The more I think about it, I'm changing my vote because it's a money game. If it were free, it wouldn't matter as much, but by putting up money (and it doesn't matter that it's "only" $100, the value is different to each individual) Michelangelo could demand these two games be graded as wins on the grounds of misleading wording, and it would be wrong to deny him that. If this were a huge contest like the Hilton, and there was wording in the rules that could be misinterpreted, that entrant would probably hire a lawyer and he would definitely win his case. Just saying. The way around this in the future would be to include in the rules "Management decisions are final".
But, in closing, Michelangelo posted the games prior to their start time (which is ONE of the two conflicting rules) so "legally" they should be allowed to stand as wins. I don't think you need a vote. It's pretty clear what the end result should be. The fault is in the wording, not the user, so I don't see how you can penalize the user.
I would suggest counting them as wins, cleaning up the wording, and move forward now that we all know the intention of the rules. Otherwise, call the contest and refund the money (which would be more of a mess).
But, in closing, Michelangelo posted the games prior to their start time (which is ONE of the two conflicting rules) so "legally" they should be allowed to stand as wins. I don't think you need a vote. It's pretty clear what the end result should be. The fault is in the wording, not the user, so I don't see how you can penalize the user.
I would suggest counting them as wins, cleaning up the wording, and move forward now that we all know the intention of the rules. Otherwise, call the contest and refund the money (which would be more of a mess).
I can understand both sides of the argument, think No Action is fairest way to go.
imo he as with everyone has to follow all the rules in a post up contest.
i missed my plays yesterday past seeing it was past the deadline 7:00:59 EST by a few minutes so I did not post any and took an 0-4 as I needed those..life got busy it happens..
the rules are clear there are two rules you need to follow, you dont get to pick which one you follow?
The deadline to post plays will be 7:00:59 pm EST every day.
and
All plays must be in at least 5 minutes prior to earliest scheduled start time of your pick set.
so easy to see there was no valid plays and without valid plays you cant have wins so that one is out.
should it be a loss?
only if the invalid plays were made 10 minutes or more past the start time. We all know the plays were actually made before the start time so cant be a loss
what is next?
push? to be a push you would need a valid play and have the spread match the final score...there is no other way in the rules where a push could possibly be graded for any situation. so that is out
thus this is a clear no action.
GL all
i missed my plays yesterday past seeing it was past the deadline 7:00:59 EST by a few minutes so I did not post any and took an 0-4 as I needed those..life got busy it happens..
the rules are clear there are two rules you need to follow, you dont get to pick which one you follow?
The deadline to post plays will be 7:00:59 pm EST every day.
and
All plays must be in at least 5 minutes prior to earliest scheduled start time of your pick set.
so easy to see there was no valid plays and without valid plays you cant have wins so that one is out.
should it be a loss?
only if the invalid plays were made 10 minutes or more past the start time. We all know the plays were actually made before the start time so cant be a loss
what is next?
push? to be a push you would need a valid play and have the spread match the final score...there is no other way in the rules where a push could possibly be graded for any situation. so that is out
thus this is a clear no action.
GL all
OK. I've made my case. My opposition, dabbledegook is misrepresenting what the rule is and when I posted the plays relative to the start of the games that night and the games I played. I don't respect that at all.
I vote:
2 wins
However this comes out I want to thank those who tried to figure out my reasoning when I made those plays BEFORE ANY GAMES STARTED THAT NIGHT. And thanks to JOH for trying to get it right. Good luck t everybody.
I vote:
2 wins
However this comes out I want to thank those who tried to figure out my reasoning when I made those plays BEFORE ANY GAMES STARTED THAT NIGHT. And thanks to JOH for trying to get it right. Good luck t everybody.
Including PM's I counted 10 votes. Tally is:
1 Loss
1 Push
2 Win
6 No action
This vote was based on what was posted in this thread as rules and regulation and clearly there is a majority. No action will be the result.
Going forward, I am taking some advice I received thru PM's and hopefully it might help to avoid some of the turmoil up to this point. Beginning tonight, here is the updated rules regarding past-posting:
The deadline to post plays will be 8:00:59 pm EST every day. Under no circumstances will any plays be allowed after this deadline. Any plays posted after this time will be graded 'no action' unless they are needed to meet the 12 play minimum. In that case, they become losses of -110.
Plays will be released at that time and stay visible until the lines for the next day are posted later that night. If you miss the plays while the sheet is open, I will copy and paste them in the overnight lines post for that day as a backup.
Any time there are games scheduled before 8:05pm EST, selections made on those such games must be in at least 5 minutes prior to earliest scheduled start time of that poster's set of picks. (Google Time Stamp will serve as time of post).
1 Loss
1 Push
2 Win
6 No action
This vote was based on what was posted in this thread as rules and regulation and clearly there is a majority. No action will be the result.
Going forward, I am taking some advice I received thru PM's and hopefully it might help to avoid some of the turmoil up to this point. Beginning tonight, here is the updated rules regarding past-posting:
The deadline to post plays will be 8:00:59 pm EST every day. Under no circumstances will any plays be allowed after this deadline. Any plays posted after this time will be graded 'no action' unless they are needed to meet the 12 play minimum. In that case, they become losses of -110.
Plays will be released at that time and stay visible until the lines for the next day are posted later that night. If you miss the plays while the sheet is open, I will copy and paste them in the overnight lines post for that day as a backup.
Any time there are games scheduled before 8:05pm EST, selections made on those such games must be in at least 5 minutes prior to earliest scheduled start time of that poster's set of picks. (Google Time Stamp will serve as time of post).
i vote no action. I consider this a friendly gentleman contest.
to be honest, i'm disappointed in both michaelangelo and dabble. If i were in either's shoes I would've known it wasn't intentional and agreed to make this no action. The fact that dabble wants these as two losses and michaelangelo wants two wins has turned me off to contests like this.
I think having the picks 5 min before the game should be allowed, but it broke the rules and if there is one person contesting it (even the opponent), I would expect it to be no action. I think the rule was misinterpreted. The deadline on days when the first game is at 8 should be 8, not 7
Whatever the case I apologize to JOH. He does a great job and this is just added stress for him and added work. I'm sorry you are stuck in this spot JOH.
to be honest, i'm disappointed in both michaelangelo and dabble. If i were in either's shoes I would've known it wasn't intentional and agreed to make this no action. The fact that dabble wants these as two losses and michaelangelo wants two wins has turned me off to contests like this.
I think having the picks 5 min before the game should be allowed, but it broke the rules and if there is one person contesting it (even the opponent), I would expect it to be no action. I think the rule was misinterpreted. The deadline on days when the first game is at 8 should be 8, not 7
Whatever the case I apologize to JOH. He does a great job and this is just added stress for him and added work. I'm sorry you are stuck in this spot JOH.
I voted no action as well....
clear advantage to waiting longer in the day with stale lines...so winners doesnt feel right when at least some understood it to be 7est....i def rushed to get them in before 7est and/or didnt put in picks b/c I thought the deadline to submit had passed, so would be tough to give someone wins for picks that came after the deadline
with that said, plays were before tip and i dont think michaelangelo was trying to put one over on us (I admit I also had to think twice on what the actual deadline was but decided to play it safe and assume the earliest it could be)....end result is I would just say no action......as shdw said this is really a "friendly" contest and since i dont think he was trying to gain an advantage....but remember that if others could have put in plays right before tip but after 7est that maybe they wouldn't have gotten crushed by shdw in the first round and be hanging out in the losers bracket
hno:hno: ##)##)| WINNER'S BRACKET | |||||||||||||||
| BKT | Poster | W | L | P | SUN, MAR 1 | BKT | Poster | W | L | P | RD 2 | Margin | Plays | ||
| 13 | Defying | 1 | 2 | 0 | -118 | 13 | Defying | 5 | 5 | 0 | -34 | +1 | 10 | ||
| 13 | Livin the Family Life! | 1 | 0 | 0 | +100 | 13 | Livin the Family Life! | 5 | 5 | 1 | -35 | 11 | |||
| 14 | powerz | 0 | 1 | 0 | -112 | 14 | powerz | 4 | 7 | 0 | -349 | 11 | |||
| 14 | shdw01 | 0 | 1 | 0 | -110 | 14 | shdw01 | 4 | 6 | 1 | -240 | +109 | 11 | ||
| 15 | trytrytry | 2 | 2 | 0 | -18 | 15 | trytrytry | 2 | 6 | 0 | -458 | +86 | 8 | ||
| 15 | XSPower | 0 | 1 | 0 | -110 | 15 | XSPower | 1 | 6 | 1 | -544 | 8 | |||
| 16 | NBAcapper08 | 3 | 1 | 0 | +190 | 16 | NBAcapper08 | 5 | 4 | 0 | +80 | +302 | 9 | ||
| 16 | Recon792 | 1 | 1 | 0 | -5 | 16 | Recon792 | 4 | 6 | 0 | -222 | 10 | |||
| LOSER'S BRACKET | |||||||||||||||
| BKT | Poster | W | L | P | SUN, MAR 1 | BKT | Poster | W | L | P | RD 2 | Margin | Plays | ||
| 9 | dabbledonalock | 1 | 1 | 0 | +0 | 9 | dabbledonalock | 7 | 3 | 1 | +390 | +415 | 11 | ||
| 9 | Michelangelo | 1 | 2 | 0 | -114 | 9 | Michelangelo | 5 | 5 | 0 | -25 | 10 | |||
| 10 | DT32 | 0 | 2 | 0 | -220 | 10 | DT32 | 2 | 6 | 0 | -437 | 8 | |||
| 10 | DNoonan | 3 | 1 | 0 | +195 | 10 | DNoonan | 6 | 2 | 0 | +390 | +827 | 8 | ||
| 11 | Stax | 1 | 2 | 0 | -110 | 11 | Stax | 5 | 7 | 0 | -243 | 12 | |||
| 11 | triple h | 0 | 0 | 0 | +0 | 11 | triple h | 5 | 4 | 0 | +80 | +323 | 9 | ||
| 12 | Number Freak | 2 | 2 | 0 | -18 | 12 | Number Freak | 4 | 4 | 0 | -28 | 8 | |||
| 12 | gijoe | 4 | 0 | 0 | +400 | 12 | gijoe | 6 | 4 | 0 | +167 | +195 | 10 |
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TheRX 2015 NBA H2H DOUBLE ELIMINATION HANDICAPPING CONTEST (03/02/15)
Rot. * Team * Spread * Total Points
04:05 PM
701 Toronto Raptors -8.5 -102 Over 193 -108
702 Philadelphia 76ers +8.5 -108 Under 193 -102
04:35 PM
703 Phoenix Suns +3 -109 Over 205 -110
704 Miami Heat -3 -101 Under 205 +100
04:35 PM
705 Golden State Warriors -5.5 -107 Over 208.5 -107
706 Brooklyn Nets +5.5 -103 Under 208.5 -103
05:05 PM
707 Los Angeles Clippers -4.5 +100 Over 206 -110
708 Minnesota Timberwolves +4.5 -110 Under 206 +100
05:35 PM
709 New Orleans Pelicans +8.5 -110 Over 198 -105
710 Dallas Mavericks -8.5 +100 Under 198 -105
# 9 Dabbledonalock x
707 Los Angeles Clippers -4.5 +100" ***
# 9 Michelangelo x
706 Brooklyn Nets +5.5 -103 ***
708 Minnesota Timberwolves +4.5 -110" ***
#10 DT32 x
701 Toronto Raptors -8.5 -102 ***
708 Minnesota Timberwolves Under 206 +100 ***
709 New Orleans Pelicans +8.5 -110 ***
705 Golden State Warriors Over 208.5 -107" ***
#10 DNoonan x
707 Los Angeles Clippers -4.5 +100 ***
707 Los Angeles Clippers Over 206 -110 ***
701 Toronto Raptors -8.5 -102 ***
706 Brooklyn Nets +5.5 -103 ***
#11 triple h x
704 Miami Heat Under 205 +100 ***
707 Los Angeles Clippers -4.5 +100 ***
702 Philadelphia 76ers Under 193 -102" ***
#12 gijoe x
704 Miami Heat - Under 205 +100 ***
705 Golden State Warriors -5.5 -107 " ***
#12 Number Freak x
701 Toronto Raptors -8.5 -102 ***
702 Philadelphia 76ers Under 193 -102 ***
703 Phoenix Suns +3 -109 ***
707 Los Angeles Clippers -4.5 +100" ***
#13 Defying x
704 Miami Heat -3 -101 ***
704 Miami Heat Under 205 +100 ***
#13 Livin the Family Life! x
707 Los Angeles Clippers Over 206 -110" ***
#14 powerz x
708 Minnesota Timberwolves Under 206 +100" ***
#14 shdw01 x
705 Golden State Warriors -5.5 -107" ***
#15 trytrytry x
703 Phoenix Suns +3 -109 ***
705 Golden State Warriors Over 208.5 -107 ***
707 Los Angeles Clippers -4.5 +100 ***
709 New Orleans Pelicans +8.5 -110" ***
#15 XSPower x
706 Brooklyn Nets +5.5 -103 ***
704 Miami Heat -3 -101 ***
703 Phoenix Suns Over 205 -110 ***
708 Minnesota Timberwolves +4.5 -110 ***
#16 nbacapper08 x
701 Toronto Raptors Over 193 -108 ***
707 Los Angeles Clippers -4.5 +100 ***
710 Dallas Mavericks -8.5 +100 " ***
#16 Recon792 x
707 Los Angeles Clippers -4.5 +100 ***
709 New Orleans Pelicans +8.5 -110" ***
