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[vitterd]

So let me guess this straight. Zit called a min raise with 9/7 against a guy who is raising every hand. Has a gut shot draw after flop.....calls a continuation bet and hits the gutter. If the turn is check/check......then what happened.

Not sure why this hand is a long discussion. Pretty typical stuff. I mean, Zit got lucky on the turn and took the pot. Not sure what the problem is. If that hand has you this upset......maybe it's not the game for you Dude. No offense just an opinion

 

[festeringZit]

So let me guess this straight. Zit called a min raise with 9/7 against a guy who is raising every hand. Has a gut shot draw after flop.....calls a continuation bet and hits the gutter. If the turn is check/check......then what happened.

Not sure why this hand is a long discussion. Pretty typical stuff. I mean, Zit got lucky on the turn and took the pot. Not sure what the problem is. If that hand has you this upset......maybe it's not the game for you Dude. No offense just an opinion

The hand was pretty standard until he donkey spewed his stack, and then went ballistic when I said "you overbet" - referring to his donkey spew, which was an easy call considering I had the nuts.

 

[theDude24]

no problem vittered - I checked turn, he bet, I put him all in with top pair. he won, I said nice gutshot because I like messing with FZ b/c he always gets super angry.
he responded with "only called because of the overbet" - I asked for clarification since I assumed he was talking about flop bet and then he got confused - which is why I was making fun of him (didn't think less than 1/2 pot was an overbet these days)

I then have come to realize he is smarter and better than I am - so no need to argue

but in a surprise to nobody, it turned into how FZ is the greatest thing that ever lived

 

[festeringZit]

I've already contacted BetDSI poker support to email me the hand history. If they don't email it during the day, I'm sure it's on the hard drive on
my home computer, and I'll be able to post it tonight.

 

[vitterd]

The hand was pretty standard until he donkey spewed his stack, and then went ballistic when I said "you overbet" - referring to his donkey spew, which was an easy call considering I had the nuts.

He shove on the turn?

 

[festeringZit]

no problem vittered - I checked turn, he bet, I put him all in with top pair. he won, I said nice gutshot because I like messing with FZ b/c he always gets super angry.
he responded with "only called because of the overbet" - I asked for clarification since I assumed he was talking about flop bet and then he got confused - which is why I was making fun of him (didn't think less than 1/2 pot was an overbet these days)

I then have come to realize he is smarter and better than I am - so no need to argue

but in a surprise to nobody, it turned into how FZ is the greatest thing that ever lived

The problem with his narrative, which I've tried to drive through his thick skull, is that I never said I called because of the overbet (which makes 0 sense).

I said "you overbet" referring to his spew which happened after my call. Of course his continuation bet wasn't an overbet, his donkey spew once I hit the nuts was the overbet. I'm not sure how many times I need to repeat this, it's really not rocket science.

 

[theDude24]

Player theDude24 raises (99)
Player yisman folds
Player Billyboy2735 folds
Player festeringZit calls (99)
Player pk76794 folds
Player coushatta 42 folds
Player my man folds
*** FLOP ***: [6h 2c 10d]
Player theDude24 bets (124)
Player festeringZit calls (124)
*** TURN ***: [6h 2c 10d] [8d]
Player theDude24 checks
Player festeringZit bets (169)
Player theDude24 raises (1444)
Player festeringZit allin (1178)
Uncalled bet (97) returned to theDude24
*** RIVER ***: [6h 2c 10d 8d] [Ac]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 3200. Rake 0
Board: [6h 2c 10d 8d Ac]
Player Billyboy2735 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player festeringZit shows: Straight to 10 [9s 7s]. Bets: 1570. Collects: 3200. Wins: 1630.

 

[festeringZit]

He shove on the turn?

He claims he checked the turn, to be honest I can't remember for sure, I had thought he pushed the turn, but it could have gone:

him: check
me: bet
him: all in

I thought it went:

him: push all in

Either way, he totally donkey overbet.

 

[vitterd]

no problem vittered - I checked turn, he bet, I put him all in with top pair. he won, I said nice gutshot because I like messing with FZ b/c he always gets super angry.
he responded with "only called because of the overbet" - I asked for clarification since I assumed he was talking about flop bet and then he got confused - which is why I was making fun of him (didn't think less than 1/2 pot was an overbet these days)

I then have come to realize he is smarter and better than I am - so no need to argue

but in a surprise to nobody, it turned into how FZ is the greatest thing that ever lived

Ok. I understand now. Doesn't sound like you had a lot invested to come back over there with just a pair......but that's just me. More on the conservative side with that. Everybody has their own style

Either way.....just got unlucky on the turn. Poker can be the cruelest of games. GL

 

[festeringZit]

Player theDude24 raises (99)
Player yisman folds
Player Billyboy2735 folds
Player festeringZit calls (99)
Player pk76794 folds
Player coushatta 42 folds
Player my man folds
*** FLOP ***: [6h 2c 10d]
Player theDude24 bets (124)
Player festeringZit calls (124)
*** TURN ***: [6h 2c 10d] [8d]
Player theDude24 checks
Player festeringZit bets (169)
Player theDude24 raises (1444)
Player festeringZit allin (1178)
Uncalled bet (97) returned to theDude24
*** RIVER ***: [6h 2c 10d 8d] [Ac]
------ Summary ------
Pot: 3200. Rake 0
Board: [6h 2c 10d 8d Ac]
Player Billyboy2735 does not show cards.Bets: 0. Collects: 0. Wins: 0.
*Player festeringZit shows: Straight to 10 [9s 7s]. Bets: 1570. Collects: 3200. Wins: 1630.

So, your raise, is a total donkey spew overbet, which is what I said.

 

[theDude24]

here it was - chat not included (not sure if it is anywhere)
based on watching FZ play many hands, and play them terribly (which is fine, it's a freeroll, play some hands) - I check raised him on turn for his last 1200.
When he bets turn, I am not folding - I wanted to look weak and induce a bet. I thought the raise might get him to pay me off with a j-10, 9-10, 7-8, or some type of combo draw type hand.
obviously he turned nuts - zero problem with people hitting

as explained - got confused when he said he only called b/c of overbet, asked for clarification, he called me an idiot or whatever and then didn't respond

not a big deal - just surprised FZ turned it into a pissing contest about having way more money than me, lol

if you think the turn play was bad - fine, but seeing him shove turns with Ace high, and calling big river bets with 3rd pair made me think it was right play - criticize all you want FZ, I don't mind

 

[festeringZit]

here it was - chat not included (not sure if it is anywhere)
based on watching FZ play many hands, and play them terribly (which is fine, it's a freeroll, play some hands) - I check raised him on turn for his last 1200.
When he bets turn, I am not folding - I wanted to look weak and induce a bet. I thought the raise might get him to pay me off with a j-10, 9-10, 7-8, or some type of combo draw type hand.
obviously he turned nuts - zero problem with people hitting

as explained - got confused when he said he only called b/c of overbet, asked for clarification, he called me an idiot or whatever and then didn't respond

not a big deal - just surprised FZ turned it into a pissing contest about having way more money than me, lol

if you think the turn play was bad - fine, but seeing him shove turns with Ace high, and calling big river bets with 3rd pair made me think it was right play - criticize all you want FZ, I don't mind

Just admit you played it like a donkey, and stop making up shit and lying.

 

[festeringZit]

here it was - chat not included (not sure if it is anywhere)
based on watching fz play many hands, and play them terribly (which is fine, it's a freeroll, play some hands) - i check raised him on turn for his last 1200.
When he bets turn, i am not folding - i wanted to look weak and induce a bet. I thought the raise might get him to pay me off with a j-10, 9-10, 7-8, or some type of combo draw type hand.
Obviously he turned nuts - zero problem with people hitting

as explained - got confused when he said he only called b/c of overbet, asked for clarification, he called me an idiot or whatever and then didn't respond

not a big deal - just surprised fz turned it into a pissing contest about having way more money than me, lol

if you think the turn play was bad - fine, but seeing him shove turns with ace high, and calling big river bets with 3rd pair made me think it was right play - criticize all you want fz, i don't mind

i never said i only called because of overbet, that is yet another lie

 

[theDude24]

I disagree - but if you think that is a donkey play, you just are at a small level - what do you do in my position then?

Fold top pair to small turn bet?
Flat call?
Small raise with little to no fold equity?

 

[festeringZit]

I disagree - but if you think that is a donkey play, you just are at a small level - what do you do in my position then?

Fold top pair to small turn bet?
Flat call?
Small raise with little to no fold equity?

How can you disagree? Your continuation bet on the flop is standard, and isn't even close to an overbet - your narrative makes no sense.

 

[theDude24]

was asking about my terrible donkey shove on the turn....... which you told me to admit was a donkey play. so since you are so good I am asking what you would've done

 

[festeringZit]

was asking about my terrible donkey shove on the turn....... which you told me to admit was a donkey play. so since you are so good I am asking what you would've done

I'm asking how you can insist on saying that you disagree that my overbet comment was about your shove, and not the flop bet?

I'll concede that chances are all the money is going in anyway. I'd suggest that a more reasonable line of play would be to make a reasonable raise
on the turn, and when I reraise you back, you can make a more educated decision.

 

[theDude24]

doesn't matter - you somehow vividly remember the chat, but not that I checked the turn - clearly I am lying

you concede the chances are the money goes in anyways, but my play was a donkey shove - makes sense - just shows how you start yelling for no reason but don't have a legitimate train of thought about the hand

 

[vitterd]

I'm asking how you can insist on saying that you disagree that my overbet comment was about your shove, and not the flop bet?

I'll concede that chances are all the money is going in anyway. I'd suggest that a more reasonable line of play would be to make a reasonable raise
on the turn, and when I reraise you back, you can make a more educated decision.

personally, I fold that hand he had when you bet the turn. I could easily put you on a hand like 7/9 there and how many hands can I beat with my k/10 anyway? He only has a min raise and half pot bet in at that point. So if he just calls you on the turn....what card is he looking for on the river to justify a call when you make a big play on the pot after his river check?



I dunno.....seems like an easy hand to get away from after your turn bet. Just my opinion but I've been wrong before and everyone had their own process. So I'm not judging what he did.....just saying what I would do

 

[festeringZit]

doesn't matter - you somehow vividly remember the chat, but not that I checked the turn - clearly I am lying

you concede the chances are the money goes in anyways, but my play was a donkey shove - makes sense - just shows how you start yelling for no reason but don't have a legitimate train of thought about the hand

I played thousands of hands yesterday, and I remembered almost everything about the hand, except that you checked the turn, and somehow that
invalidates your donkey move? Whatever dude.