Wow maj, what you don't understand is that Bron's presence due to the EXTREME attention he gets from defenses puts everyone on his team in easy situations to excel. Not blaming you, most don't understand this concept, but you seem smart enough that you should be able to get it. Guess it comes with age and watching more games.
I do get that man... But a lot of stars get that treatment. That doesn't make them as good as Magic, Larry and Jordan....
There are at least 15 guys in the NBA that require great attention and that leaves openings for their teammates but they are not in that league. And either is he. He is far from it.
If you understand that then the only thing we disagree on is how much better the defenses are today then back then. I can give you that bron isn't as good as mj for sure and cannot say he has done anything to be mentioned with the other two either yet, but his game projects to be so much better than Magic and Birds the way the game is evolving it isn't close. He will develop a better jumper and be extremely good. Just makes those guys look silly as far as being an athlete is concerned.
He had a couple of NBA first round picks at NC to "help him". Once again serious talent on his side. LOL. He didn't win that game or get them there is was a stacked team.
He was not that great there that is why he did not go 1st in the draft. He did not use his teammates well at all early on something James does very well.
I do not want to compare James vs Jordan/Bird/Magic, men because that is not fair. I made comparisons to make a few points but do not want to build the comparisons because it isn't right or fair.
Are you kidding?
Haven't you ever heard the quote the only guy that could hold Michael Jordan below 30 was Dean Smith?
Jordan was the best player on that team that is why he went third in the draft and took the final shot... Jordan went behind two big men who always go ahead of Guards and forwards, see this years draft, because they don't come along as often in GM's minds. He also went behind the Dream... So going behind one of, if not the greatest center of all time is not that big of a deal.
Michael Jordan hit the game winner and was the best player on that team by far... If you don't know that then I don't know what to tell you... Jordan was clearly a star in the making and once again won a National Title and hit the game winner... Then scored 37.1 PPG and led his team to the playoffs but as I said he wasn't playing the Wizards and Nets... He was playing the Celtics... Bird's Celtics... You see the difference???
He played by himself... He never got the chance to face them with a serious team...
Not only that but how can you agree with a guy that says that Jordan wasn't that great at North Carolina that is why he wasn't drafted first... How can you agree with that statement in general...
Rupert I thought you were going to take the high road and not talk up Lebron anymore because of how poorly he has played so far in the finals... All I ever argued is that we need to stop putting him in the same damn breath as these Hall of Famers and all time great players. He isn't even close to there yet. I don't care what he projects to do... Vince Carter projected to be the next Michael too...
Show it on the court in big time situations... And what did I say... He didn't beat his Celtics but he also didn't put up sub par performances... He actually wasn't even close to the reason for the loss... In his first series against the Celtics he averaged 44 PPG! 6 RPG and 6 APG and shot over 50% from the floor. He was clearly the best player on the court and he was playing on the same court as bird... Do you see the difference... Michael dominated those games but his teams were so awful no matter how amazing he played they couldn't win...
If Lebron played amazing and as well as he can they could win at least two games in the series but he just hasn't stepped it up.
In his second series against the Celtics he averaged 37 PPG, 7 RPG and 6 APG... Anther spectacular series but his team was awful and no matter how well he played they couldn't win.
The way history records things Jordan didn't win a championship until Magic and Bird were older and finished playing!
Jordans teams won 6 titles and they couldn't beat Magic or Birds teams when they were healty?
Someone also said the league was much better back then and only the great teams won titles. Now anybody can win a title. Lebron will get a title, but that doesn't mean he's better than Magic or Bird or Jordan.
You guys would also take Mike Vick over John Unitas because he's a better athlete. Being a better athlete doesn't make you a better player! Never did and never will!
You guys would take Greg Oden over Bill Walton because he's a better athlete. That logic isn't correct guys!
Lebron could never dominate a basketball game like Magic Johnson did. Last night Lebron had a chance to show us he could be great and was scared to show it. That's all!
Even Marc Jackson and Van Gundy were yelling at Lebron to take more shots. Take the 3 point shot because they were giving it to him. He just did not take control of the game!
Magic and Bird and Jordan would have made sure they won that game. The series would have changed and they would have had a shot to win the whole thing.
Lebron is an athlete who is a really good basketball player who could get great. But he's a long way from there!
I hate that you agree with me... ruins my credibility... But you are also the guy that said Jordan was just a good player and wasn't even as good as Pippen which makes you semi retarded...
Jordan never had a great team when Magic and Larry were in the league big guy... He never had another player who made an All-Star team unless Charles Oakley some how found a way to make one... If Pippen would have been magically three years older they would have won a title but the Bulls had no one... Is it Mike's fault that he had possibly the worst team in the NBA and he carried them... No
Just like Lebron huh.
When they win it's because of OUR LOVELY SUPERSTAR, but when they lose it's because he has no teamates. Good one! Works everytime with people who don't know the game!
The Bulls won 6 titles but were horrible when they played the Celtics and Sixers and Lakers all the years before that. Another good one!
Very few people beat Magic and Bird when they were in the league, Jordans was just another wanabee until they both quit and then he became the greatest!
SURE HE IS!
I would take Magic over Bird, Lebron and Jordan and beat you more times than you beat me! That's because he was the best all-around player of these 4! Magic could do everything and the thing he did best was made sure all his teamates were part of the game in some way.
Jordan also was a ballhog during those tough years and when Phil Jackson taught him that passing the ball sometimes and having faith in your teamates is a better way to play Jordan then became great.
Even Jordan himself admits this. He pushed out Collins because Collins also tried to get Jordan to pass the ball more! That's a fact! Phil Jackson was the coach to get Jordan to have faith in his teamates who were pretty good LIKE IT OR NOT!
Do you guys even follow basketball?
When Jordan stopped being a ballhog the team became great! That's is 1 problem Lebron obviously doesn't have!
Jordan also was a ballhog during those tough years and when Phil Jackson taught him that passing the ball sometimes and having faith in your teamates is a better way to play Jordan then became great.
Even Jordan himself admits this. He pushed out Collins because Collins also tried to get Jordan to pass the ball more! That's a fact! Phil Jackson was the coach to get Jordan to have faith in his teamates who were pretty good LIKE IT OR NOT!
Do you guys even follow basketball?
When Jordan stopped being a ballhog the team became great! That's is 1 problem Lebron obviously doesn't have!
Jordan also felt bad about what happened to Collins because he admitted Collins was right all along. He got him fired for being selfish!!! But that was Jordan!
That's also why Jordan hired Collins when he was in Washington because he knew Collins was right and was a really good coach.
Those are facts. Jordan was selfish. Just like Kobe and that's why comparing Kobe to Jordan is the right comparison to make!
That's also why Jordan hired Collins when he was in Washington because he knew Collins was right and was a really good coach.
Those are facts. Jordan was selfish. Just like Kobe and that's why comparing Kobe to Jordan is the right comparison to make!
Wannabee? He won 6 titles because they retired... the six titles had nothing to do with Scottie Pippen, Steve Kerr, Toni Kukoc, Dennis Rodman, Ron Harper, Horace Grant, and BJ Armstrong right?
It had nothing to do with the fact that he had two other stars in the NBA on his team when he won the last three... Or that he didn't have Scottie when he played the Celtics... That the only player he had was Charles Oakley haha that was the next best thing on his teams... You are proving more and more why you are a clown. Jordan never admitted shit... Please post the article he never said I wanted Collins out because he wanted me to pass...
A Ball Hog here are his FGA per game for his whole career... show me the drastic change outside the one seasons of 27 and the one of 25...
20
18
27
24
22
24
22
22
25
24
23
23
23
Show me the ball hogging? Show me where he made a drastic change and ball hogged???? Don't worry I am waiting... Seems pretty consistent to me
Your Boyfriend Larry averaged 19.3 FGA a game in his career
Jordan Averaged 22 FGA per game in his career... So funny that Bird was just pure greatness and Jordan was a ball hog
And the funny thing is they shot the same exact career % and that is funny to me since Jordan played guard and he played forward.
Jordan Averaged 22 FGA per game in his career... So funny that Bird was just pure greatness and Jordan was a ball hog
And the funny thing is they shot the same exact career % and that is funny to me since Jordan played guard and he played forward.
Jordans Bulls met up against Magic and the Lakers in 1990-1991 Championship and the Bulls won 4-1 , out of all of the Bulls titles this was the only series in which they won it in an easy 5 games. ( the rest were all 6 ) Although Magic was arguably pass his prime , still at 31 years old during the regular season he put up ... 19.5 ppg , and 12.5 apg ( so he wasnt THAT past his prime ... considering those are his career averages ) And the Lakers still had their core team in place ( minus Jabbar ) .. which included and their ages ...
Magic 31
Worthy 29
Byron Scott 29
Sam Perkins 29
Vlade Divac 22
So in fact you saying Jordan never beat Magic is completely wrong , He beat him on the biggest stage of them all head to head , While Magic was still a Superstar and had the same nucleus of the Championship teams in the late 80's ...
Nice try , Dr. Know it "almost"
Dr. knowsjackshit and ej arguing, wow this thread went to shit.
FYI Magic was one of the greatest, everyone knows that, but the guy couldn't hit a jumper to save his life. Dr.'s just one of those guy who like to tell us young ens how much better it was in the "good old days". It's pathetic.
FYI Magic was one of the greatest, everyone knows that, but the guy couldn't hit a jumper to save his life. Dr.'s just one of those guy who like to tell us young ens how much better it was in the "good old days". It's pathetic.
If you believe even HALF of the shit you post, you belong in an asylum. Magic is a better all around player than Jordan????? Are you aware that Jordan routinely made the All Defensive NBA team and once won the award for Defensive Player of the Year?!?! Magic was good at helping out on defensive, but, one on one, I'm not sure he could've guarded ME! We haven't even touched upon the difference on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball. It's like you say, I'm going to make a complete fool of myself in at least 75% of my posts...:missingte :think2:
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