Thoughts on raising the minimum wage?

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As evidenced in another thread recently, I am older than most and a little set in my ways. Not to upset anyone but a couple of facts: The concept that most kids need to pursue higher education is one of the most hurtful jokes ever put over on the public. So many kids come out with debts that can become a problem. Of course it follows that so many of the kids on "entitlements" feel they are just as likely to need more classes.
How many of you know that kids can go on to "higher education" on tax payer monies and have had only gained a GED.
Huge horrible joke. There are very few good reasons for this. (major illness to miss class might be almost the only one) Most are just because kids won't sit still, behave, stay out of trouble, and graduate from High School. Another news flash..... It is not too difficult to graduate from high school. A trained insect could do it easily. They will pass kids thru just to get rid of them.
When a kid refuses to concentrate and behave just enough to get past high school... that is not a reason to reward them with a tax payer paid "higher education". It is a reason to teach them to sit their ass down and pay attention!
As the government continues to stick there noses in things like health care and threaten to destroy small business... problems with wages will get worst. The government is causing businesses to be unable continue with full time employees. This is causing people to look for second jobs to pay their expenses. The beat goes on. Obama and his minions don't fully report "underemployed" workers because that problem traces too easily right back to their ignorance.

Disagree. Unless you own your own business, there is a ceiling without a degree. Never discourage learning or education. That's a mistake.
 

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Disagree. Unless you own your own business, there is a ceiling without a degree. Never discourage learning or education. That's a mistake.

False. See Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg to name a few
 

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I have a degree... and I have yet to use it at all.

So, it is pretty worthless to me.
 

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My brother is an accomplished economist.. His reports are heard every quarter at the Denver bank reserve...
He says the minimum wage is way too high... and at current rates it shiuld b 5.00 an hour??? Lol... wtf...

Of course... I'm like ur crazy... He just laughed at me and showed me a dozen different graphs... and I know I'm not explaining it properly lol... but it seems like he's right

He's right though. Consider a person who isn't working at all right know because they aren't worth paying $7.25/hr. They are costing taxpayers upwards of $8,000 a year in entitlements. If that person is worth paying $5 an hour, they could get $10,400 a year in pay, would still pick up another $1,200 or so in entitlements, too, but they are saving the taxpayer $6,800 a year, multiply that by the 3 million or so who would be hired at that rate and you've saved the taxpayers $20-30 billion a year.

Secondly, the government passed the Fair Minimum Wage Act in 2007, we had the highest rate of inflation in over 20 years in 2008. The rate has gone up 3 times under that act and we're now seeing persistently high unemployment as a result, raising it again will only increase the number of people out of work and on public assistance.

Lastly, only 3% of workers are paid minimum wage, so it's not a big issue overall but organized labor (11% of the workforce) is pushing hard for the increase because most of their workers' rates are tied to minimum wage (ie your rate of pay is guaranteed to be the national minimum wage + $10/hr), so a raise in the minimum wage is pretty much an instant raise for unionized workers.

It's not a good idea.
 

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False. See Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg to name a few

Feugo, I stand corrected. All "are" business owners. Interesting fact though, 20% of all millionaires are college drop outs
 

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He's right though. Consider a person who isn't working at all right know because they aren't worth paying $7.25/hr. They are costing taxpayers upwards of $8,000 a year in entitlements. If that person is worth paying $5 an hour, they could get $10,400 a year in pay, would still pick up another $1,200 or so in entitlements, too, but they are saving the taxpayer $6,800 a year, multiply that by the 3 million or so who would be hired at that rate and you've saved the taxpayers $20-30 billion a year.

Secondly, the government passed the Fair Minimum Wage Act in 2007, we had the highest rate of inflation in over 20 years in 2008. The rate has gone up 3 times under that act and we're now seeing persistently high unemployment as a result, raising it again will only increase the number of people out of work and on public assistance.

Lastly, only 3% of workers are paid minimum wage, so it's not a big issue overall but organized labor (11% of the workforce) is pushing hard for the increase because most of their workers' rates are tied to minimum wage (ie your rate of pay is guaranteed to be the national minimum wage + $10/hr), so a raise in the minimum wage is pretty much an instant raise for unionized workers.

It's not a good idea.


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If I don't have a McDonald's job to buy a McDonalds burger then who will have any money to still purchase a McDonalds burger? Does McDonalds accept food stamps?


What about a cleaning crew, McDonalds will still need a cleaning crew, right? Need somebody to empty the trash and put in a new trash bag. Need to keep the restrooms clean.
 

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If I don't have a McDonald's job to buy a McDonalds burger then who will have any money to still purchase a McDonalds burger? Does McDonalds accept food stamps?


What about a cleaning crew, McDonalds will still need a cleaning crew, right? Need somebody to empty the trash and put in a new trash bag. Need to keep the restrooms clean.


THAT would be a first.
 
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I dont see how fast food workers get by in places like Chicago. I was there for 48 hours a month or so ago and spent $100 for parking. I would absolutely hate to live in that place. Huge city with cold temps. Why? No thanks. I live in a medium sized city; never pay for something like parking. Not only did I have to pay to park but it was like $20 a pop plus then you throw in some cab rides. It is just ridiculous. Oh and then you have the tolls. Good Lord.
 

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I dont see how fast food workers get by in places like Chicago. I was there for 48 hours a month or so ago and spent $100 for parking. I would absolutely hate to live in that place. Huge city with cold temps. Why? No thanks. I live in a medium sized city; never pay for something like parking. Not only did I have to pay to park but it was like $20 a pop plus then you throw in some cab rides. It is just ridiculous. Oh and then you have the tolls. Good Lord.

They pay a much higher hourly wage in Chicago.....12-14 an hour compared to minimum wage in places like South Bend...which is why you pay at least $1 more per value meal.

Parking in Chicago is a whole nother can of worms.
 

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They pay a much higher hourly wage in Chicago.....12-14 an hour compared to minimum wage in places like South Bend...which is why you pay at least $1 more per value meal.

Parking in Chicago is a whole nother can of worms.

You don't see "whole nother" typed out too often.

God bless you, midwestern boy.
 

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I oppose it

1) minimum wage jobs are not intended to be jobs for people to support their families. They're mostly occupied by kids and maybe some needy adults. It will hurt those people most because there will be fewer jobs for them. Happens every time

2) the companies that pay minimum wages will have to increase prices, and it's the lower income families that frequent those establishments more than others do so that demographic gets bitch slapped again.

3) the increase benefits labor union workers more, although it's never ever told to us. Many, maybe most, union workers get automatic pay increases when minimum wages increase, which is really what certain politicians want to do, concealed kickbacks to union leaders who give their unequivocal support

4) will make other american companies less competitive in international markets than they already are as a result of number 3

5) it's sold to us as compassionate, which is complete bullshit, it's just politicians be politicians and being enabled to do so by their enablers who always have their backs. It's nothing about helping the poor and it's not about compassion. It's all about political favors and perception.
 

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A lot of people throw around the stat that only 3% make the minimum wage and while that may be true that stat is misleading since so many places pay a tick over minimum wage and are not included in the statistic, i mean making 20 cents more than minimum wage is still minimum wage to me. The fact is that 40% of people today make less than minimum wage workers did in 1968 ( adjusting for inflation)
 

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