The One Size Fits All Friendly Muslim Thread

[The Guesser]

Guesser, first of all, read this please:
http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm

There is a difference between archaic and outdated customs in some religions practiced by a few, and barbaric customs in Islam that while not practiced by most, are used by those in power by the rulers of a country or conquerors of a new territory. Systematic rape and murder in this century cannot be compared to the crusades, or an ancient Jewish law few Jews practiced, and 99.9% of Jews today are unaware even existed.

Let's try to further separate the argument. I understand your protest of Zit's conclusion that Islam is inherently evil. Is it? I don't know. But does it matter? I don't think so. What the Holy Book of any religion says is far less important than how it is interpreted by those who follow it or use it as an excuse for barbaric behavior. What cannot be denied is that those in Islam who wield power are committing mass killing and terror with the goal of spreading their particular version of Islam around the world. Since there are so many millions of Muslims around the world it is up to them to rid their societies of the terrorists in their midst. The problem is Muslim societies are by definition, broken, because keeping he people uneducated and subjugated benefits those in power.

Now in nascent Christianity many awful acts were committed, and our people received the brunt of it. The "Jews killed Jesus" libel did not begin until 200 years after Christianity was born. Many Jews were converted with a sword at the throat. Those who refused had their throats slit. Many do not know this either. Even with all the mass slaughter Christianity did not really take off until the Apostle Paul came up with a new gimmick, which was, "Convert, and no more circumcision required." -- "Wait, you're not gonna knife out part of my cock? Where do I sign up!?!" Now while Christianity still has its Mel Gibsons and its David Dukes most would agree it has modernized. The worst you might get these days is a knock on your door, and a "Have you heard the news?"

NOT THE CASE IN ISLAM!

So, this thread is mostly filled with the documentation of some of the horrible acts committed in the name of Islam. I can't see you or anyone taking issue with that. Is Zit over-killing it with the quotations? Well, that's what Zit does. If you want to see Zit overkill, 4 words will usually inspire it -- "They're born that way!" So that's Zit's style. You're both probably good guys, so no need for this to get so personal.

Big trouble Scotty. It's gonna be tough putting in bets on the net if my hands are chopped off.
[h=3]Masturbation[/h] Jewish law clearly prohibits male masturbation. This law is derived from the story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced coitus interruptus as a means of birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased brother. G-d killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly masturbation, Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by this passage, and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of the seed), that is, ejaculation outside of the vagina. In fact, the prohibition is so strict that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the case of a man, the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped off." (Niddah 13a)

The issue is somewhat less clear for women. Obviously, spilling the seed is not going to happen in female masturbation, and there is no explicit Torah prohibition against female masturbation. Nevertheless, Judaism generally frowns upon female masturbation as "impure thoughts."

 

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Menacing: Masked insurgents brandish rifles and bullets as their commander warns the Iraqi government

Taking control: Armed rebels patrol during clashes with Iraqi security forces in Fallujah over the weekend as the standoff continues

Rebellion: A young man raises his weapon as a fellow rebel keeps a watchful eye during the takeover

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Gunmen have opened fire on worshippers at a mosque near the Nigerian city of Kano, killing three and wounding 12, witnesses and police say.



The Islamist insurgent group Boko Haram is active in Kano, Nigeria's second biggest city.



The militants see anyone who does not follow their austere brand of Islam as apostates and have assassinated Muslim clerics who oppose them. They often target the security forces or Christians, but have attacked mosques in the past.

 

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Syria's armed opposition is continuing its offensive against al-Qaeda by pushing fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) out of yet another one of their bases. But territorial gains made by the opposition do not signal imminent victory.kth)(&^

 

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[h=1]Al-Qaeda-linked group 'kills' Aleppo captives[/h]

[h=2]Activists say the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has killed people in their custody in northern Syria.[/h]

The last three days of rebel-on-rebel clashes have reportedly killed more than 120 people [AFP]
The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has executed media activists, relief workers and other civilians that were held captive by the al-Qaeda-linked group in Syria's Aleppo, according to activists and a rebel fighter.
The prisoners, who were held in the ISIL detention centre in Qadi al-Askar district, were killed on Monday evening as clashes raged across Syria's opposition-held areas between the ISIL and several other rebel groups.

Activists circulated a photo of Maher Hasroumi, a Syrian media worker among the executed in Aleppo

According to activist group the Local Coordination Committees, at least 50 were killed.

 

[festeringZit]

Guesser, first of all, read this please:
http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm

There is a difference between archaic and outdated customs in some religions practiced by a few, and barbaric customs in Islam that while not practiced by most, are used by those in power by the rulers of a country or conquerors of a new territory. Systematic rape and murder in this century cannot be compared to the crusades, or an ancient Jewish law few Jews practiced, and 99.9% of Jews today are unaware even existed.

Let's try to further separate the argument. I understand your protest of Zit's conclusion that Islam is inherently evil. Is it? I don't know. But does it matter? I don't think so. What the Holy Book of any religion says is far less important than how it is interpreted by those who follow it or use it as an excuse for barbaric behavior. What cannot be denied is that those in Islam who wield power are committing mass killing and terror with the goal of spreading their particular version of Islam around the world. Since there are so many millions of Muslims around the world it is up to them to rid their societies of the terrorists in their midst. The problem is Muslim societies are by definition, broken, because keeping he people uneducated and subjugated benefits those in power.

Now in nascent Christianity many awful acts were committed, and our people received the brunt of it. The "Jews killed Jesus" libel did not begin until 200 years after Christianity was born. Many Jews were converted with a sword at the throat. Those who refused had their throats slit. Many do not know this either. Even with all the mass slaughter Christianity did not really take off until the Apostle Paul came up with a new gimmick, which was, "Convert, and no more circumcision required." -- "Wait, you're not gonna knife out part of my cock? Where do I sign up!?!" Now while Christianity still has its Mel Gibsons and its David Dukes most would agree it has modernized. The worst you might get these days is a knock on your door, and a "Have you heard the news?"

NOT THE CASE IN ISLAM!

So, this thread is mostly filled with the documentation of some of the horrible acts committed in the name of Islam. I can't see you or anyone taking issue with that. Is Zit over-killing it with the quotations? Well, that's what Zit does. If you want to see Zit overkill, 4 words will usually inspire it -- "They're born that way!" So that's Zit's style. You're both probably good guys, so no need for this to get so personal.

Islam is not just a religion it is a fascist ideology.

This quote by Christopher Hitchens (on similarities with Islam and Fascism) is enlightening:

“ The most obvious points of comparison would be these: Both movements are based on a cult of murderous violence that exalts death and destruction and despises the life of the mind. ("Death to the intellect! Long live death!" as Gen. Francisco Franco's sidekick Gonzalo Queipo de Llano so pithily phrased it.) Both are hostile to modernity (except when it comes to the pursuit of weapons), and both are bitterly nostalgic for past empires and lost glories. Both are obsessed with real and imagined "humiliations" and thirsty for revenge. Both are chronically infected with the toxin of anti-Jewish paranoia (interestingly, also, with its milder cousin, anti-Freemason paranoia). Both are inclined to leader worship and to the exclusive stress on the power of one great book. Both have a strong commitment to sexual repression—especially to the repression of any sexual "deviance"—and to its counterparts the subordination of the female and contempt for the feminine. Both despise art and literature as symptoms of degeneracy and decadence; both burn books and destroy museums and treasures.[SUP][3][/SUP]

• ^ Jump up to: [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] Hitchens, Christopher: Defending Islamofascism: It's a valid term. Here's why, Slate, 2007-10-22

 

[ScottL]

Big trouble Scotty. It's gonna be tough putting in bets on the net if my hands are chopped off.
Masturbation

Jewish law clearly prohibits male masturbation. This law is derived from the story of Onan (Gen. 38:8-10), who practiced coitus interruptus as a means of birth control to avoid fathering a child for his deceased brother. G-d killed Onan for this sin. Although Onan's act was not truly masturbation, Jewish law takes a very broad view of the acts prohibited by this passage, and forbids any act of ha-sh'cha'tat zerah (destruction of the seed), that is, ejaculation outside of the vagina. In fact, the prohibition is so strict that one passage in the Talmud states, "in the case of a man, the hand that reaches below the navel should be chopped off." (Niddah 13a)

The issue is somewhat less clear for women. Obviously, spilling the seed is not going to happen in female masturbation, and there is no explicit Torah prohibition against female masturbation. Nevertheless, Judaism generally frowns upon female masturbation as "impure thoughts."

Do you realize that I spent my time writing that post, a considerable amount of it? In that post I detailed why these customs are outdated, archaic and unknown by most Jews, both past and present. I then went to great pains to differentiate between what went on centuries ago, and what is happening RIGHT NOW, in Islam. And you respond with another quotation of archaic Jewish law. Are you serious? Your response was both lazy and unfair.

 

[ScottL]

Zit, do you know much about Hitchens? He is diametrically opposed to you in at least 90% of all political issues. Just letting you know.....

 

[festeringZit]

Zit, do you know much about Hitchens? He is diametrically opposed to you in at least 90% of all political issues. Just letting you know.....

Of course I do. That doesn't mean he's not spot on on this subject...

 

[festeringZit]

Do you realize that I spent my time writing that post, a considerable amount of it? In that post I detailed why these customs are outdated, archaic and unknown by most Jews, both past and present. I then went to great pains to differentiate between what went on centuries ago, and what is happening RIGHT NOW, in Islam. And you respond with another quotation of archaic Jewish law. Are you serious? Your response was both lazy and unfair.

Scott, He's just not that bright, and he knows absolutely nothing about what he's trying to talk about.

 

[The Guesser]

Do you realize that I spent my time writing that post, a considerable amount of it? In that post I detailed why these customs are outdated, archaic and unknown by most Jews, both past and present. I then went to great pains to differentiate between what went on centuries ago, and what is happening RIGHT NOW, in Islam. And you respond with another quotation of archaic Jewish law. Are you serious? Your response was both lazy and unfair.

Sorry you didn't get the humor. You usually do.

 

[ScottL]

Guesser I might have skimmed a bit and missed something. I just got irritated when I saw another religious passage. You either missed, or did not reply to my main point. Obviously Zit is further right than me on this issue. But I think the main point of this thread still holds. Barbaric acts against innocent people are perpetrated as religious calling by those who adhere to a strict version of Islam. Since these are the people who control most Islamic nations it waters down your attempt to refute it by saying most Muslims are peaceful. It's also pointless to compare murder in the name of Islam to modern day Christianity, or Landau breaking Jewish Law by flogging the log. I am with you that there is/was some crazy shit in all religious books and scrolls, but that's not the issue here. Also, I believe there is institutionalized child abuse in the Catholic Church, those who do and those who cover it up. But I will not stretch this into, "Christianity is bad." The Asshole that was banned again for spamming with these abuses had a point to make. But whatever occurs in other religions does not excuse the fact that our world is threatened by adherents to bin laden's sick philosophy.

 

[The Guesser]

Guesser I might have skimmed a bit and missed something. I just got irritated when I saw another religious passage. You either missed, or did not reply to my main point. Obviously Zit is further right than me on this issue. But I think the main point of this thread still holds. Barbaric acts against innocent people are perpetrated as religious calling by those who adhere to a strict version of Islam. Since these are the people who control most Islamic nations it waters down your attempt to refute it by saying most Muslims are peaceful. It's also pointless to compare murder in the name of Islam to modern day Christianity, or Landau breaking Jewish Law by flogging the log. I am with you that there is/was some crazy shit in all religious books and scrolls, but that's not the issue here. Also, I believe there is institutionalized child abuse in the Catholic Church, those who do and those who cover it up. But I will not stretch this into, "Christianity is bad." The Asshole that was banned again for spamming with these abuses had a point to make. But whatever occurs in other religions does not excuse the fact that our world is threatened by adherents to bin laden's sick philosophy.

Scott, that is my issue, the crazy shit in all Religions. Of course I am disgusted by the Radical Jihadist Muslims doing the crap they do, as you are. But it's not exclusive to Muslim's, is my point and I think the Banned Jaguara's. I fully agree with your last sentence. You are the voice of reason in this thread with your Post of the good that some Muslims have done. The Bin Laden sick and twisted version of Muslim is not the Muslim that most practice. If you think it is, we will just agree to disagree. Even in a Country like Iran, where the radicals rule, I maintain that the average Iranian just wants to go to work, go home, be with their family, and pray to their G-D.
Right after 9-11 I went to a Candy store near me. It's was owned and staffed by a few Muslims. I had hatred in my heart for them that day. I was disgusted with myself. These people didn't do anything to me, and for me to even have one shred of bad feeling towards them was wrong. Imagine that multiplied by a million. That's what many Muslims in our Country go through daily, and it's just disgusting. I swore that day I wouldn't be part of that herd.
I got your point, read your passage, and answered in what I thought was a humorous way.

 

[ScottL]

I hear ya Guesser. I do feel differently than you on some aspects of this issue, mainly the ones where I am right and you are wrong (LOL).
I am not one of "Those People" either. I won't condemn Islam, nor do I harbor ill feelings to Joe Iranian. Or should I say Jamil Iranian. I respect your right to have a different view, even if your point isn't as salient to this thread in my view. The voices of descent are crushed in Islamic societies. That is how power to evil is maintained. What bothers me more is that Muslims in free societies do not speak out against violent jihad in a loud enough voice.

 

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[h=1]One in ten children under five in England and Wales is Muslim: Researchers 'startled' by analysis of 2011 census figures[/h]

 

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The way Muslim women should dress in public has been a strongly debated topic in recent months.

But a new study has now revealed what the citizens of different Muslim countries believe is appropriate female dress - and how widely views differ between them.

The survey was conducted across seven countries - Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - which all have a majority Muslim population.
And the research from the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research found that most residents in these countries prefer women to cover their hair with a traditional hijab, al-Amira or head scarf rather than cover their entire face with a full burqa or niqab.

Survey: Chart shows how people from seven different countries with a majority-Muslim population believe women should dress

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[h=1]Pakistani boy who died trying to stop suicide bomber is hailed as hero[/h] Aitizaz Hasan, 15, is praised for saving classmates' lives by tackling bomber outside his school in north-western Pakistan

Pakistani security officials examine the site of the suicide bombing in Hangu. Photograph: Basit Shah/AFP/Getty Images


A 15-year-old who died while tried to defend his school in Pakistan's troubled north-west from a suicide bomber has been hailed as a hero for saving the lives of many of his classmates.
Aitizaz Hasan tackled the bomber as he stood outside as a punishment for being late to school in Hangu, a town in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, on Monday.
His two companions fled the scene after spotting the bomb being carried by the man, who was trying to gain access to the school, but Aitizaz grabbed the bomber.

Unable to stop him from detonating his bomb, Aitizaz later died of his wounds in hospital.
Hangu has a large community of Shias, an Islamic sect which many militant groups regard as heretics who should convert to the majority Sunni faith or be killed.

 

[festeringZit]

The way Muslim women should dress in public has been a strongly debated topic in recent months.

But a new study has now revealed what the citizens of different Muslim countries believe is appropriate female dress - and how widely views differ between them.

The survey was conducted across seven countries - Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - which all have a majority Muslim population.
And the research from the University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research found that most residents in these countries prefer women to cover their hair with a traditional hijab, al-Amira or head scarf rather than cover their entire face with a full burqa or niqab.

Survey: Chart shows how people from seven different countries with a majority-Muslim population believe women should dress

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[festeringZit]

 

[festeringZit]