"truth"teller:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> They have stiffed the owners from MW the street <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
O.k., maybe they did...Shame on you, Bodog.
Now, any bettors getting stiffed?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> and now according to my friend Clevfan, the owner has a rap sheet for insider trading. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
O.k., so, what the fuk does that matter?
Who gives a shit?
The guy that owns the AM/PM around the corner got busted for selling cigs to a minor...Should i boycott them?
So far, i just see where MW should be pissed off at them. And a "rap sheet" that means shit to 99.99% of the posters here.
You don't feel Bodog is safe, fine, don't play there.
If you happen to stumble upon anything that would actually mean shit to the casual offshore gambler regarding Bodog, or, anything that would actually be cause for the Rx to remove them as advertisers, please, post immediately.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> They have stiffed the owners from MW the street <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
O.k., maybe they did...Shame on you, Bodog.
Now, any bettors getting stiffed?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> and now according to my friend Clevfan, the owner has a rap sheet for insider trading. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
O.k., so, what the fuk does that matter?
Who gives a shit?
The guy that owns the AM/PM around the corner got busted for selling cigs to a minor...Should i boycott them?
So far, i just see where MW should be pissed off at them. And a "rap sheet" that means shit to 99.99% of the posters here.
You don't feel Bodog is safe, fine, don't play there.
If you happen to stumble upon anything that would actually mean shit to the casual offshore gambler regarding Bodog, or, anything that would actually be cause for the Rx to remove them as advertisers, please, post immediately.
Minnow - why is it you come over only on certain issues? You get a PM asking for your help from someone? Every single time BoDog comes up nowadays here you are. Had a post up since April about BoDog you never made one comment on until just recently. I have never seen any sort of interest from you on BoDog but now you can't stay away from any post having anything to do with them. Ever since your boss and BoDog had a disagreement you can't fan the flames enough it seems. Talk about it over there if you want to get in this crap.
I don't have anything against you and in fact I look up to you, you and Joe were two of the best moderators from when I started posting around these parts. Always said so. But geez come over here ALL the time and speak on issues good and bad. Cherry picking certain things hoping to make Shrink or someone else look bad doesn't seem your style, at least it didn't use to. I've gotten hot and had one notable blow-up over there which I could have handled better but it's starting to look like you make a calculated plan to come over here and start trouble or make us look bad. I don't go over and instigate when I think you guys are off the mark, for me to do that I need to go over there and prop you when you do things good. It's called calling things fairly. If you are under pressure to come respond to this silliness and insult us than please forgive me, maybe you have no choice. Just weird you try hard to keep garbage off your site but it's okay to come over here and do the same thing? You know what we are up against as moderators?
No offense, just had to get it off my chest.
I don't have anything against you and in fact I look up to you, you and Joe were two of the best moderators from when I started posting around these parts. Always said so. But geez come over here ALL the time and speak on issues good and bad. Cherry picking certain things hoping to make Shrink or someone else look bad doesn't seem your style, at least it didn't use to. I've gotten hot and had one notable blow-up over there which I could have handled better but it's starting to look like you make a calculated plan to come over here and start trouble or make us look bad. I don't go over and instigate when I think you guys are off the mark, for me to do that I need to go over there and prop you when you do things good. It's called calling things fairly. If you are under pressure to come respond to this silliness and insult us than please forgive me, maybe you have no choice. Just weird you try hard to keep garbage off your site but it's okay to come over here and do the same thing? You know what we are up against as moderators?
No offense, just had to get it off my chest.
Bodog are a bunch of cheating bastards. They're liars, and I don't see how this website can reccomend them. I guess they're being paid $$$.
I think someone should tell: www.sportsbookreview.com. There the best when it comes to judging sportsbooks. They don't except money from the books like prescription.
gil
I think someone should tell: www.sportsbookreview.com. There the best when it comes to judging sportsbooks. They don't except money from the books like prescription.
gil
Patrick, I am under no pressure whatsoever to "come over here and start trouble" or trying to make you look bad.
I saw Shrinks post and reminded him of the facts, since his memory of the MW/bodog beef was way off, imo.
I truly didn't see it as dumping garbage on your site, and didn't mean to make your task here more difficult for you.
I don't think I am the one who has changed?
Also, I'll have to look back at other recent threads I've posted in, and see if I really am just "cherry picking". The other bodog thread you mentioned that I posted in about the Survivor bets being canceled? It's not like I re-dug it up. I don't think my comments were offbase or disrespectful there either. So other than being on the "wrong" side of an ongoing debate with that, and defending myself from a particularly ugly attack by Lou, I don't remember any other threads recently that would give you this "cherry picking" impression.
Anyway, getting back to my original point here, if the thread where Shrink is going off on a stiffing Rx advertiser has been bodog-ed, there's no use even continuing that either.
Sorry
I saw Shrinks post and reminded him of the facts, since his memory of the MW/bodog beef was way off, imo.
I truly didn't see it as dumping garbage on your site, and didn't mean to make your task here more difficult for you.
I don't think I am the one who has changed?
Also, I'll have to look back at other recent threads I've posted in, and see if I really am just "cherry picking". The other bodog thread you mentioned that I posted in about the Survivor bets being canceled? It's not like I re-dug it up. I don't think my comments were offbase or disrespectful there either. So other than being on the "wrong" side of an ongoing debate with that, and defending myself from a particularly ugly attack by Lou, I don't remember any other threads recently that would give you this "cherry picking" impression.
Anyway, getting back to my original point here, if the thread where Shrink is going off on a stiffing Rx advertiser has been bodog-ed, there's no use even continuing that either.
Sorry
This whole thread reminds me of high school lunch time and TRUTHTELLER would be the little prick screaming "food fight".
One more Site War, chapter 218... "We ain't got shit to do". C'mon guys, it's slow for everybody in the industry, I know it gets kindda boring, but it's almost as tiresome seeing mods fighting over nothing at all.
Truthteller:
You're a bitch. Tell me something. Do you work for MW, do you work for BoDog?
If you don't, try to explain why you thought posting this shit in the RX forum was gonna help any of the parts involved...
One more Site War, chapter 218... "We ain't got shit to do". C'mon guys, it's slow for everybody in the industry, I know it gets kindda boring, but it's almost as tiresome seeing mods fighting over nothing at all.
Truthteller:
You're a bitch. Tell me something. Do you work for MW, do you work for BoDog?
If you don't, try to explain why you thought posting this shit in the RX forum was gonna help any of the parts involved...
Minnow - You coming here to pound us about an old advertiser who left you guys doesn't make me look bad? LOL. Where did I say that? Just surprised it is you involved, that's all. In fact hearing from a couple others on IM's they are noticing the same things from you. They like you as I do but quit pretending it's only a coincidence you come and speak out when BoDog is involved! When they are brought up you come dancing over here almost on cue. Strangely enough the whole time they were over at your place they were perfect. Do you really expect anyone to believe you are just a concerned poster here wanting to set the record straight? You probably play out of BoDog but pulled your bankroll out recently? Your position is none of these posts and the old one's in the thread from April have anything to do with your boss and BoDog having a disagreement? Nor the fact they don't advertise there now is involved either? Russ can't see straight over his hatred of BoDog, we both know that. The two issues aren't connected though, I see you over here all time speaking out about books.
I haven't changed much Minnow, when I was labeled an "RX hater" I spoke out when I thought I was right. Without regard to who it is just like I am doing now with you. Not to say I am always right but I speak on it when it's obvious something smells. In fact when many people couldn't get enough thrills of the boardroom threads from here being hacked and spread all over the place I never took part once. You recall that? Never read one of the threads nor did I ever ask to see one. This was AFTER I was asked to leave the board room by Peep. You'd think I'd have some hard feelings and get involved. I thought it was dirty and not my style to play like that. The reality is I expected more from you than some of this. To come over here like a trained attack dog seems beneath you. We can't speak for our bosses but we can do all we can to bury the hatchet. We don't have to be involved in this garbage, at least I don't have to be. Maybe I'm missing out on some bonuses or something. Anyway I appreciate someone of your high standards being so fair about your posts....
I haven't changed much Minnow, when I was labeled an "RX hater" I spoke out when I thought I was right. Without regard to who it is just like I am doing now with you. Not to say I am always right but I speak on it when it's obvious something smells. In fact when many people couldn't get enough thrills of the boardroom threads from here being hacked and spread all over the place I never took part once. You recall that? Never read one of the threads nor did I ever ask to see one. This was AFTER I was asked to leave the board room by Peep. You'd think I'd have some hard feelings and get involved. I thought it was dirty and not my style to play like that. The reality is I expected more from you than some of this. To come over here like a trained attack dog seems beneath you. We can't speak for our bosses but we can do all we can to bury the hatchet. We don't have to be involved in this garbage, at least I don't have to be. Maybe I'm missing out on some bonuses or something. Anyway I appreciate someone of your high standards being so fair about your posts....
Since it was mentioned, I will just say on behalf of Sportsbook Review in case anyone really cares, that BoDog is a decent book and that player complaints out of them are rare.
SBR's opinion on BoDog
The debate on their quality would be to look at their business model. It would appear they have some lost marketing leaders and a overall excessive marketing campaign. Are they over leveraged (ala NASA) or are they shrewd savvy marketers?
There is not diverse product balance but there is some with their casino products. They do not cater to sharps or run credit packages. They do have a history of under handed tactics against partners, affiliates and as in the MW case, advertisers.
This book does far more handle than most insiders would guess and has brought in new talent in the booking operation which seems to me that this new talent learned how to read the Don Best screen because it's rare you find a lean here. This was not the case a year ago.
In conclusion SBR feels with the heavy bonuses and even heavier marketing campaign that BoDog is somewhat leveraged but not to the point of concern. If favorites covered heavily the first three weeks of football this could be a problem for BoDog. There is no reason to encourage BoDog players to move, and no reason to encourage or discourage new players to join. BoDog is for small to medium players who can handle some risk in exchange for a strong bonus. Players placing security as an important selecting factor should look up the quality ladder from here.
SBR's opinion on BoDog
The debate on their quality would be to look at their business model. It would appear they have some lost marketing leaders and a overall excessive marketing campaign. Are they over leveraged (ala NASA) or are they shrewd savvy marketers?
There is not diverse product balance but there is some with their casino products. They do not cater to sharps or run credit packages. They do have a history of under handed tactics against partners, affiliates and as in the MW case, advertisers.
This book does far more handle than most insiders would guess and has brought in new talent in the booking operation which seems to me that this new talent learned how to read the Don Best screen because it's rare you find a lean here. This was not the case a year ago.
In conclusion SBR feels with the heavy bonuses and even heavier marketing campaign that BoDog is somewhat leveraged but not to the point of concern. If favorites covered heavily the first three weeks of football this could be a problem for BoDog. There is no reason to encourage BoDog players to move, and no reason to encourage or discourage new players to join. BoDog is for small to medium players who can handle some risk in exchange for a strong bonus. Players placing security as an important selecting factor should look up the quality ladder from here.
"question: Why play at BoDog?"
SBR gets a lot of mail from players looking to join BoDog. They have some nice offers. SBR pretty much encourages players who want to play there to go ahead. Obviously, except for paid advertosers, no one considers them a true top 20 book but that's ok.
btw, FatFrank, you made a good post earlier in this thread which no one mentioned...good observation on your part.
SBR gets a lot of mail from players looking to join BoDog. They have some nice offers. SBR pretty much encourages players who want to play there to go ahead. Obviously, except for paid advertosers, no one considers them a true top 20 book but that's ok.
btw, FatFrank, you made a good post earlier in this thread which no one mentioned...good observation on your part.
With this in-depth interpretation of my intentions I think the message is getting lost. Were my comments erroneous, or is it just unfair for me to comment on "hot" topics in general?
I don't know who is im'ing you what, Patrick. I'm sorry if I have lost friends because of anything I posted here. Maybe they can all im me and tell me off themselves.
2 hours til post time, so I really need to get back to work here.
I don't know who is im'ing you what, Patrick. I'm sorry if I have lost friends because of anything I posted here. Maybe they can all im me and tell me off themselves.
2 hours til post time, so I really need to get back to work here.
I have not seen enough to warrant me not recommending Bodog to a player. Reading here everyday I cannot think of a reason to not suggest an approval to a player if he asked me. The tv soap show fiasco doesn't worry me so much & I did not read into it all that much either, but for whatever reason, that issue did not interest me as much as a sporting event would. There were abnormal circumstances around that TV thingy.
Hope Bodog did learn it wasnt wise to put that up
Hope Bodog did learn it wasnt wise to put that up
To be completely honest:
I can't say i would "recommend" Bodog to a poster.
I also would not "advise against" a poster trying out Bodog.
Nothing really against Bodog, i just see well over a dozen books here that i would recommend before i would think to say "try Bodog".
Then again, if Bodog was running some promo, and someone has never used them, i would feel comfortable saying "go for it".
Not sure that came out right....Anyways, i don't see any reason for Bodog to be pulled from the Rx advertiser list, and nothing in this thread has changed that in the least..
By the way:
Gak of Life
Great post
I can't say i would "recommend" Bodog to a poster.
I also would not "advise against" a poster trying out Bodog.
Nothing really against Bodog, i just see well over a dozen books here that i would recommend before i would think to say "try Bodog".
Then again, if Bodog was running some promo, and someone has never used them, i would feel comfortable saying "go for it".
Not sure that came out right....Anyways, i don't see any reason for Bodog to be pulled from the Rx advertiser list, and nothing in this thread has changed that in the least..
By the way:
Gak of Life
Great post
