anything I'm just telling you when you lose your #1 WR and #1 TE and #1 RB is on the decline it tends to make it harder to play effective football. I'm not the guys PR agent trying to make excuses for him, this is just an obvious thing to see....

I don't think A Smith is very good and neither did Harbaugh (who I assume you think knows way more than you do), your entitled to your opinion

Lastly wow at that...TRich is a above average RB. Anything less than a non-elite RB isn't worth a #1 pick to a rebuilding team.

1) I could care less either but he was not interfered with or it would've been called. It wasn't. You're entitled to your opinion of course.
2) Seattle lost Harvin and Browner and Averil have both been hurt. I guess they shouldn't worry about playing effective football?
3) We just disagree. I'm not saying he's the best of the best but when he's had a solid coaching staff and players surrounding him, he's won big games. Period.
4) I think I'm confused. I would never take a RB at #1???
 

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