Fuck Oregon.. every year they find themselves in the top25 hunt.. and blow it threw teams that they have no excuse to be losing to. Other than USC.. can you really trust this conference ? I see the QB spot has been something to note of, but after last week i had a feeling they would be in trouble against there opponent on Sat
You have no clue what I think about ASU. Some have expected them to be better this year than last but I've been saying they lost 5 big producers to the NFL from last year's team and Erickson hasn't had any time to recruit up his roster since he arrived.
I don't want to disappoint you but this is only week 4. We don't know yet what 3 time loser will be in the Rose Bowl this season like your great Illini of whom you had NO CRITICISM whatsoever.
Speaking of last year, wasn't it you that said the real measure of a conference was how many of its players were drafted into the NFL? What happened to that idea whormoan? Change your mind?
You are not off the hook yourself. Look who's talking.
Oregon really disappointed me yesterday. Just when you think they might've turned the corner mentally with their comeback on the road against Purdue, they completely shit all over themselves in terms of turnovers, mind-boggling playcalling, losing all focus on defense, and again, coaches NOT knowing their own personnel.
How can you suddenly not defend a one dimensional offense with your supposed strength (pass defense), especially after shutting down their run? The blown coverages and cover schemes were downright embarrassing. I could only see replays of the game, but on every single big play by BSU, you could see the Oregon LB's and secondary arguing amongst themselves. They had no clue out there despite the run being non-existant for BSU.
Why are you throwing on the goal line at the end of the 1st H with a running QB when the run has been getting you paid all game?
Why didn't you substitute your best passing QB PRIOR to the 4th Qtr when the game was already out of hand? Did you not know from practice that Thomas was your best option? Yeah, I imagine that Oregon probably wanted to RS this kid, but with the Roper injury last week, that plan should've been out the window immediately! So if you were gonna burn this kid's RS year anyway, why WAIT until the 4th Qtr to do so? Absolutely moronic decision by the coaching staff that they'll never be held responsible for.
Oregon fans will continue to hide behind QB injuries which, granted, they've had more than their fare share of, but there ARE other areas of the game which need to be emphasized. Good teams overcome injuries/depth issues on one side of the ball by stepping it up in the other phases of the game. For Oregon, however, it's always a case of just the opposite... when one part of their game falls apart, the rest follow. That is a sign of a fragile, finesse team and they appear to have taken yet another step back in the mental toughness category yesterday.
How can you suddenly not defend a one dimensional offense with your supposed strength (pass defense), especially after shutting down their run? The blown coverages and cover schemes were downright embarrassing. I could only see replays of the game, but on every single big play by BSU, you could see the Oregon LB's and secondary arguing amongst themselves. They had no clue out there despite the run being non-existant for BSU.
Why are you throwing on the goal line at the end of the 1st H with a running QB when the run has been getting you paid all game?
Why didn't you substitute your best passing QB PRIOR to the 4th Qtr when the game was already out of hand? Did you not know from practice that Thomas was your best option? Yeah, I imagine that Oregon probably wanted to RS this kid, but with the Roper injury last week, that plan should've been out the window immediately! So if you were gonna burn this kid's RS year anyway, why WAIT until the 4th Qtr to do so? Absolutely moronic decision by the coaching staff that they'll never be held responsible for.
Oregon fans will continue to hide behind QB injuries which, granted, they've had more than their fare share of, but there ARE other areas of the game which need to be emphasized. Good teams overcome injuries/depth issues on one side of the ball by stepping it up in the other phases of the game. For Oregon, however, it's always a case of just the opposite... when one part of their game falls apart, the rest follow. That is a sign of a fragile, finesse team and they appear to have taken yet another step back in the mental toughness category yesterday.
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HK, I can appreciate your frustration and I may even agree with some of your Sunday morning QBing. But don't forget that look on Chip Kelly's face after he lost his third starter of the season last week. Also, don't forget that the Duck's offense was thrown for a loop once again when Masoli got a concussion. That did in their passing game. And I don't disagree too much with Kelly/Bellotti's hesitation to bring in a freshman QB who they really wanted to redshirt this year. That was a sacrifice they really didn't want to make.
I think the real test for Oregon as a team is yet to come. There's been a lot of disrupting factors thus far, especially since the last week of practice. I think Kelly will come up with something when you give him some time to fix things. They are loaded with talent but have had their game plans destroyed too many times so far to judge them fairly as a team.
Again, this discussion is an endless cycle where something is obviously being lost in translation. Every time someone points out to Oregon fans that there are OTHER parts of the game than just offense, the response is always the same... "They're on their 14th QB, Chip Kelly is a mastermind, give it some time, etc." and all the points about DEFENSE, schemes, and coaching are all thrown out the window and not even addressed.
Just answer me this... WHEN will Oregon find stability in another phase of their game which will provide them a solid foundation they can rely on when shit potentially hits the fan in another phase of the game? How about finding a defensive identity for starters? Or working more on an offensive scheme that isn't 100% reliant on timing and spread situations, where ANY QB can come in and run it? Special teams need a lot help too, as they left 5 pts on the field yesterday with two blown 2-pt conversions and a missed XP, pathetic that this can happen AT HOME. Again, many other phases of the game that need to be addressed here, not merely who's taking the snaps. These are missing facets of Oregon's game that I've been talking about for years. I'm not 'Sunday morning QB'ing' from just their downfalls of yesterday; the reasons for Oregon's instability have always been the same and continue to go unaddressed.
Not trying to make excuses for a conference that has lost way too many games to MWC etc.... but
Overall I am impressed with the new players on many of the teams. That includes skill positions as well as linemen. But they are young and inexperienced. They won't know where their asses are for another month or two. I just think you don't come right back and play up to par when you lose more players to the NFL than any conference and have 2 teams less than the SEC or B-12. Compound that with 2 programs with SERIOUS problems in personnel. Wulff I feel sorry for him with what Doba left behind when he left. That's absolute bullshit. Then TW can't seem to fix the mountain of shit he had to clean up for. Consider where Alabama has been for the past few years. Shit like that happens.
Wierd shit happens too... in clusters. Look at the situation where so many OLs are so undermanned. That's rare. Team's rushing game are affected harshly by that... and not just one or two teams.
Still all the Pac-10 bashing above and beyond the simple facts is annoying. I know the conference is down this year but to make that any kind of basis for judging the programs is over the top.... brought on partially by the fact that USC is the best team in the country right now and they are from the Pac.
HK, I was expecting to see better defensive play from the Ducks. But the last couple of weeks they've been getting burned through the air, and that's with 3 out of 4 DB's who have been all conference quality players, up to very recently. Patrick Chung is NFL bound. Their corners are supposedly 2 lock down guys. I don't know why they've developed leaks recently but one thing I can tell you is that Nick Alliotti is not one of my favorite DC's. He's been on my shit list for a long time and he's been with the program for the better part of 20 years. I think it's an old boys thing. Maybe it's an Italian job. ???
In all seriousness, which team from the pac-crap would finish in the top 6 of the Big 12 or SEC. USC has 11 bye weeks while every other team knocks each other off. The cockroach that won't dye will unfortunately be in the discussion for the title when they have absolutely no business there without a ticket to the game
Rankings should be based on achievement, not projection.
Rankings should be based on achievement, not projection.
Of course not. Why would it be? My argument has never been that USC can't beat a given team in the title game. Any team that gets there is capable of beating their opponent. My point is that they don't deserve the puncher's chance. Why were they ranked #1 in the 1st place? Why are they currently ranked ahead of teams that have actually accomplished far more this yr? Should USC who lost to pathetic Oregon State be ranked ahead of an Okl team that lost to a very good Texas team, or an LSU team that lost to a very good Florida team? Who will be USC's marquee win this season - Ohio State without Beanie Wells and still starting Boekman at QB. Who in USC's conference is worth a damn or could finish in the top half of the legit conferences? Usc should be graded on their accomplishments, not what people project them to be (they are always busts in the NFL anyways and their talent is far overrated (and by the way they looked like shit today)
Don't worry, USC has no chance unless 2 of the 3 happen:
1. PSU loses.
2. The SEC CCG winner has 2 losses.
3. The Big 12 CCG winner has 2 losses.
Right now, both #1 and #2 look unlikely. PSU's last tough game is at tOSU who's struggling mightly on offense. The SEC CCG winner (UF or Bama) will most likely have only 1 loss. #3 has the best chance of happening of the three scenarios, but 'SC would still need #1 or #2 happen as well.
OK... so let's assume for a minute that Oregon State wins out. That puts them in the Rose Bowl and USC gets the Fiesta Bowl, even if they are ranked #2 because they did not win their conference. I'd root for that outcome. Riley deserves a big bowl game if he can pull that off. Small chance they will but he does get them up every week to play well so it can happen. I'd agree with you under those circumstances.
