The Well: Matt24

[ECS]

if you had the choice, what hole cards would you prefer to hold?

AKo, or AQs

Rephrase that cleo, what hand would you rather push all in with if you had too...

 

[InsideThePylons]

I'm not a nit, I don't like Sklansky as a person or as a tourney player thats for sure. Sklansky is obv going to have higher variance than Ivey or Lindgren in no limit because Ivey is the best player in the world, he will have a super high win rate, therefore his variance will be lower.

You are sort of misapplying variance and not understanding how it reacts with winrates

You are obviously talking about different variance.

Let's start over.

I asked if you didn't play no limit because of the bigger swings. You said their are bigger swings in limit. I 100% disagree.

I've seen winning players in a NL session lose 900 big blinds in a 50-100 game. I've seen one of the worst players ever win 600 big blinds in a 100-200 NL game.

Dan Negreanu was stuck over 500K in a short time on High stakes poker playing 150-300 blinds. Thats only 1700 big blinds in a few hours.

Please don't tell me variance is higher in limit.

 

[Matt24]

Chip Reese told me that a "great" no-limit player will have a much higher winning % of sessions than a "great" limit player. How that equates to a person's bankroll, I have never been able to figure out. Matt or Pylons, got any ideas? Good Luck

obv, because limit is a swingy game and the variance is much higher.

 

[HuskerFan1]

not too butt in but i think i may have read where some professionals actually prefer AKo to that of AKs....am i offbase on this one? i coulda sworn i read it somewhere...

fwiw, im guessing he'd pick AKo vs AQs every day off the week....i think negranue or some other pro has said if they had just mucked AQ every time it was delt to them their net worth would be increased another million or so...isnt it the biggest trouble hand in poker?

 

[HuskerFan1]

yes in a single session the swings in NL would be MUCH MUCH higher than in limit...it might be impossible to lose 900BB in a limit game compared to that in the NL game you are refering too...Negreanu lost that pot to layne flack where flack hit quads on the turn to Negreanu's (at the time nut boat)...it was like a 500-600k pot....

 

[InsideThePylons]

Chip Reese told me that a "great" no-limit player will have a much higher winning % of sessions than a "great" limit player. How that equates to a person's bankroll, I have never been able to figure out. Matt or Pylons, got any ideas? Good Luck

Agreed.

Just like I said earlier. Good players win by attacking bad players mistakes. Obviously any good player should do much better crushing a bad players mistakes than winning 1 bet when they make a mistake.

 

[Matt24]

You are obviously talking about different variance.

Let's start over.

I asked if you didn't play no limit because of the bigger swings. You said their are bigger swings in limit. I 100% disagree.

I've seen winning players in a NL session lose 900 big blinds in a 50-100 game. I've seen one of the worst players ever win 600 big blinds in a 100-200 NL game.

Dan Negreanu was stuck over 500K in a short time on High stakes poker playing 150-300 blinds. Thats only 1700 big blinds in a few hours.

Please don't tell me variance is higher in limit.

now youre talking about sessions, I am applying variance over like 10k-100k samples, which is when stats start to matter, not 100 hands. an expert limit player is much more likely to be losing over 100k hands then an expert nl player.

I am now done with this variance subject.

 

[Matt24]

Agreed.

Just like I said earlier. Good players win by attacking bad players mistakes. Obviously any good player should do much better crushing a bad players mistakes than winning 1 bet when they make a mistake.

lol to you agreeing to that

 

[HuskerFan1]

good rebuttal matt

 

[Matt24]

if you had the choice, what hole cards would you prefer to hold?

AKo, or AQs

AKo in a limit game for sure, AKo in most tourney situations, but in some deep stacked situations in tourneys and in deep cash games, maybe I'd rather have AQs

 

[Matt24]

Rephrase that cleo, what hand would you rather push all in with if you had too...

if I had to shove all in, def AKo

 

[InsideThePylons]

now youre talking about sessions, I am applying variance over like 10k-100k samples, which is when stats start to matter, not 100 hands. an expert limit player is much more likely to be losing over 100k hands then an expert nl player.

Back to my original question.........................

Why do you play almost strictly limit?

I can't understand any reason why anyone that has a clue would rather play limit than no limit other than the fear (comfort level) of losing chips in a bigger chunk.

When my opponent makes a mistake, I want him to lose his stack to me rather than 4 bets as I am going to make less mistakes and for smaller amounts.

Let me phrase it differently................

Do you play limit because you have a fear of possibly losing 1000 big blinds in a short period?

I guess you thought bigger chunk meant variance.

 

[InsideThePylons]

lol to you agreeing to that

% of winning sessions has nothing to do with overall money w/l.

When you can easily lose 2000 big blinds over the course of 5 sessions, It might take winning 100 out of 150 sessions to get even, or it might take 5 out of 5.

 

[Iceman]

How much do you make on average a month (with expenses deducted)?

How big is your BR for poker (if to personal than don't answer)?

How many hors a week you play?

Years you have been playing?

 

[Iceman]

Ginger or Mary Ann?

 

[InsideThePylons]

Good to see you again InsideThePylons. 1 of my favorite players....

Could we take this variance thing to the poker forum in a different thread??

....

Thanks PPP.

I now think I'm overmatched on this variance thing. I'll leave it to the mathematicians.

 

[Matt24]

Back to my original question.........................



Let me phrase it differently................

Do you play limit because you have a fear of possibly losing 1000 big blinds in a short period?

I guess you thought bigger chunk meant variance.

I already answered why I play limit. Thats how I started, thats what I'm good at, I have not put the time in at no limit. No, I have no fear of losing money, I've sat with over 5k in 5/10 live games and I'm no expert.

 

[cy1981]

Better QB- Trent Green or Harry Gonso?

 

[Matt24]

How much do you make on average a month (with expenses deducted)?

How big is your BR for poker (if to personal than don't answer)?

How many hors a week you play?

Years you have been playing?

it varies obv, but 12k a month or so is what I'd like to make on average I guess, I'd like to bump that to about 17 or 18 this year.

I've made over 100k since October 29th

Lately ive been playign 12 hours sunday through thursday, so that is 60 hour weeks, used to before I was doing MTTs, I was doing closer to 30.

poker bankroll I'd say around 100k I guess, I play so far under my bankroll taht I don't really pay attention to my "bankroll"

been playing professionally since summer of 04. played live before that during the summer 03 for a summer job, 5/10 limit

 

[Mopisgood]

yes in a single session the swings in NL would be MUCH MUCH higher than in limit...it might be impossible to lose 900BB in a limit game compared to that in the NL game you are refering too...Negreanu lost that pot to layne flack where flack hit quads on the turn to Negreanu's (at the time nut boat)...it was like a 500-600k pot....

I believe it was Gus Hansen he lost that pot to.