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Just out of curiosity, what does the rebranded right look like?

I preface this with mentioning that this is all my opinion(obviously). Focused more on fiscal policy than social policy. More inclusive, less divisive. Doesn't alienate large groups of voters.

There's no upside for Ryan to run in 2016. He'll run in 2020 after the Trump/Cruz slaughter.
 

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I preface this with mentioning that this is all my opinion(obviously). Focused more on fiscal policy than social policy. More inclusive, less divisive. Doesn't alienate large groups of voters.

There's no upside for Ryan to run in 2016. He'll run in 2020 after the Trump/Cruz slaughter.
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Finally, a promise kept: Barack Obama Breaks the Coal Industry.


President Obama’s war on coal has bagged its biggest trophy to date: the bankruptcy filing by the largest U.S. coal company, Peabody Energy.


Peabody’s bankruptcy filing follows that of other major coal companies including, Alpha Natural Resources, Arch Coal, and Patriot Coal.


The irony is that coal is actually the world’s fastest growing source of energy, according to the International Energy Agency. The rest of world is in the process of building 2,440 new coal plants.

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Mr. zero percent strikes again.


Senator Lindsay Graham opened the evidence session of the Senate Appropriations Committee yesterday by telling the room that you don’t win wars against terrorists by killing them, or “dropping bombs on their head” but rather, by spending U.S. tax payer cash attempting to keep migrants un-radicalised. He said that non governmental organisations and charities in the Middle East and North Africa “can do just as much good as any battalion of soldiers”.

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Not to be outdone by Mr. Zero…


Delivering his wisdom to the Senate appropriations subcommittee on Capitol Hill, Bono — the international statesman, global thought-leader and occasional musician told Congress exactly what it needs to do solve the global refugee crisis and Islamic extremism.


Firstly, the West needs to welcome in more refugees from North Africa and the Middle East – lots more – and learn to see them not as a “burden” but as a “benefit.”

Secondly, instead of confronting Islamist terror with the unhelpful language of hate and military hardware, it needs to find a kinder, gentler, funnier way of winning them over – using comedians like Amy Schumer, Chris Rock, and Sacha Baron Cohen.


And there you have it, people like that are allowed to breed and vote.

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Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert, on what Trump needs to do to improve his unfavorable numbers…


He could just stop acting provocative for a few months. Or he could get a haircut. :Carcajada:
 
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I would definitely vote for Kasich and if the republican party was smart they would nominate him as he is the only chance they have
 

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Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) blasted Wall Street investors on Wednesday as he tried to tamp down conservative discontent with a bill to assist Puerto Rico.


The GOP leader charged that “special money interest groups on Wall Street” are trying to sabotage the legislation by billing it as a “bailout.”


Ryan said that the government will be forced to actually bail out the island if Congress fails to act, predicting massive defaults on its bonds.


“Many big-money interest groups on Wall Street know this and have put a lot of money toward sabotaging this legislation in order to force a last-minute bailout upon Puerto Rico, putting U.S. taxpayers on the hook for their bad loans,” his office said in a lengthy statement. “They call this a bailout, because they know it is not. And a bailout is what they want.”


So Paul, if it’s not a bail out, what is it?
 
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Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) blasted Wall Street investors on Wednesday as he tried to tamp down conservative discontent with a bill to assist Puerto Rico.


The GOP leader charged that “special money interest groups on Wall Street” are trying to sabotage the legislation by billing it as a “bailout.”


Ryan said that the government will be forced to actually bail out the island if Congress fails to act, predicting massive defaults on its bonds.


“Many big-money interest groups on Wall Street know this and have put a lot of money toward sabotaging this legislation in order to force a last-minute bailout upon Puerto Rico, putting U.S. taxpayers on the hook for their bad loans,” his office said in a lengthy statement. “They call this a bailout, because they know it is not. And a bailout is what they want.”


So Paul, if it’s not a bail out, what is it?

Wasn't the greatest fan of Ryan's at first but he is growing on me, dare I say I am starting to like him.
 

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Wasn't the greatest fan of Ryan's at first but he is growing on me, dare I say I am starting to like him.
Just the opposite with me. I used to think he put the country first but since he became “the man” he’s just like his predecessor. He became a “go along to get along” with no spine.
 

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I don't know every buck on the horizon but I'd bet on Cruz to crush Ryan in a 2020 primary if it took place.
 

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Curious why you feel that way? I see it the other way.

To quote a great philosopher, "You want it to be one way, but it's the other way."

Cruz likely would've won this time around if not for the Trumphenomenon. All these people voting for Trump in the primary aren't just going to say "Ahh well our guy lost, let's just go back to what the establishment is feeding us, Paul Ryan!"

You hear the samething with Kasich "oh people like Kasich, oh he's the adult in the room, he has broad appeal." Dude is getting like 10% of the vote. I mean he is being soundly rejected by the people in these primaries.
The fact of the matter is that for whatever reason, right now people are voting for anti-establishment, ideologically extreme candidates. If there is 4 years of Hillary Clinton, what would really change? If anything these people would just feel more emboldened and validated that a major disruption is needed. Trump and Cruz have a lot of differences, but many of their voters aren't voting for establishment candidates for the foreseeable future I don't think.

Then you factor in stuff like ground game already in place, early primary terrain which is Southern states and it starts to look pretty good for Cruz.

I say all this assuming it is Trump v Hillary and Trump loses. If Cruz were to lose to Hillary then obviously it might be tougher for him in 2020.

This is also a reason someone like Marco Rubio shouldn't formally endorse Cruz, because he might have to explain that on a debate stage in 4 years.
 

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Obviously a million things can happen between now and then, but assuming someone like Ryan can run and have the support of the voters behind him is probably as much hubris as assuming Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio could. Four years just isn't that long, especially if Hillary were president during this time.
 
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To quote a great philosopher, "You want it to be one way, but it's the other way."

Cruz likely would've won this time around if not for the Trumphenomenon. All these people voting for Trump in the primary aren't just going to say "Ahh well our guy lost, let's just go back to what the establishment is feeding us, Paul Ryan!"

You hear the samething with Kasich "oh people like Kasich, oh he's the adult in the room, he has broad appeal." Dude is getting like 10% of the vote. I mean he is being soundly rejected by the people in these primaries.
The fact of the matter is that for whatever reason, right now people are voting for anti-establishment, ideologically extreme candidates. If there is 4 years of Hillary Clinton, what would really change? If anything these people would just feel more emboldened and validated that a major disruption is needed. Trump and Cruz have a lot of differences, but many of their voters aren't voting for establishment candidates for the foreseeable future I don't think.

Then you factor in stuff like ground game already in place, early primary terrain which is Southern states and it starts to look pretty good for Cruz.

I say all this assuming it is Trump v Hillary and Trump loses. If Cruz were to lose to Hillary then obviously it might be tougher for him in 2020.

This is also a reason someone like Marco Rubio shouldn't formally endorse Cruz, because he might have to explain that on a debate stage in 4 years.

Thanks for the reply. Makes a lot of sense. No one is better than Cruz in terms of organization and ground game. Where we differ is in what happens to the Trump voters. My assumption is most just say "fuck it, I'm not voting for any of these guys. No way I vote for lying Ted Cruz after his battle with Trump." That said, after a 4 year cooling period they may come around for Ted. You may be right.
 

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I'd be surprised if 2016 was a 1-off. More like a political tipping point and we're entering a new normal. For how long? Tough to say.

Atleast until the voters feel like things are improving.

I really don't think your average Trump supporter is voting for someone like Paul Ryan or John Kasich for a little while. They might be resentful of Cruz ratfucking tactics, but he is still far more palatable to them than someone they view as establishment. Both in terms of ideology and tone.

I don't really see Sanders as a blip on the radar either FWIW.
 

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Is there a correlation here?


A poll released on Thursday shows that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump boasts a nationwide personal popularity rating of 31 percent.


By way of comparison, recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that just over 34 percent of America’s 323.4 million residents have or once had a sexually-transmitted disease.


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Back in November 2014...


“When I took office, I committed to fixing this broken immigration system. And I began by doing what I could to secure our borders. Today, we have more agents and technology deployed to secure our southern border than at any time in our history,"


Then Obama reeled off a few statistics, including this one: "Overall, the number of people trying to cross our border illegally is at its lowest level since the 1970s. Those are the facts."


Fast forward…


The number of unaccompanied alien children (UACs) illegally crossing the U.S. border “has increased sharply” since 2011, with a surge of more than 1,200 percent just between 2011 and 2014, according to the Congressional Research Service.


The agency also disclosed that the flow has increasing significantly in the first five months of fiscal 2016.


The illegal immigration of these children hit record-breaking numbers in 2014, with U.S. officials apprehending more than 52,000 alien children. Nearly 20,000 have been apprehended in the first five months of 2016, setting the stage for another potentially record-breaking year.

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