The "TRAP GAME" Phenomena ..what exactly make a game fall into this category

[bookie]

All-time trap game IMO.

Correct me if I am wrong. Colts are 10.5 point favs over the Pats at New England.
The thing about this game was, it was Tom Brady's first start as a pro because Bledsoe was hurt.

Needless to say, Pats rolled to a 20 or 30 point win (cant remember) and the rest is history.

 

[JayC]

There is no such thing as a trap game. Books do not set traps. Lines are what they are.

 

[Halifax]

HELLO, all the suckers bet on Duke. they lost.

Maybe you need to read what I said again - I don't think you're getting the point. A "sucker bet" and a "trap bet" are two whole different kettles of fish.

And yes, I heard rumours that Duke lost.

 

[D2bets]

There is no such thing as a trap game. Books do not set traps. Lines are what they are.

Thanks Jay. Good to hear from you in a thread like this. :toast:

 

[Rainbow]

Maybe you need to read what I said again - I don't think you're getting the point. A "sucker bet" and a "trap bet" are two whole different kettles of fish.

And yes, I heard rumours that Duke lost.

A trap bet is not a double digit favorite. A trap bet is like 525 Wake -1 where every cat in the alley will play, because in there mind the line should be alot higher. all squares bet on favorites, but when a line is real close, they can determine the winner for you over 55% of the time. the true definition of a trap bet is when a bookie puts up a different line than everybody else, and later on that day the screen blacks out and they all go to his number. but to me a trap bet is a sucker bet. you can call every book in the world on the Wake Forest game and everyone you call will tell you they are loaded on Wake Forest. the wiseguys bet Georgia Tech +2 and +1.5.

 

[D2bets]

Rainbow, that's not a trap bet that is a VALUE bet on GT because of public perception. The line for such a game is simply skewed to account for public perception and public betting patterns, not to "trap" anybody. Just like the SB line is pumped up because the public loves NE. NE isn't a trap -- Philly is value.

 

[Rainbow]

Rainbow, that's not a trap bet that is a VALUE bet on GT because of public perception. The line for such a game is simply skewed to account for public perception and public betting patterns, not to "trap" anybody. Just like the SB line is pumped up because the public loves NE. NE isn't a trap -- Philly is value.

thats a value bet on georgia Tech +1 when the line opened Wake Forest 2 alot of value +1. I bet GA tech +1 but trust me its no value there. if I would have bet Wake Forest at a pk thats value where I went to school. and going to the Superbowl if you can find the Eagles +7.5 thats VALUE.

 

[D2bets]

thats a value bet on georgia Tech +1 when the line opened Wake Forest 2 alot of value +1. I bet GA tech +1 but trust me its no value there. if I would have bet Wake Forest at a pk thats value where I went to school. and going to the Superbowl if you can find the Eagles +7.5 thats VALUE.

So you bet on GT +1, but you didn't think that was a value...you thought WF pk was a value. Have I got this right?

Man, you are all over the place, I don't even know what to say.

 

[Rainbow]

When you have a book who wants you to go a certain way, they bait you by having the line look very enticing.

this is the correct answer to a trap bet. after you bet them you call all your buddies and you say I just bet Lakers -6 everybody else has 6.5 and 7. so you go eat lunch and when you come back you find out all the 6.5 and 7"s evaporated they all go 5.5. thats your definition of a trap bet. you just got trapped.

 

[D2bets]

this is the correct answer to a trap bet. after you bet them you call all your buddies and you say I just bet Lakers -6 everybody else has 6.5 and 7. so you go eat lunch and when you come back you find out all the 6.5 and 7"s evaporated they all go 5.5. thats your definition of a trap bet. you just got trapped.

OK, so now a trap bet has to do with line movement before the game, not the actual result of the game. Have I got this right now?

 

[Rainbow]

So you bet on GT +1, but you didn't think that was a value...you thought WF pk was a value. Have I got this right?

Man, you are all over the place, I don't even know what to say.

I am not all over I just bet against the public. do you really know the definition of value. how can anybody have value on a game they took +1 on when you could have took +2 the opening line. do you really understand what value really means. my bet on GA Tech isnt value when I could have took +2 this morning on the same game.

 

[D2bets]

I am not all over I just bet against the public. do you really know the definition of value. how can anybody have value on a game they took +1 on when you could have took +2 the opening line. do you really understand what value really means. my bet on GA Tech isnt value when I could have took +2 this morning on the same game.

I would disagree with this. +1 is necessarily LESS value than a +2 but it doesn't mean that it is not a value. If the correct line is GT -3 then +1 is a value even if you could have gotten +3 earlier. Why would anyone bet straight into a line that didn't have value? Makes no sense.

 

[D2bets]

Think of the parallel to buying a stock in the stock market....are you suggesting that if a stock is not at the lowest it;s ever been then it is not a good value to buy. A stock can be at an all-time high and still be a value if it is still UNDERvalued. Same principle applies to the sports market. Of course I'd rather buy a stock at $35 than $36 but that doesn't mean I won't buy at $36 if it still has value.

 

[Rainbow]

I would disagree with this. +1 is necessarily LESS value than a +2 but it doesn't mean that it is not a value. If the correct line is GT -3 then +1 is a value even if you could have gotten +3 earlier. Why would anyone bet straight into a line that didn't have value? Makes no sense.

I will be the first to tell you I didnt make a smart bet. its just when I looked at that line this morning it looked like to me they wanted you to bet Wake Forest. I talk to alot of bookies I usually find out where the cold money is bet.

 

[D2bets]

Rainbow, listen to Jay C, they don't get much more "insider" than him..."books don't set traps, lines are what they are". That's about as direct as it can be.

 

[Rainbow]

Rainbow, listen to Jay C, they don't get much more "insider" than him..."books don't set traps, lines are what they are". That's about as direct as it can be.

I know a bookie right now that traps people 7-days a week with his line. he always puts up different lines, but before the smoke clears they all go to his line. I am not going to argue about somrthing stupid, but trust me, alot of players gets trapped 7-days a week. let me ask you something if you bet this bookie 7-days a week and you thought he had a bad line but everyday you look at your plays and you say wow I bet him Missouri -5 the game closed 4 I bet him GA -3 the game closed 2 and you bet him miami -1 the game closed pk. tell me you didnt get trapped, oh and tell Jay too.

 

[D2bets]

I know a bookie right now that traps people 7-days a week with his line. he always puts up different lines, but before the smoke clears they all go to his line. I am not going to argue about somrthing stupid, but trust me, alot of players gets trapped 7-days a week. let me ask you something if you bet this bookie 7-days a week and you thought he had a bad line but everyday you look at your plays and you say wow I bet him Missouri -5 the game closed 4 I bet him GA -3 the game closed 2 and you bet him miami -1 the game closed pk. tell me you didnt get trapped, oh and tell Jay too.

So again we're back to defining this by line movement. I'd call that SHARP line, not a "trap game". Maybe we're just arguing over semantics, I dunno.

 

[Rainbow]

So again we're back to defining this by line movement. I'd call that SHARP line, not a "trap game". Maybe we're just arguing over semantics, I dunno.

have a good night I am going to hedge some of my Ga tech play.

 

[slick69]

I thought a "trap" was when the line goes the opposite way of the public. For

example If the line is -14 on a team and 75% of the public is taking that team

and the line drops to -13

 

[D2bets]

I thought a "trap" was when the line goes the opposite way of the public. For

example If the line is -14 on a team and 75% of the public is taking that team

and the line drops to -13

How does anyone know what 75% of the public is actually on and is the public all bettors or only certain bettors? But I guess we can always ask SLIM who the public is on.