Terrorist Attack in Charlottesville

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This all began because someone decided, as other elected officials have across the country, to cave in to partisan political pressures and seek to erase American history. History is not there for us to love or hate, but for us to learn from and seek to not repeat its mistakes.
If there are those who truly believe we protect ourselves by trying to revise history due to false emotions, then we miss out on who we are as a nation, and our evolution. The statues of long since deceased leaders of the Confederate Army do not stand to remind anyone of oppression. And if a statue can oppress you, then I submit that you have greater issues.
I certainly did not appreciate former President Barack Obama taking a photo op in Cuba before the image of Che Guevara, nor do I enjoy seeing anyone wearing said image on t-shirts here in America…but I do not go into some whimsical state of “oppression.”
And so it is that we do possess in this Constitutional Republic a freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It would appear that said group who didn’t wish to see the statue of Virginian, General Robert E. Lee, who was a commissioned U.S. Army officer, graduate of West Point, and served the nation in the Mexican War, taken down did apply for a permit to hold a rally. We can dislike these individuals, but they took proper measures to secure permission to express their First Amendment right.
Contrary to their position, the word went out for a counter-protest to occur which included groups from a different side of the political spectrum, who have also been very guilty of hateful rhetoric and violence. What should have happened is that these two groups should have been kept miles apart. I do not understanding why any local law enforcement agency would allow these two groups close proximity…first lesson learned. And we must also ascertain, did the counter-protest group seek permit or did they just “show up” in order to provoke, and elicit a response they could use “politically?” Yes, motivations are important to understand in this case, if we’re serious about getting to the bottom of what happened in Charlottesville and not just the typical media-driven frenzy.
I find it rather odd that so many are seeking to lay blame on President Trump for what happened in Charlottesville. And there are some voices out there who want to blame all white people, and all Republicans. How odd that when it was the New Black Panther Party outside a voting precinct in Philadelphia in black fatigues and with clubs, nothing was said. As a matter of fact, they weren’t even prosecuted for voter intimidation. And when it was the riots in Ferguson and Baltimore fueled by media false narratives and a presidential administration’s rhetoric, there was no blame laid on Barack Obama. It appears to me that there is a blatant hypocrisy when an individual commits a horrible crime, such as in Charleston, South Carolina, and a collective group of people are to be held accountable.
But, when there’s an Islamic terror attack people say, “we cannot rush to judgment” or “this is not indicative of all Muslims”…to wit I agree, but why not call the enemy for what it is” militant Islamic terrorism or jihadism? Why must some be browbeaten into condemning the actions of a few, yet we have others who have fully admitted their support to groups calling for a “resistance?” And where were the voices to condemn the violence in Washington DC on Inauguration Day, or even at UC-Berkeley…or the violence committed against those who support the current president or hold beliefs aligned with Constitutional conservatism?
If we want to condemn groups such as the neo-Nazis and others, then we must also condemn groups such as BLM and Antifa. And we need to stop the cherrypicking, as they all should be investigated. Let’s end this absurdity of trying to connect the Republican Party with the Ku Klux Klan, since it was a creation of the Democrat Party. And I seem to recall Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, infamously known as a grand wizard of the Klan, lauded over at his memorial by Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton. It was Senator Byrd who was vehemently against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen who supported its passage.
James Alex Fields will be punished to the full extent of the law, and I truly believe he should never see the light of day again. But if we blindly do not realize there has been an atmosphere of hatred fomented in this nation, we are ignorant. Who even remembers the fella who attempted to gun down several Republican Members of Congress at a baseball practice, severely wounding Rep. Steve Scalise? The mainstream liberal progressive media pushed that aside rather quickly, and let us not forget MSNBC commentator, Joy Reid, who on her Sunday show actually sought to justify Rep. Scalise’s shooting because of his voting record. Now, where was the condemnation there, and why is it that Ms. Reid still has a position and a show on that network?
Fareed Zakaria praised the Central Park play depicting the “Caesar-like” stabbing to death of President Trump — last time I checked he was still on CNN. And how many Democrat elected officials were pressured into making statements of condemnation of one Kathy Griffith who notoriously held up the bloodied severed head resembling President Trump?
There’s plenty of guilt to be passed around here, but the progressive socialist left will sadly exploit this for all they can. They will horribly believe this will provide them some sort of electoral advantage. They fail to realize they’re just as complicit in what happened in Charlottesville. Let me ask that age-old rhetorical question: “if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there, does it make a sound?”
If we were to go back and ponder this incident and just let a small group of disaffected individuals hold a rally to protest the possible taking down of a statue of General Robert E. Lee, and no one had showed up…Instead a call went out and trouble, violence ensued. Or maybe, if we had courageous elected officials who would just say, those statues aren’t offending anyone; they’re part of American history, and they stay. Imagine that, would there even be a story, any rally, and violence?
What happened in Charlottesville must not be allowed to happen again. And that means we need to hold ANY group responsible that promotes violence. “What do we want, dead cops; when do we want them, now”…”Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon”…no more. Our streets aren’t the place for hoods and masks, such as Antifa wears, and their violence and destruction of property. Let’s call them all out, and not have this selective enforcement mentality rooted in partisan political hackery. If we don’t stop the blatant hypocrisy, which is truly the problem, then we’re sitting on a powder keg — which I believe some wish for.
I have an idea. If y’all want to fight, sign up in the U.S. military — if you meet the standards. There are plenty of folks who do indeed hate the United States. Channel your angst against them…not each other.
 

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I would think there is consensus opinion these KKK/Alt-right/white supremacy types are bad hombres. Not sure what point you think you are making.

Maybe the KKK and white supremacy, but I think you are wrong about the Alt-right. I don't think there's a consensus on these guys, at least not yet. I think a lot on the right are aligned with them or sympathize with them. The Alt-right is a little better at hiding their racism and dressing it up as patriotism.
 

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Maybe the KKK and white supremacy, but I think you are wrong about the Alt-right. I don't think there's a consensus on these guys, at least not yet. I think a lot on the right are aligned with them or sympathize with them. The Alt-right is a little better at hiding their racism and dressing it up as patriotism.

You can't be this dumb.
 

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Maybe the KKK and white supremacy, but I think you are wrong about the Alt-right. I don't think there's a consensus on these guys, at least not yet. I think a lot on the right are aligned with them or sympathize with them. The Alt-right is a little better at hiding their racism and dressing it up as patriotism.
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Just look at this thread.. I don't see anyone of these "conservatives" here denouncing these action. Rather talk about BLM or some other point than directly denounce these acts
 

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Maybe these alt right and antifa will kill each other off. Both are scum
 

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I don't defend the alt right trash but look at what happened here. The left organized an attack on these guys and the police stood down. I wouldn't have batted an eye if one of these Hitler youth got beaten up but you are either a nation of laws or you or not. You can't believe in the first amendment only when you like the content of the speech.
 

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Just look at this thread.. I don't see anyone of these "conservatives" here denouncing these action. Rather talk about BLM or some other point than directly denounce these acts

I don't support that kind of bullshit in any way shape or form. For you to suggest that I do makes me nauseous.

How about this?

What about when you called me a "racist" and "ignorant" in this thread without ever seeing a racist comment ever at the RX? What about telling me blacks are oppressed in the U.S. without providing a shred of evidence to show that's true?

Do wonder you disappeared.
 

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Just look at this thread.. I don't see anyone of these "conservatives" here denouncing these action. Rather talk about BLM or some other point than directly denounce these acts

Not one person here finds these KKK protests acceptable. I find them acceptable only if they're peaceful as I believe in the 1st Amendment.
 

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This is how the media writes it up.

An Ohio man has been charged in connection with driving a car into a group of peaceful counter-protestors during a white nationalist rally on 12 August 2017, killing a 32-year-old woman and injuring at least nineteen others before backing away at top speed and driving off.
 

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Funny how the Left is now all of a sudden claiming the moral high ground, when in fact they're the most bigoted, racist, violent group out there. They are the very definition of hypocrisy, and not only condone violence, but applaud it.
 

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"Racism is evil -- and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said in response to the attacks in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend.
"Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America," Trump said.

"In times such as these, America has always shown its true character -- responding to hate with love, division with unity, and violence with an unwavering resolve for justice," Trump said.

"As a candidate I promised to restore law and order to our country, and our federal law enforcement agencies are following through on that pledge," Trump said. "We will spare no resource in fighting so that every American child can grow up free from violence and fear. We will defend and protect the sacred rights of all Americans and we will work together so that every citizen in this blessed land is free to follow their dreams, in their hearts, and to express the love and joy in our souls."
 

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Maybe the KKK and white supremacy, but I think you are wrong about the Alt-right. I don't think there's a consensus on these guys, at least not yet. I think a lot on the right are aligned with them or sympathize with them. The Alt-right is a little better at hiding their racism and dressing it up as patriotism.

Alt-right just a vague term though. Hardly a monolithic group.

I think most are against these protests by white supremacists groups. Even if they may sympathize with their less extreme statements. That's what extremist groups do though, some of their platform overlaps with viewpoints of non-extremists.
 

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Alt right - same shit as black lives matter - and radical young liberals - they should all just drive cars into each other daily
 

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