The Golden State Serial Rapist & Killer: Its Not Over

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The killer was one of the lead cops of the Burglary Unit. He was probably going door to door warning people about all the burglaries and scoping out his potential victims, I'm sure some people would have probably even let him come inside to use the bathroom or phone if he was dressed in his police uniform. Sick fuck.

Hats off to those store employee's who tussled with him and ended up tying him to a chair before the police arrived when he was trying to steal the dog repellant and hammer, they must have been some strong guys and that's definitely something you'd never see happen in today's America.
 

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Make sure I got this right. They go to Ancestry or any other retail DNA company and get a hit on a family member and track this guy down using this method? I love it but I see the ACLU spending mucho dinero fighting this, even if authorities got a warrant. I did this a couple of years ago and I get emails all the time from 2nd and 3rd cousins wanting to know my family tree.

This is a game changer if the SCOTUS eventually holds this method up. I may have a 2nd cousin removed that is a serial killer, I want him/her to get busted if they are rapists or murderers.

Am I missing anything? Any civil libertarians out there that have a problem with this?



(If he gets a top attorney, maybe he can fight it, but I highly doubt the detectives did anything illegal......I read today they went thru GED Match, its an open free source with millions of DNA genealogy on there.)



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...olden-state-killer-genetic-privacy/index.html


Fears about the privacy of our data have become commonplace amid credit monitoring hacks and a political firm accessing Facebook users' information. A recent arrest takes it one step further, raising questions about how our genetic information is being used and who has access to it.

Nearly 32 years after the the Golden State Killer's rampage ended, police arrested Joseph James DeAngelo, 72, on Tuesday in a Sacramento, California, suburb. Police allege that he is the killer who is believed to be behind 12 deaths and at least 50 rapes in at least 10 counties in California from 1974 through 1986.

The arrest was made on the basis of genetic information, with detectives matching a discarded DNA sample from his home to evidence from the investigation, law enforcement officials said. DNA evidence is used to implicate criminals every day, but the method used in this case was new.



The investigators used an open-source genetic database, GEDmatch, to explore family trees and see whether any contained matches to DNA samples from the crime scenes, according to Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who briefed the Sacramento County sheriff throughout the final stages of the investigation.

Once a family profile was created, the investigators could find feasible "suspects" within a family.

If you or a relative have dipped into genetic research, should you be worried about your own privacy?

Laws have not caught up
Anyone can use GEDMatch, a website for amateur and professional researchers and genealogists. The site's free tools allow people to enter their DNA profiles or genealogical data -- the information received from commercial genetic testing companies such as 23andMe or Ancestry.com -- so they can find familial matches with other users.

Though the investigation for the Golden State Killer lasted decades, the DNA testing and matching took "only four months to get to the right pool of people," Holes told CNN. "With DeAngelo, there were over 100 distant relatives listed with some percentage of DNA match, so we looked at just how much DNA was shared. ... We only had to contact one or two people once we had all this information from GEDMatch."

In short, the investigators tracked down DeAngelo based on genetic information provided not by him but by one of his relatives.

"It is important that GEDmatch participants understand the possible uses of their DNA, including identification of relatives that have committed crimes or were victims of crimes," Curtis Rogers, co-founder of GEDmatch, said in a statement.

In fact, the company's website states, "We take measures to ensure that only registered users have access to your results, but those measures have not been and never will be perfect. Direct access to your data is available to GEDmatch personnel, including volunteers, on a need to know basis."

Jeremy Gruber, former president of the nonprofit Council for Responsible Genetics, whose books include "Genetic Explanations: Sense and Nonsense," said people who use commercial genetic testing companies to determine ancestry or genealogy are "oftentimes sacrificing their privacy."



"It's no different than what we're finding with general internet privacy," Gruber said, adding that a lot of companies "are using information in a way that was not anticipated a decade ago. The laws have simply not caught up with some of the new uses of personal information."

You are the product
Genetic testing appears to be an evolution in the "when the product is surprisingly cheap, you are the product" ethos: You are very much the product of commercial genetic testing companies while footing the bill, as reported by the authors of a 2014 article in The New England Journal of Medicine.

"23andMe has ... suggested that its longer-range goal is to collect a massive biobank of genetic information that can be used and sold for medical research and could also lead to patentable discoveries," wrote George J. Annas, a legal scholar at Boston University School of Public Health, and Dr. Sherman Elias of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at Feinberg School of Medicine at Northwestern University.

23andMe allows people, for a fee, to send in saliva samples that are used to generate selected genetic reports available for viewing online. It is one of the forerunners in the field of commercial genetic testing, as it is the first to provide genetic reports that meet Food and Drug Administration standards.

In a statement, 23andMe said that "it's our policy to resist law enforcement inquiries to protect customer privacy." The statement also notes that "we have never given customer information to law enforcement officials."

However, 23andMe's "transparency report" reads, "Under certain circumstances Personal Information may be subject to disclosure pursuant to judicial or other government subpoenas, warrants, or orders, or in coordination with regulatory authorities."

Commercial genetic testing companies are governed by the "same privacy laws applicable to any consumer product company," Gruber said. "Your genetic information, itself, is considered information like any other type of information about you. It doesn't have any additional levels of safety or security."

The 2013 Supreme Court case Association for Molecular Pathology v. Myriad Genetics Inc. found that DNA is not property, Gruber explained.

Yet your genetic information contains a treasure trove of health and ancestry information about you and your family.

If genetic information is shared with your physician or your health insurance company, there are "very robust protections" to safeguard it, Gruber said.

Specifically, 2008's Genetic Information and Non-Discrimination Act prohibits health insurance companies from using genetic information to make eligibility, coverage or premium-setting decisions. It also prevents employers from including genetic data in their decisions about hiring, firing and promotions.

"GINA was designed to cover employment and health insurance," Gruber said. However, the act does not apply to companies with fewer than 15 employees, and "other forms of insurance including life, disability and long-term care are not covered by GINA, though some (certainly a minority) of states do have limited protections for genetic information in these areas," he said.

'Wild West'
Unlike the protections offered by the act, legally, it's the Wild West when it comes to commercial genetic testing companies, Gruber said.

Many commercial genetic testing company contracts with participants "have clauses that allow them to change their policy as they choose," he said. "So not only are you oftentimes signing away your information, but you oftentimes are doing so in an environment where you're not fully confident that the company will not choose to make future decisions with that information."

GEDmatch takes transparency one step further.

"We cannot predict what the future will be for GEDmatch. It is possible that, in the future, GEDmatch will merge with, or operations will be transferred to other individuals or entities," the company states on its website. "That event would provide access to your data by people not currently involved in GEDmatch operations."

When you give your genetic information to a commercial genetic testing company, you're not only selling your own privacy but also that of others -- "even unknown family members that are connected to that individual," Gruber said.

"There have been cases with commercial genetic testing companies where individuals have discovered that who they thought were their parents weren't their parents," he said. "And things like infidelity and missing family members who may not have wanted to be contacted are found through the use of these types of services."

When collaborating on medical research, 23andMe shares with academic and industry partners genetic information from consenting customers that has been de-identified -- stripped of identifying information -- and bundled with data from other consenting customers.

All partners involved adhere to rigorous privacy and security standards, according to the company.

Yet when it comes to "anonymizing" DNA, it is so far impossible to truly do so, according to Yaniv Ehrlich, a core member at the New York Genome Center and assistant professor of computer science and computational biology at Columbia University.

"If your genome is out in a public database, then it is technically reasonable to re-ID you," said Erlich, who, with colleagues, published a paper in which "de-identified" genetic information was re-identified through cross-references to publicly available information.

GEDmatch is "a public database that allows searches to anyone with an internet connection," Erlich said, adding that "most genetic genealogy companies will not allow this type of search."

When a company shares de-dentified and aggregated data with partners they cannot guarantee what will happen to the information once it leaves their hands. Echoes of Facebook notwithstanding, one thing is clear when it comes to commercial genetic testing companies, Gruber said. People who use their products "don't usually have a full understanding and appreciation for what type of information they're giving those companies," and they don't understand that they've given up "any future control" over their information.

"Be cautious and fully informed," he said.
 

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One of our most notorious serial killers, Bruce McArthur, all his confirmed victims disappeared from 2010 to 2017. DeAngelo would not have left his semen had DNA existed.


This guy was a nut as well........the only people that saw Hus dark side were gay men. Chopping up men & spreading body parts to different locations. He was killing men he had relationships with, or met at bars, etc.......usually a quick way to get caught, but he was lucky to get away with it for so long.
 

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And I'll add, many serial killer victims are never found, unless they want them to be. Then, they will rarely mess up. Very interesting shit!


Yeah, if they're doing what Dexter did & dumping them in the ocean, or burying them 6 feet under......damn that's a lot of work. I'm assuming these killers live doing it like someone that loves a great job.
 

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The killer was one of the lead cops of the Burglary Unit. He was probably going door to door warning people about all the burglaries and scoping out his potential victims, I'm sure some people would have probably even let him come inside to use the bathroom or phone if he was dressed in his police uniform. Sick fuck.

Hats off to those store employee's who tussled with him and ended up tying him to a chair before the police arrived when he was trying to steal the dog repellant and hammer, they must have been some strong guys and that's definitely something you'd never see happen in today's America.


You know, I thought about when he got caught, & if I'm not mistaken, the cops on his force were all DNA tested years later, so if he was still a cop, wouldn't he have been caught in the 90's with taking his DNA? Dumb luck, he gets fired & nobody is the wiser & he stays free & unchallenged for over 25 or more years after DNA testing started.
 

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ID channel has a a 2 part Golden State Killer special tonight with part 1 from 10- 11pm EST

Inside Edition also has a GSK special from 10- 10:30pm EST




Tomorrow at 9pm on CBS there is a NEW episode of 48 Hours on the the Golden State Killer
 

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a reporter named angela with cbs sacramento 916-531-3536

i texted her what i wrote , and sent her a link to the thread .. she might be reaching out to you guys .. i didn't want to take all the credit or be a hog
of publicity .. she seemed interested in the angle therx is taking on this matter ( she asked if that was written by staff member of the board i didn't reply)

Tell me please you aren't dumb enough to send a message to a reporter linking her to a thread at the RX and actually think she cares?
 

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say goodbye to the cat and mouse game of serial killers from our youth.. gone are the days of tracking the stats from your favorite killer..

this is the era of the one and done murderers.. makes no sense to try and get on one of these hot streaks like this guy did it will never happen again...

ironically they are encouraging mass murders because no reason to even attempt to go one by one.. with cameras and dna you'll never get past one or two..

thats why now you have the las vegas tragedy etc ... law enforcement and the american public that allows this is just as complicit but they will never acknowledge

Just another casualty of the surveillance society.

Another example of technology eroding culture.
 
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Just another casualty of the surveillance society.

Another example of technology eroding culture.

It isn't much, but at least this guy is going to die in prison, alone, eating dogshit food, with his family knowing what a monster he was instead of taking this all to his grave. I wish we could watch him being arrested and know what was running through his mind.
 

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It isn't much, but at least this guy is going to die in prison, alone, eating dogshit food, with his family knowing what a monster he was instead of taking this all to his grave. I wish we could watch him being arrested and know what was running through his mind.


He told the cops arresting him he had a roast in the oven, & the cops said, font worry, we'll take care of it for you.

He was probably in complete shock when the cops came rolling up on him in his garage while he was standing there.

Kind of like what he was doing to his victims waking them up while they slept shining a flashlight in their eyes holding a gun to their face, complete shock.
 

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Wish one of those cops could have slapped him and told him to wake the fuck up you piece of shit.
 

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just saying.. i hope he is wrong I'm not a fan of this guy at all
 

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it took a bestselling book to get the Police to use 30+ yr. old evidence to catch a mass murderer?
 
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I watched this on 48 hours. The part where the guy gets up in the middle of a town hall meeting and proclaims that he'll kill the sonofabitch if he tries to come into his house or something like that, then his house gets hits shortly after (the rapists/killer was believed to have been at that very meeting and took it as a challenge) gave me chills. What an idiot that guy was though. If you are going to boast something like that and put your family in danger you better be awake all night every night with a shotgun sitting in the corner of the room with your whole family in it. Makes me angry.

Very fascinating story. The audacity of this guy. To hit over and over. Taunting the police. Glad they caught him although wish they caught him way earlier. At his age does it really matter?
 

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well he is going to die alone in a cold dark cell ... its not the volume of punishment we would like .. but he's gonna go out way worse than if he were with family in comfort of home
 

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Everyone wants to know what he was like as a teenager, what his home life growing up was like, what was he doing from 1980 thru 1991, as far as work goes.

He's not talking tho, the guy may take all his secrets to the grave. I wonder if he will commit suicide so he's never convicted in court & not much will come out. This guy is very complex, I don't think we've ever seen a serial burglar/rapist/killer like him.
 
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Everyone wants to know what he was like as a teenager, what his home life growing up was like, what was he doing from 1980 thru 1991, as far as work goes.

He's not talking tho, the guy may take all his secrets to the grave. I wonder if he will commit suicide so he's never convicted in court & not much will come out. This guy is very complex, I don't think we've ever seen a serial burglar/rapist/killer like him.

I would definitely like to know more about him and his past.
 

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