This might shock you boys regarding scammers, but it's the very truth..

[YesMan]

You should all leave Sick Gambler alone. It's obvious that Revere14 did a much worse thing than Sick Gambler ever did.

All Sick Gambler did was create multiple accounts to get extra bonus money from sportsbooks that he couldn't have gotten with just one name. Over the long run, he had to make a profit if he scalped and middled.

Revere14 bet a legitimate line for more money than he could have under one name. If he had lost, he would have lost all of the money he bet.

Everybody should be able to see that Sick Gambler is innocent of all wrongdoing and Revere14 is guilty of everything.

Right?

 

[zackzk]

EGD, well said man.

 

[GringoinCR]

Sick, I see your figure. I'll leave it at that.

 

[ChuckSims]

SG, I don't want to bother you in the middle of one of your sportsbook scams but I do have a question for you: Are you anti-social? People that have no conscience usally are anti-social.

 

[bullsye]

Originally posted by sick gambler:
Thanks robby, but you are right sir, can't these losers see why it's not so bad to use a buddy's name with his permission. The whole forums are doing it, at least 60 are, and as high as 300 are. Do you want big checks coming in your name. All you will do is put heat on yourself. Hell, I read in an article last week that 90% of bookies don't even use their real names, so why is it so bad for a player to not use his real name? If they do it, then why is it such a sin for some of us to do it. If I want to bet a lot and my buddy doesn't mind I use his name and he will make something nice out of it, why is this so bad? If I give the book 400 dimes in action and deposit 40k, where did i just commit a sin?

SG,

just curious, how is it you know for sure there are this many people doing this?

How do you get your money if it is not in your name?

 

[sickgambler]

hey bullseye, i have been in these forums for many many years and have spoken to a lot of posters via IM, and emails and chats, and I have had many people tell me this way before the RIO saga. It's no kept secret. If you never knew that there was more than 1 person offshore betting under a friend or a family members name, then you are very naive sir.

And collecting is not a problem as I only would do this with a few close friends, who I know would never stiff me.. But I am only using my real name again. No need to use anyone elses name. I will be ok using my name...NO need to use anyone elses name now as there are 200 good books out there to choose from..

 

[bullsye]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sick gambler:
hey bullseye, i have been in these forums for many many years and have spoken to a lot of posters via IM, and emails and chats, and I have had many people tell me this way before the RIO saga. It's no kept secret. If you never knew that there was more than 1 person offshore betting under a friend or a family members name, then you are very naive sir.

And collecting is not a problem as I only would do this with a few close friends, who I know would never stiff me.. But I am only using my real name again. No need to use anyone elses name. I will be ok using my name...NO need to use anyone elses name now as there are 200 good books out there to choose from..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sir/SG;

I guess I am just very naive then.

But why do people do this?

What have people like me been missing?

[This message was edited by bullsye on August 26, 2003 at 08:20 PM.]

 

[sickgambler]

Look bullseye, i will be honest with you, and I am sure some will back me up. Nobody wants all these checks coming in their name for privacy reasons. There are many many reasons why people do NOT want money in their names, especially large sums being exchanged in and out.. Privacy, wife not knowing, Plus, who wants to cash in checks like this at the banks all the time and all the tellers look at you funny and when you leave, they start talking about you.. Gambling is not something you can just go around and tell people you do. It's not something I am proud of. We gamblers are in the same boat as drug dealers. You cannot go to any party and tell people you are a gambler when they ask you, or they will look at you like you're a criminal, or just a deadbeat degenerate. So by giving a chance for a few friends to make money, it benefitted me too.. They made a percentage, and we all were happy. Plus, my names I used were legit friends with real addresses, so I am never worried because email was also real, as was the phone numbers too..

[This message was edited by sick gambler on August 26, 2003 at 09:41 PM.]

 

[bullsye]

ok SG I get it!

I thought maybe there were some other reasons.

Quietly collecting is always a problem with this biz.

I just thought it was risking not to inform a book ahead of time you may be posting under a fake name because most do have clauses against this.

I'm sure if you are upfront with then ahead of time then things can be worked out.

Thanks for the responses.

 

[sickgambler]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yes Man:
You should all leave Sick Gambler alone. It's obvious that Revere14 did a much worse thing than Sick Gambler ever did.

All Sick Gambler did was create multiple accounts to get extra bonus money from sportsbooks that he couldn't have gotten with just one name. Over the long run, he had to make a profit if he scalped and middled.

Revere14 bet a legitimate line for more money than he could have under one name. If he had lost, he would have lost all of the money he bet.

Everybody should be able to see that Sick Gambler is innocent of all wrongdoing and Revere14 is guilty of everything.

Right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

_________

Hey, thanks for the post Yes Man.. Indeed, you have just earned your name. You are indeed the Yes Man. All signs right now are pointing that way. But you are also not mentioning one thing yes man, not only were all names legit, but whenever i signed up with these books, i would always give them good action for it. IOW, look at RIO, i didn't just play the rollover, then get out. I told them I would play with them for a long time, and I had already given them a ton of action. I earned those bonuses. Like I said, I would give anyone that offer if they want tomorrow with one of my locals here. They post up 40k, give 400k in action, and I will give them 20% cash. But no volunteers yet. I wonder why. Just people who have NO balls and have NO clue calling me a scammer. It's always the same people all the time. It's those clueless squares, and they all know who they are.

 

[sickgambler]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gringo in CR:
Sick, I see your figure. I'll leave it at that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ok gringo, wait a sec here.. am i seeing right, or did you just phrase it properly. Did you just say, I see your figure, or did you mean to say... I have seen your figure..because if you meant you are seeing it today, then I know for sure what book you are from, because there is a possibility of only 2 books it could be.. I am doing good with 2 books..

is one of these your books. I wont say.. but is it either a 6 letter named book, OR a 19 letter named book. Is it one of those, if it is, just say yes, you don't have to tell me which. Now don't be a bastard and tell me.

I swear I won't say a word to anyone, you have my words honor..

 

[sickgambler]

ok gringo, i just figured it out, I think

... One of the 2 books I mentioned has not paid me yet, and I just noticed that you said, i have been paid like clockwork. If that is the case, then u r right sir, you guys are a good book, who pays very fast..

But gringo, do i have the right book, that is the question sir?

 

[entropy]

you on the other hand, well you know ARE A SCAM ARTIST

what the **** !!

several have claimed this, but if SG is telling the truth the worst that can be said is he is a bonus whore.

BTJ you must mix with the wrong sort of people. about a year ago i invested about US$50m in an IPO in about 60 different names ( all real of course ) with zero defaults. many of these peops would have had zero assets.

ditto in my primary gambling past time where the tote closed my account 6 years ago. since then have put many hundreds of millions through the accounts of others with zero defaults.

what if the "rules" of the "book" say you can only operate under your own name?? i have not really come across that situation so don't know how i would view the ethics of same. however most of the accounts i have with books are not in my name as too lazy to open account and do the banking myself.

 

[sickgambler]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by entropy:
however most of the accounts i have with books are not in my name as too lazy to open account and do the banking myself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Folks, welcome to the real world.. This is how a chunk of the offshore bettors work. Who the f uck wants this much money exchanged back and forth in their own name? Spread it out a bit.. WTF is the difference if Rick is playing 400 dimes in action, or Claude is. It's the same action. Why the hell would the book even care? It's only a god damn name. I even offered any poster here to do what I just did, and no one came up for my offer. And these are the same deadbeats that called me a scammer. lol.. Come on boys, you can use 23 different names with me, i will give you 20% cash, deposit 40 dimes with me, and give me 400 dimes in action. If you're not going to do it, then STFU, I don't want to hear from you boys, so stop wasting my time. If you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk.

 

[PanchoSanza]

Right, and I'm sure along the way you don't pick up any bonus money that you shouldn't be getting.

Quit trying to justify what you did you scamming thief.

 

[exilarch]

Here is a big disadvantage in using a fake name: What if you croak? How are your family members going to get the money back? How are they going to bury your sorry ass,when all your money is in the sportsbooks under false names?

 

[sickgambler]

exilarch,

i understand, but the friends i had it under were like family to me who would never stiff me. But i am off that for now anyways. i am only using my own name.

Hey pancho (the square) sanza, you ask about the bonuses? fine, then why not do the same to me.. I will give you 20% cash, give me 400 dimes in action, fair enough? I am giving you the same deal I got. If I can do this and you say I scammed, then by all means, do the same with me. I am offering you the same thing as me. Now that'll shut you up because i know you won't do this because you're a wuss with a big mouth who has no clue, but all you can do is say to me i'm a scammer, like you've been doing the last month. You sound like a broken tape recorder, yet you don't know what you're talking about. You just ran out of things to say, so all you can ever say is.. scammer scammer scammer. You have ran out of ideas sir.. You can't even back yourself up. If i scammed RIO, then I offer you the same deal with me, but I want cash up front bec i don't trust your sorry ass. Or, let your pal Russy guarantee you..

 

[GringoinCR]

Sick, you made one play here yesterday. And yes I make sure you and everyone for that matter, gets paid fast. I'd appreciate it if you keep it under your hat.

At good books you don't have to use beard names. Any good book will send payouts to whoever you'd like. We'll make the check or WU to King Ali Baba if you'd like.

 

[sickgambler]

great book gringo, you should be proud of that book. Very prompt payouts I must say. I don't know why you wouldn't want people to know, because if you did say something, don't you think you can get more customers? People know you, they will feel comfortable with your book. If you don't want me to say a word, I won't, don't worry. But I wouldn't mind telling the people my experience with your book, it would only be good. Will you have ML's this year for NFL and NBA? And will you allow me to bet more than what I am allowed now? Thanks, and I am sorry if I have been beating you, you should just be thankful your limits are very low, or else you wouldn't be this nice to me now, you'd wanna kick my ass...

 

[cecil+]

I have never seen anyone work so hard to justify scamming.

The everyone else is doing it excuse is not only a lie, its pathetic.