These three teams would all beat Ohio St or USC by 10+

[ChrisParadise]

All right so blame the AD's and college presidents for the weak scheduling. It's probably true. Daddy is the one who is scared. You just know it would backfire in their faces if they took on better OOC competition.

Very few teams have ever succeeded other than Notre Dame historically and lately USC. But lots of schools like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ohio St. etc. have gotten themselves involved. Especially in championship years, they've proven themselves playing outside of their own conference in addition to their bowl games. Maybe at one time Alabama really did prove to the nation that they were the best when Bear Bryant coached there. It's been a long long time since any SEC coach has taken on all of CFB the way USC and Notre Dame (historically) have and beaten most of their opponents. But any effort would look better than none.

now thats just stupid

notre dame is an independent that plays military and catholic schools as traditional opponents. you compare that to an sec team who plays 8 conference games every single year. stupid. the SEC east alone has more top 20 teams than notre dames schedule. sure the ooc schedule is tougher cause they have 12 ooc games compared to the rest of the world that has to squeeze em in between conference games.

that old "they dont travel 2k miles to play stanford" mantra of yours has gotten old and is all you ever say. as stated before. when the best football is played in the southeast why in the hell would any team travel out west to play football?

why does USC not schedule MTSU or Vanderbilt or Troy or UAB? are they scared of them ????? your argument is about as sensible. until arizona state plays kentucky ill just keep saying the pac-10 is scared ...is that logical ?

anyone that denies the SEC is the undisputed power conference is an idiot. the rest is just trying to justify give your secondary conference a reason to play the season. seriously at the end of the day its ireleveant to the CFB landscape. at the national level no one watches a oregon / cal game. but the whole world watches a georgia / auburn or TN / alabama conference game. its like would fox get better ratings showign the dbacks/giants or the yankees/redsox ?

im sorry, thats just the way it is. there can only be one 'best' in anything and in thsi case its the SEC. as ive said before im a cincinnati reds fan and i have accepted they are just not the best , and will never be the yankees or the redsox.

sec has the best players, coaches, stadiums, fans...of course teh recruits will keep coming every year and it will never change. acceptance is the first step

at least you have volleyball.

 

[Conan]

Now you are sounding like a madman Chris. What a neurotic disconnected and unreasoned rant. Your comparisons are equally irrational.

You can't excuse lack of a nationally aware competitive "imbalance" by playing more of the same old same old every year while every other major team from every other BCS conference has shown a willingness to take on all comers -- unlike most of your self-proclaimed "superior" SEC schools. It's one thing for everyone to say so, but it's a completely different matter when you are the ones claiming it and doing nothing on the national front to prove it. That is arrogance. But to give you a benefit of the doubt, it is probably the fault of your AD's and college presidents who are unwilling to risk anything or do anything as bold as play a ranked BCS school from out of conference.

By the way, you should do a little more research than you have done to wind up accusing Notre Dame of playing mainly service academies. That's complete bullshit. I just hope nobody bit on that line of crap.

Are you the only blind one here that doesn't get the message? The SEC's unwillingness to take on all comers is hurting their image, casting doubts on their top teams' national caliber and you refuse to accept it. Isolating themselves from everyone else doesn't play so well to the crowd after so many years. Accept that.

If you are so great, then prove it the way USC and Notre Dame (historicaly) have. Stand pat and you will catch all the sh*t you deserve.

 

[ChrisParadise]

By the way, you should do a little more research than you have done to wind up accusing Notre Dame of playing mainly service academies. That's complete bullshit. I just hope nobody bit on that line of crap.

who does notre dame play EVERY year - traditional opponents..thats what i said , and its true.

 

[ChrisParadise]

when 8 of the top 25 are in your conference every year its hard to find a quality team to even play out of conference. the quality opponents are already on the schedule.

its impossible to schedule an ooc game vs a conference school....

 

[ChrisParadise]

who does notre dame play EVERY year - traditional opponents..thats what i said , and its true.

and yeah notre dame plays tough games..i agreee there but when you have 12 ooc games to fill you have mroe room . they play ZERO top 25 teams from in conference, USC plays like what 1-2 a year that are ranked in conference?

on the other hand vandy played 5 divisional games last year and ALL 5 were ranked opponents. but they didnt schedule them as ooc games, they were conference games...do you not understand this ??

 

[YourAllAmerican]

Chris, you're using the same circular argument that SEC zealots tend to fall back on: "SEC schools are great. We know this because they play other SEC schools, which are great. You know they're great because they win games against other SEC schools. To beat a great team you must be great. Therefore SEC teams are great..."

I say again, the SEC is no more and no less than any of the other major conferences. Their overall strength changes a little from season to season, but in general they all have the same smattering of very good, good, decent and not-so-good teams in them.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Chris, you're using the same circular argument that SEC zealots tend to fall back on: "SEC schools are great. We know this because they play other SEC schools, which are great. You know they're great because they win games against other SEC schools. To beat a great team you must be great. Therefore SEC teams are great..."

I say again, the SEC is no more and no less than any of the other major conferences. Their overall strength changes a little from season to season, but in general they all have the same smattering of very good, good, decent and not-so-good teams in them.

so what quanitfies the best conference? you tell me.

putting the most teams in bowls ? winning the most bowls? puttign the most players in the NFL ? winning the most natinal titles ? what ?

sports is a southern (deep south) thing. it goes back to genetics, social attitudes, and accepted corruption - which has built traidtion. i dont agree with the OP or the thread title. i think USC would do great in the SEC in fact id take them even money right now vs UGA UF or LSU.... but the fact that this debate even exsists shows that the SEC is the best doesnt it? seriously, do you see any threads on any forums or any writers writing articles saying " The pac-10 isnt the best,. and heres why" NO!! because thats a laughable statement.

 

[YourAllAmerican]

Trying to pick a best conference is completely a subjective thing. Take the top two or three teams from any major conference and magically switch them to another conference and they'd still likely be among the two or three best. Drop one of the worst somewhere else and they'd still be one of the worst -- Vandy wouldn't suddenly be playing in a New Year's Day bowl if they were transported to the ACC, for example.

The only real difference would be in the strengths of those teams in the middle of their conference pack, and since you're talking about a bunch of 3-, 4- and 5-loss teams, it's completely a theoretical affair. Teams of that caliber can can look good at times and bad at times.

But, no, debates like this don't prove anything about the relative strength of the SEC. What they do show is that die-hard SECers have perpetuated the myth of their conference's superiority, a myth not really borne out by actual performance, that rubs some other fans the wrong way.

 

[ChrisParadise]

that rubs some other fans the wrong way.

this is football, not a tea party ..buck up man - youd never survive in the SEC with that attitude

 

[YourAllAmerican]

this is football, not a tea party ..buck up man - youd never survive in the SEC with that attitude

The Big 12 says they're not impressed.

 

[ChrisParadise]

The Big 12 says they're not impressed.

yeah and chad johnson wants to race michael phelps...whats your point.

 

[EasyMoney]

when 8 of the top 25 are in your conference every year its hard to find a quality team to even play out of conference. the quality opponents are already on the schedule.

its impossible to schedule an ooc game vs a conference school....

Right off, I believe 5 SEC teams finished in the top 25 last year. And there's 5 in this years pre-season poll. 8 is a bit of a stretch don't you think.

By the way the big 12 has 4 teams in the top 14 right now.

 

[ChrisParadise]

Right off, I believe 5 SEC teams finished in the top 25 last year. And there's 5 in this years pre-season poll. 8 is a bit of a stretch don't you think.

By the way the big 12 has 4 teams in the top 14 right now.

8 were in the top 20 at one time or another last season, but yeah call it a stretch

so what if the big 12 has 4 of top 14 in the coaches poll . they are a good conference i dont argue that but not the BEST.

sec has 4 of the top 11...3 of the top 6 .... 7 of top 27...9 of top 41....so what ?

 

[SECcapper]

WTF are you talking about in "The last SEC "power" to try it was Arkansas but we won't go there. Before that, Auburn and they didn't bother showing up to play in LA after USC shut them out. They paid off USC $1,000,000 NOT to fulfill their contract"...I am assuming you are talking about in 2003 when USC stomped auburn in auburn.....but wtf are you talking about with contract buyouts..Auburn went to USC first in 2002 and lost 24-17 on Sept 2, 2002...so was there supposed to be an away, home, away series and auburn wussed out because they were scared?

 

[realestatepro]

ohio state sucks ass, they do not deserve to even be considered to stink up another BCS bowl. 3 straight they lost by double digits

With this logic the Bills would have been banned from the superbowl. I'm not a huge Ohio State fan, it's nice when they win but all in all I don't get too into it. But to defend them, I think that they are going to be by far the best team in the country this year. I don't see them losing, especially with an easy schedule. They will win the NC this year, count on that. There were a handfull of sure thing first round draft picks that stayed behind to win this year. They deserved to be there two years ago, and last year was a toss up between them and a couple other teams. I don't think those years should play any part in what they are allowed to accomplish this year.

 

[bigtendominator]

With this logic the Bills would have been banned from the superbowl. I'm not a huge Ohio State fan, it's nice when they win but all in all I don't get too into it. But to defend them, I think that they are going to be by far the best team in the country this year. I don't see them losing, especially with an easy schedule. They will win the NC this year, count on that. There were a handfull of sure thing first round draft picks that stayed behind to win this year. They deserved to be there two years ago, and last year was a toss up between them and a couple other teams. I don't think those years should play any part in what they are allowed to accomplish this year.

You will officially be banned from this board...

for using logic.