The evolution of the 9/11 conspiracy theory

[vanilla28]

Funny that Ive NEVER in the hundred or so videos Ive seen of people who got out EVER heard them mention EVEN ONCE the unmistakeable stench of jet fuel. Jet fuel stinks to high heaven and according to sheeple like Willie it went down the elevator shafts and caused explosions far below the impact point of his "jets."


www.fitnessloving.com

 

[Willie99]

TR takes another turn into lala land. You never told me if you are officially off the mini-nuke theory.

I'm sorry I answered yet another one of your questions, while dance around every one posed to you.

 

[Willie99]

Funny that Ive NEVER in the hundred or so videos Ive seen of people who got out EVER heard them mention EVEN ONCE the unmistakeable stench of jet fuel. Jet fuel stinks to high heaven and according to sheeple like Willie it went down the elevator shafts and caused explosions far below the impact point of his "jets."


www.fitnessloving.com

there were no implosions, the move advanced conspiracy whackos have abandoned that lost cause and moved onto holograms and energy weapons, something sooooo far fetched that science is ignoring such nonsense. Everything else has already been put to bed, if you have a brain wave anyways.

"Sheeple"

:nohead::nohead::nohead:

 

[barman]

Go Willie Go....

If you keep Replying to the Kooks, you can do your part in creating yet another 5 page thread (125+ posts) here at our PoliticoPub which will be viewed by about ten people (based on past View counts for various 9/11Kookster Topics)

 

[Willie99]

Go Willie Go....

If you keep Replying to the Kooks, you can do your part in creating yet another 5 page thread (125+ posts) here at our PoliticoPub which will be viewed by about ten people (based on past View counts for various 9/11Kookster Topics)

It's an illness my cyber barfriend. I need professional help. I can't tell my family and friends, they'd laugh at me for having such discussions. I can't tell my clients, I'd probably have to give up a few vices.

So I live my secret life, responding to 9/11 kooks because I have to.

Pathetic, I know. But you do understand, I know you do.

 

[Willie99]

No planes? I agree. I have discovered evidence that details Bigfoot was running a hologram projector.

Bigfoot was even in on the fake moon landings and was seen running from the levees in New Orleans.

Of course, the reason we don't have any videos of a plane hitting the pentagon is because the projector malfunctioned.

:missingte

 

[TotalRecall]

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Go Willie Go....

If you keep Replying to the Kooks, you can do your part in creating yet another 5 page thread (125+ posts) here at our PoliticoPub which will be viewed by about ten people (based on past View counts for various 9/11Kookster Topics)
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It's an illness my cyber barfriend. I need professional help. I can't tell my family and friends, they'd laugh at me for having such discussions. I can't tell my clients, I'd probably have to give up a few vices.

So I live my secret life, responding to 9/11 kooks because I have to.

Pathetic, I know. But you do understand, I know you do. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Willie doesnt answer the questions. He responds with ridicule- but never answers the questions.

But since you think youre on a roll im gonna ask you another question you will not respond with an answer to.

Why would someone jump cut this so call amateur video? Go to 6:12 and watch the switch. At 6:13 its a different color and is zoomed in proving it to be a fake. Honest filming by honest amateurs huh?

Funny- he was just in the process of zooming out since 6:07 when this happened.:nohead:

I cant wait for your non answer response.

Still waiting for the jet fuel answer along with all the rest.:nohead:



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[ScottL]

"He responds with ridicule"

Anyone who believes the government executed 9/11 or that there were no planes could never receive the full volume of ridicule he truly deserves.

 

[random1323]

so if it is a conspiracy does the other side deserve ridicule?

 

[ScottL]

If it WAS, we WOULD.

 

[random1323]

scott, have you ever watched any of the documentaries that explain in great detail the 911 stuff. such as loose change final cut or zeitgeist?

 

[ScottL]

Yes and they are BS. Random, I'm not going to get into this with you as we are entrenched in our views here and one of us is right and the other is crazy as a loon.

Believing 9/11 was something other than planes hijacked by Islamic extrements from abroad, and flown into our government and financial centers as an act meant to murder and terrorize is like -- getting hit in the stands by a foulball and claiming the pitcher was aiming at you. It's preposterous!

 

[random1323]

facts are facts neither of these videos have been touched by you debunkers. i don't believe you r a loon. i just think your trained to think certain things such as government are not capable of such acts even though that's how most wars are brought about. i would love for you to back up your BS claim. exactly what's BS? i don't want a broad, "if you think our government did this your crazy statement" either.

 

[ScottL]

Random I don't think I can give you what you want here. All these discussions take the same road, even if at the outset we all try to play fair.

I'll give you this. No, I don't think the gov't is evil. Was I 'trained' to think that way? No, I don't think so lol. But I'll readily admit the US gov't might be the single most inefficient entity in the world. I just don't think it's intended that way.

Anyway, getting back to the point, this is where *Intention* comes in. You stated, "facts are facts," and indeed this is true. Now, it is an accepted fact that the overwhelming majority of people in the world believe that bin Laden and his minions executed the events of 9/11.

The *Intention* was to terrorize. It is his stated belief and goal that if over time he can murder 4 million Americans than we will submit to [his brand of radical] Islam. That is the strategy of al Queda -- to RANDOMly murder non-believers [read:innocent people] until they submit, in order to establish a worldwide Islamic caliphate. bin Laden and his ideological bretheren have used airplane hijackings to varying degreees of 'success' since Yasir Arafat 'invented' them in 1973.

Above I have given you bin Laden's motive and his intention. Now, please tell me, using your own logic why members of the American gov't might believe it would be a good idea to conspire to:

1--recruit Arab Islamic Fundamentalists
2--Train them to hijack and fly planes into our financial and defensive centers,
3-- murdering [a number they could not know beforehand]THOUSANDS of INNOCENT people,
4--In buildings rigged to be demolished sometime after impact.

Random, you are the naysayer. You say bin Laden didn't do it, we did. The burden of proof is on you. But I don't even require that. Simply tell me what certain powerful members of the American gov't hoped to accomplish by doing the above attrocities. How many people were in on the plot. Who were the leaders? Thanks!

 

[random1323]

we'll never know who planned it because it was covered up. the only bin laden admission is a debated forgery. he was writing with his non-dominant hand and wearing jewelery, strictly forbidden in his religion. the FBI has not listed 911 as one his acts on their website because they have no hard evidence. since we trained AL-QaEDA i don't think it's that hard to believe that they would go along with it all.

as for why evil elements in our government would do this. war = money for people with a vested interest in the defense market.

 

[random1323]

see this is what leads me to believe that u do not watch these documentaries. they go into great detail about all of what u asked siting document after document experienced witness after experienced witness and yet still the same questions as the next debunker that claims these documentaries are BS.

 

[Dilrod]

I think Scotty might be on to something, it's PREPOSTEROUS that intelligence agencies would kill white people for political means!

:nohead:

Operation Gladio is undisputed historical fact. Gladio was part of a post-World War II program set up by the CIA and NATO supposedly to thwart future Soviet/communist invasions or influence in Italy and Western Europe. In fact, it became a state-sponsored right-wing terrorist network, involved in false flag operations and the subversion of democracy.
The existence of Gladio was confirmed and admitted by the Italian government in 1990, after a judge, Felice Casson, discovered the network in the course of his investigations into right-wing terrorism. Italian prime minister Giulio Andreotti admitted Gladio’s existence but tried to minimize its significance.
The main function of the Gladio-style groups, in the absence of Soviet invasion, seems to have been to discredit left-wing groups and politicians through the use of “the strategy of tension,” including false-flag terrorism. The strategy of tension is a concept for control and manipulation of public opinion through the use of fear, propaganda, agents provacateurs, terrorism, etc. The aim was to instill fear into the populace while framing communist and left-wing political opponents for terrorist atrocities.

Gladio and its “stay-behind” networks may be one of the most historically “accepted” or “confirmed” examples of false-flag terrorism. The documentation, the resolutions, confessions, and convictions all confirm that Gladio is much more than the media or government would have you believe—a mere “conspiracy theory.” See the State Department’s special site dedicated to dismissing “conspiracy theories,” including their page on Gladio.
Truth movers should take advantage of Gladio and the stay-behind networks as a confirmed precedent of the US and western governments participating in ruthless terrorist attacks against their own people in order instill fear, control the population, and frame left-wing political opponents. People who believe that such things do not or cannot happen should be forcefully made aware of such examples as Operation Gladio.
Evidence

• The August 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station which killed 85 people, is widely recognized as a Gladio operation. While it was initially blamed on the communist “Red Brigades,” eventually, right-wing and fascists elements were discoverd to be the culprits. Two Italian secret service agents and Licio Gelli, the head of the infamous P2 Masonic lodge, were convicted in connection to the bombing. 1
• “The makings of the bomb… came from an arsenal used by Gladio… according to a parliamentary commission on terrorism… The suggested link with the Bologna massacre is potentially the most serious of all the accusations levelled against Gladio, and comes just two days after the Italian Prime Minister, Giulio Andreotti, cleared Gladio’s name in a speech to parliament, saying that the secret army did not drift from its formal Nato military brief” The Guardian January 16, 1991 1
• 1969: “In Italy, the Piazza Fontana massacre in Milan kills 16 and injures and maims 80 [….] during a trial of rightwing extremists General Giandelio Maletti, former head of Italian counterintelligence, alleges that the massacre had been carried out by the Italian stay-behind army and rightwing terrorists on the orders of the US secret service CIA in order to discredit Italian Communists.” 10
• 1985: “In Belgium, a secret army attacks and shoots shoppers in supermarkets randomly in the Brabant county killing 28 and leaving many wounded. Investigations link the terror to a conspiracy among the Belgian stay-behind SDRA8, the Belgian Gendarmerie SDRA6, the Belgian right-wing group WNP and the Pentagon secret service DIA.” 10
• According to Vincenzo Vinciguerra, a far-right terrorist linked to Gladio and currently serving a life-sentence for the car bomb murder of 3 policement, “The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security. This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened.” 6
• Vinciguerra also made this statement to The Guardian, “The terrorist line was followed by camouflaged people, people belonging to the security apparatus, or those linked to the state apparatus through rapport or collaboration. I say that every single outrage that followed from 1969 fitted into a single, organised matrix… Avanguardia Nazionale, like Ordine Nuovo (the main right-wing terrorist group active during the 1970s), were being mobilised into the battle as part of an anti-communist strategy originating not with organisations deviant from the institutions of power, but from within the state itself, and specifically from within the ambit of the state’s relations within the Atlantic Alliance.” 1
• In 1990, the European Parliament passed a resolution condemning Gladio. The resolution requested full investigations and a total dismantlement of the paramilitary structures involved—neither of which have come to pass.
• Similar Gladio-like operations have been discovered across Europe, including France, Belgium, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway, Germany, Switzerland…

 

[ScottL]

Oren/Dilrod I remain convinced that you are a dolt. Thanks for reaffirming. At least Random was polite enough to AVOID ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS instead of going off topic to spam the thread with garbage.

AND... Before I reopened this thread , seeing 'Dilweed' as the last poster I called every local bookmaker I know and offered them +3/1 that Oren's post would contain at least one moronic laughing dog. No Takers....

 

[ScottL]

Again, For The Daft....

Random I don't think I can give you what you want here. All these discussions take the same road, even if at the outset we all try to play fair.

I'll give you this. No, I don't think the gov't is evil. Was I 'trained' to think that way? No, I don't think so lol. But I'll readily admit the US gov't might be the single most inefficient entity in the world. I just don't think it's intended that way.

Anyway, getting back to the point, this is where *Intention* comes in. You stated, "facts are facts," and indeed this is true. Now, it is an accepted fact that the overwhelming majority of people in the world believe that bin Laden and his minions executed the events of 9/11.

The *Intention* was to terrorize. It is his stated belief and goal that if over time he can murder 4 million Americans than we will submit to [his brand of radical] Islam. That is the strategy of al Queda -- to RANDOMly murder non-believers [read:innocent people] until they submit, in order to establish a worldwide Islamic caliphate. bin Laden and his ideological bretheren have used airplane hijackings to varying degreees of 'success' since Yasir Arafat 'invented' them in 1973.

Above I have given you bin Laden's motive and his intention. Now, please tell me, using your own logic why members of the American gov't might believe it would be a good idea to conspire to:

1--recruit Arab Islamic Fundamentalists
2--Train them to hijack and fly planes into our financial and defensive centers,
3-- murdering [a number they could not know beforehand]THOUSANDS of INNOCENT people,
4--In buildings rigged to be demolished sometime after impact.

Random, you are the naysayer. You say bin Laden didn't do it, we did. The burden of proof is on you. But I don't even require that. Simply tell me what certain powerful members of the American gov't hoped to accomplish by doing the above attrocities. How many people were in on the plot. Who were the leaders? Thanks!

..........

 

[random1323]

apparently you don't know how the justice system works. innocent until proven guilty, in regards to osama. they have no hard evidence.

and what question did i avoid and you didn't address any of my points.

see this is what leads me to believe that u do not watch these documentaries. they go into great detail about all of what u asked siting document after document experienced witness after experienced witness and yet still the same questions as the next debunker that claims these documentaries are BS.