The 3 baseball cards that started the fall of the industry.

[Buster]

here is a story on baseball cards that may interest some...don't know if video is still available...

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=501635&highlight=baseball+cards

 

[1cheater]

What started the fall was overproduction

What brought it back was limited, numbered rookie cards, autograph & game used memorabilia inserts.

What caused the fall again was overpricing.....

Good post, but the ultimate was over production. Upper Deck came out with a great looking card and by 90 they were way over producing. Bottum line, if these greedy basterds would have kept production down they would still thriving. Good thing my Upper Deck Brett Favre rookies have held there ground.

 

[cadillacman]

Don Mattingly's 1984 Donruss Card....the card I had to have.

 

[kidman232]

Good post, but the ultimate was over production. Upper Deck came out with a great looking card and by 90 they were way over producing. Bottum line, if these greedy basterds would have kept production down they would still thriving. Good thing my Upper Deck Brett Favre rookies have held there ground.

you can buy the ud favre's for under $10, his stadium club card is rc that holds value, but still do to over production pales in value compared to some flops in recent yrs.

 

[1cheater]

you can buy the ud favre's for under $10, his stadium club card is rc that holds value, but still do to over production pales in value compared to some flops in recent yrs.

Sorry, I meant the Stadium Club, I had UD on the brain. I believe the Stadium one's are 60$ or so? Stadium Clubs are truly beatiful cards. I think I paid 3.50 a pack for those back in 91'

 

[1cheater]

Anyone know what Action Packed are going for? they were rediculously priced, 8 cards? were like 3.75-4.50 a pack. Have they tanked too?

 

[ChrisParadise]

Don Mattingly's 1984 Donruss Card....the card I had to have.

forgot about that one - that was the first 20$ card that was less than two years old

 

[1cheater]

I remember when the Frank Thomas rookie was the most desired card for like 3-4 years, the prices were sick, so I stayed away.

 

[1cheater]

Who remembers Eric Davis? lol

 

[HacheMan]

Anyone know what Action Packed are going for? they were rediculously priced, 8 cards? were like 3.75-4.50 a pack. Have they tanked too?

Last time I checked they werent worth anything either cheater.

Remember they had the 24kt Gold ones too, lol

They also had some other weird inserts.

I get an Eddie George (Titans RB) with a real diamond (real tiny!) stuck on his ear of his card........

 

[1cheater]

I thought they were a very kewl looking card and the 8 cards per pack and high price per pack would keep them stable, apparently not.. I wonder what those very few solid 24k gold cards go for?

 

[HacheMan]

Oh, they were very cool at the time.

But what we thought was limited back then simply was not..........

 

[kidman232]

like the old guys stuff myself

 

[FairWarning]

Very nice Kidman. Cards like that Unitas will always hold their value.

 

[HacheMan]

I had started collecting again through the years, up until about a year ago and quit again.

I'm still a fan of the rare autograph & game-worn memorabilia rather than rookie cards.

If any of you are familiar with the game-worn stuff, they simply take a player's jersey (or whatever) and cut it up in pieces, and apply it to the card in some type of uniqu way. Most of the cards are limited & numbered to a certain amount, and some are much better than others & worth more because you get ones that may have a piced of the number, patch, or logo from the jersey compared to most that just have the jersey piece.

The only thing I dont like is they simply authenticate that it was "worn in an actual game by the player"

At one time, I was speaking with Upper Deck & Topps & explaining that they should take it a step further, and start getting the jerseys from players after they have a big game or something, and specify on the card exactly what game the piece of jersey was worn in, and the accomplishments the player had in that game as in passing yards, rushing yards, receiving yards, sacks & tackles, or whatever, as well as the date & the team it was against of course.

I believe it was Topps who seems more interested, but never say anything come out of it.

Sure would make the game-worn cards much more interesting in my opinion....

 

[kidman232]

some brand actually do that now, like congrats you received a game worn jersey of peyton manning from his 10/2/08 game vs the titans in which he has 313 yards and 3 tds. some brands even have a picture on the back of where ur swatch came from on the jersey.

the problem with memorabilia cards is the market in faking patches, in which you take a player worn 1 color piece and insert some random swatch that has multiple colors to increase your profits. reall a big issue with sp authentic rc swatches, and one of the other down falls of the hobby

 

[HacheMan]

some brand actually do that now, like congrats you received a game worn jersey of peyton manning from his 10/2/08 game vs the titans in which he has 313 yards and 3 tds. some brands even have a picture on the back of where ur swatch came from on the jersey.

I've been out of the game for about a year kidman, so if this is the case, I dont think it's coincidence after so many years of NOT doing it, they suddenly start after exchanging so many emails about it.

Of course taking credit for it sounds absurd.

I will have to dig up all of the emails now!

 

[kidman232]

lol yea, honestly i think someone like fleer did it a few years back, then companies basically took the lazy way out and made generic backs that logo and name could be just be switched out to save time/costs. Some of the nicer brands now will do it, i mean shit, upper deck use to have memorable moment base cards, that would be dated to a certain games/stats for a big performance.

The market is just watered down right now in both number of products/brands and also what each box contains inside. Back in like 96 or 98, pulling an upper deck jersey card of like barkey/jordan/ even kevin johnson would book a couple hundred bucks, be like 1:2500 packs or some shit, now its like 4-6 game used a box.

 

[HacheMan]

Oh, I know, I actually pulled a Jordan AND Penny Hardaway Upper Deck SP Autograph exchange cards the first year they were out in the SAME BOX in a mall from the very top packs!

Sold the Jordan for $3,000 (was going to $5,000) and like a dumb azz kept the Hardaway that I could have gotten $1,000 for but was a Magic fan.....hno:

 

[kidman232]

yea, basically 1998 is the last yr of marquee rookie cards before the market got flooded, peyton manning contenders leads the way