Regardless of the chargeback, tcbets and all the books under the mvpsportsbook umbrella have some of the worst withdrawal fees in the industry. They are the only books I am aware of that hit you with the 30 day rule even if you don't get a bonus. As soon as send them money, you are basically promising to leave the money there for 30 days, or you will cover the deposit fees. SO even if you roll your money 10x, never take a bonus, you still have to leave your money with them for 30 days, or they will make you reimburse them for the deposit fees. These places are really only good for the very small players who know they won't need to make more than one withdrawal every 30 days.
1) I will stand behind TC 100%.Dave is a stand-up cat(one of only a handful down there I might add), and he isn't going to come in here and say sh*t if he isn't totally in the right on this situation. They advertise with me and have paid my fees as well as any contest prizes to any winners we have had promptly and with a smile. This is a bogus claim, TC isn't going anywhere. Furthermore, I am so confident in their solvency that if they ever did go under I will guarantee the funds of every person I ever sent there as an advertiser of theirs.
2) Dalton is also a very classy individual and I know he wouldn't have TC in his building if he wasn't 100% confident in Dave's ability to run TC to the best of his ability. Anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to come with me to CR in May or June of this year to meet them both. I promise you that you will come away impressed.
3) Marc, this one is for you buddy. Why should MVP pay your bills? If you want to jump around and whore for bonuses or perks or lines then you should pay. You want to be a loyal customer and settle with a solid company then MVP and their umbrella's are happy to pick up the tab for your play. If you go to Vegas on a comp and don't play a lick at the casino that comped you do you think you will get a return invite? Same premise here.
MVP has my vote for being smart enough to recognize a way that money was seeping slowly out of their accounts and finding a fix for it.
MC
2) Dalton is also a very classy individual and I know he wouldn't have TC in his building if he wasn't 100% confident in Dave's ability to run TC to the best of his ability. Anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to come with me to CR in May or June of this year to meet them both. I promise you that you will come away impressed.
3) Marc, this one is for you buddy. Why should MVP pay your bills? If you want to jump around and whore for bonuses or perks or lines then you should pay. You want to be a loyal customer and settle with a solid company then MVP and their umbrella's are happy to pick up the tab for your play. If you go to Vegas on a comp and don't play a lick at the casino that comped you do you think you will get a return invite? Same premise here.
MVP has my vote for being smart enough to recognize a way that money was seeping slowly out of their accounts and finding a fix for it.
MC
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tcbets.com:
It's been a while since we have spoken about "bootsandwiper". She used to post here as "benstern". Here is the whole story about "Debra". She was paid $1700 that she then proceded to charge us back on. (Thanks we appreciated that ). She then redeposited this past weekend. She was not entitled to a bonus because she was not sending us new funds, but funds that we had sent her previuosly. We did pick up her fees. This morning she requested a payout. I informed her that we would process her payout and would be charging her for fees and for her chargeback. She then claimed that she did not charge back her account. Well I have the printouts from the company that she charged us back on sitting on my desk. She also sent in documentation with different names and addresses. I spoke to some other offshore operators that said that they wouldn't pay her at all since she won $1700 from a charged back transaction. We are going to pay her every dollar that she is owed. I have her western union info in my hands and as soon as I am done responding here I am going to call her with the info.If any other offshore operators would like to call for more details please feel free to. By the way if you are such a believer of Sting's articles,then you should see that
I won $250,000 at the BOS party so I don't think that we are going anywhere.
I hope that this settles the issue.
Debra, have fun scamming other sportsbooks.
I hope everyone else took advantage of our great bonus this last weekend.
Thank You
David
http://www.tcbets.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why do I never get these 20% bonus offers sent to me ? David, if you check my account you will see I have at least $5000 in deposits and I have never ever once ever had a withdrawal. I didnt get any info about the 20% bonus last weekend, so can I have a 20% bonus today ?
It's been a while since we have spoken about "bootsandwiper". She used to post here as "benstern". Here is the whole story about "Debra". She was paid $1700 that she then proceded to charge us back on. (Thanks we appreciated that ). She then redeposited this past weekend. She was not entitled to a bonus because she was not sending us new funds, but funds that we had sent her previuosly. We did pick up her fees. This morning she requested a payout. I informed her that we would process her payout and would be charging her for fees and for her chargeback. She then claimed that she did not charge back her account. Well I have the printouts from the company that she charged us back on sitting on my desk. She also sent in documentation with different names and addresses. I spoke to some other offshore operators that said that they wouldn't pay her at all since she won $1700 from a charged back transaction. We are going to pay her every dollar that she is owed. I have her western union info in my hands and as soon as I am done responding here I am going to call her with the info.If any other offshore operators would like to call for more details please feel free to. By the way if you are such a believer of Sting's articles,then you should see that
I won $250,000 at the BOS party so I don't think that we are going anywhere.
I hope that this settles the issue.
Debra, have fun scamming other sportsbooks.
I hope everyone else took advantage of our great bonus this last weekend.
Thank You
David
http://www.tcbets.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why do I never get these 20% bonus offers sent to me ? David, if you check my account you will see I have at least $5000 in deposits and I have never ever once ever had a withdrawal. I didnt get any info about the 20% bonus last weekend, so can I have a 20% bonus today ?
Danny May:
I tried to call you, but the phone number we have on file is not in service. You should receive an e mail from us shortly. If that mail is bounced back to us please call customer service.
Mike Cash:
Thank you for the kind words. We appreciate it.
Debra, benstern, bootandwipers et al:
Lets get this straight once and for all. We never said that you charged back a credit card, we said charged back. There are other funding methods that can be charged back as you are well aware. Secondly the amount of the chargeback was $300. The amount that you won from that chargeback was $1700. The General, and therx.com administration have received screen shots of your chargebacks as well as your customer info. Enjoy your sportsbook scamming career.
Thank You
David
www.tcbets.com
I tried to call you, but the phone number we have on file is not in service. You should receive an e mail from us shortly. If that mail is bounced back to us please call customer service.
Mike Cash:
Thank you for the kind words. We appreciate it.
Debra, benstern, bootandwipers et al:
Lets get this straight once and for all. We never said that you charged back a credit card, we said charged back. There are other funding methods that can be charged back as you are well aware. Secondly the amount of the chargeback was $300. The amount that you won from that chargeback was $1700. The General, and therx.com administration have received screen shots of your chargebacks as well as your customer info. Enjoy your sportsbook scamming career.
Thank You
David
www.tcbets.com
Danny,
I had no idea that prepaid was so cheap. I thought they charged 3% on all transactions.
Michael Cash,
your response makes no sense. If i go to vegas on a comp, the hotel cares more about how much I wager than how long I stay. Makes no sense to me, thast if I choose not to take a bonus, roll my money 5x in a week, and want to makea withdrawal that I should get hit with all kinds of deposit fees. While someonelse can deposit just as much as I di, roll there money just 2 or 3x, take a bonus, and simply because they wait 30 days they get to keep all there money..
If I take a bonus, I can understand this 30 day rule as a means of keeping the whores away. But to make even the people who don't take a boonus wait the same 30 days is ridiculous. And the mvpsportsbook family is the only one I know who does this.
And on top of that if you win, and you want your money sent neteller, you only get 1 free netteller withdrawal a month. After that they charge a whopping 4%. So on a $2500 withdrawal, tcbets and faimly get charged $30 by neteller, and then turn around and charge $100 to the player.
So again, tcbets is fine for small players or people who lose. But if you are someone who may win a lot, its a terrible place to play. The feees are simply to great
I had no idea that prepaid was so cheap. I thought they charged 3% on all transactions.
Michael Cash,
your response makes no sense. If i go to vegas on a comp, the hotel cares more about how much I wager than how long I stay. Makes no sense to me, thast if I choose not to take a bonus, roll my money 5x in a week, and want to makea withdrawal that I should get hit with all kinds of deposit fees. While someonelse can deposit just as much as I di, roll there money just 2 or 3x, take a bonus, and simply because they wait 30 days they get to keep all there money..
If I take a bonus, I can understand this 30 day rule as a means of keeping the whores away. But to make even the people who don't take a boonus wait the same 30 days is ridiculous. And the mvpsportsbook family is the only one I know who does this.
And on top of that if you win, and you want your money sent neteller, you only get 1 free netteller withdrawal a month. After that they charge a whopping 4%. So on a $2500 withdrawal, tcbets and faimly get charged $30 by neteller, and then turn around and charge $100 to the player.
So again, tcbets is fine for small players or people who lose. But if you are someone who may win a lot, its a terrible place to play. The feees are simply to great
Marc,
I am not talking about the duration at all, you are missing my point. Which is that Neteller, W.U., etc are all seperate companies that charge for their services. Most sports books generously pick up these fee's as a cost of doing business. When that all began they didn't anticipate (I'm sure) on all the bonuses whoring, etc. that was to come. Now though, people are accustomed to having this perk not really understanding that someone has to pay that fee if the player doesn't. Otherwise, your money never gets offshore in the first place. If these books didn't pick up the tab anymore your $500 would all of a sudden be $460 or $430 or maybe even less some places.
MVP (SMARTLY) caught on to this and figured that if you have to play for 30 days lets say, that within that time they could (probably or close to) recoup their expense of those fees if you turn out to be just a whore or a shopper.
I think you are all seeming to forget that a lot of the stuff you get is a courtesy from these places. Joe Local on the corner wants to collect on tuesday and pay on wednesday, Period! He doesn't give you gas money to get you to the corner or pay your ATM fee to get the money out. He doesn't send you a t-shirt either or give you lower juice options.
Are you starting to get the picture? Bitch all you want about some of their policies but I think some of you are spoiled. Go back to your street guy and see if you notice the difference!
2004 is a good time to be a player, not a complainer.
MC
I am not talking about the duration at all, you are missing my point. Which is that Neteller, W.U., etc are all seperate companies that charge for their services. Most sports books generously pick up these fee's as a cost of doing business. When that all began they didn't anticipate (I'm sure) on all the bonuses whoring, etc. that was to come. Now though, people are accustomed to having this perk not really understanding that someone has to pay that fee if the player doesn't. Otherwise, your money never gets offshore in the first place. If these books didn't pick up the tab anymore your $500 would all of a sudden be $460 or $430 or maybe even less some places.
MVP (SMARTLY) caught on to this and figured that if you have to play for 30 days lets say, that within that time they could (probably or close to) recoup their expense of those fees if you turn out to be just a whore or a shopper.
I think you are all seeming to forget that a lot of the stuff you get is a courtesy from these places. Joe Local on the corner wants to collect on tuesday and pay on wednesday, Period! He doesn't give you gas money to get you to the corner or pay your ATM fee to get the money out. He doesn't send you a t-shirt either or give you lower juice options.
Are you starting to get the picture? Bitch all you want about some of their policies but I think some of you are spoiled. Go back to your street guy and see if you notice the difference!
2004 is a good time to be a player, not a complainer.
MC
Marc,
Maybe you don't understand our 30 day rule. This rule only applies to bonuses and fees. Your money is available whenever you want it. If you make a deposit today and would like your money tomorrow thats fine with us.
Thank You
David
www.tcbets.com
Maybe you don't understand our 30 day rule. This rule only applies to bonuses and fees. Your money is available whenever you want it. If you make a deposit today and would like your money tomorrow thats fine with us.
Thank You
David
www.tcbets.com
Well, we know that bootsandswiper has a prepaid atm card:
http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=400102101
http://therxforum.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=100090022&f=988094022&m=400102101
Micheal Cash and TCBets,
I understand your rule perfectly. ANd it doesn't make sense. Forget the bonus. Why are you willing to pick up the fees for someone who only rolls their money 2x or 3x in a 30 day period, but won't pick up the fees for someone who rolls thier money 5x in the course of a week. You can't use the bonus whoring excuse, because I've stated repeatedly, I'm not talking about bonuses. It simply doens't make sense SOmeone deposits a couple of dimes. WIns big in the first week, and wants to withdraw some of his winnings. The mvpsportsbook family is the only group of boks I know of who will hit that player with deposits fees.
I understand your rule perfectly. ANd it doesn't make sense. Forget the bonus. Why are you willing to pick up the fees for someone who only rolls their money 2x or 3x in a 30 day period, but won't pick up the fees for someone who rolls thier money 5x in the course of a week. You can't use the bonus whoring excuse, because I've stated repeatedly, I'm not talking about bonuses. It simply doens't make sense SOmeone deposits a couple of dimes. WIns big in the first week, and wants to withdraw some of his winnings. The mvpsportsbook family is the only group of boks I know of who will hit that player with deposits fees.
mvpsportsbook has been up and down, (mostly down) the last few days. Any idea on what's going on? DOS attacks?
Also, I have to aggree the 4% fee on withdraws over $2500 is "pretty high", and you only get one free withdraw a month for $2500. It's almost painful to win big here, because it so expensive to get funds out.
Also, I have to aggree the 4% fee on withdraws over $2500 is "pretty high", and you only get one free withdraw a month for $2500. It's almost painful to win big here, because it so expensive to get funds out.
Danny,
This is from tcbets website.
Prepaid ATM
You may request your withdrawal be sent to your Prepaid ATM account any day of the week. Once approved the withdrawn funds will be sent directly to your Prepaid ATM account.
Money Out: We cover transaction fees once every thirty days. Otherwise, client covers fees (approximately 4% with a minimum fee of $2 US). Withdrawal requests via Prepaid ATM are limited to one withdrawal per day, at a maximum of $2,500 US. Fees incurred for multiple withdrawals within one thirty day period are the sole responsibility of the client.
Money In: We cover transaction fees from Prepaid ATM to Triple Crown Race and Sportsbook on deposits of $200 US or more into your wagering account. Otherwise, client covers fees (approximately 4% with a minimum fee of $2 US)
Restrictions: Money received via Prepaid ATM must be paid out via Prepaid ATM prior to money being withdrawn via any other means.
So as you can see, even if you use prepaid, who you said only charges merchants a flat $10, tcbets (and the rest of the mvpsportsbooks) will hit you with a whopping 4% fee, if you try to withdraw before 30 days, or ask for more than 1 withdrawal in a 30 day period.
This is from tcbets website.
Prepaid ATM
You may request your withdrawal be sent to your Prepaid ATM account any day of the week. Once approved the withdrawn funds will be sent directly to your Prepaid ATM account.
Money Out: We cover transaction fees once every thirty days. Otherwise, client covers fees (approximately 4% with a minimum fee of $2 US). Withdrawal requests via Prepaid ATM are limited to one withdrawal per day, at a maximum of $2,500 US. Fees incurred for multiple withdrawals within one thirty day period are the sole responsibility of the client.
Money In: We cover transaction fees from Prepaid ATM to Triple Crown Race and Sportsbook on deposits of $200 US or more into your wagering account. Otherwise, client covers fees (approximately 4% with a minimum fee of $2 US)
Restrictions: Money received via Prepaid ATM must be paid out via Prepaid ATM prior to money being withdrawn via any other means.
So as you can see, even if you use prepaid, who you said only charges merchants a flat $10, tcbets (and the rest of the mvpsportsbooks) will hit you with a whopping 4% fee, if you try to withdraw before 30 days, or ask for more than 1 withdrawal in a 30 day period.
Ok let me try to be as clear as possible so you can't read between the lines and come to your own conclusions about what I am "really" saying. Here we go...
Covering your fees is a priviledge, not a right. Who gets charged the transfer fees initially? You do. You get that money returned to you by most sports books AS A COURTESY! Period.
Regardless of any fact whatsoever you want to attribute it to you are not "owed" these fees by any book. They take care of them as a good faith gesture to get your business.
I don't know how much clearer I can make it. My position isn't based on the reasoning behind why MVP charges, I'm not them. I was just giving some examples. But the bottomline is that the fee's aren't the responsibility of the books, they are the responsibility of the player. Getting them back is nice but certainly nothing you are entitled to just because you think so.
If they want me to wait 30 days I am gonna do it becuase it's better then paying the fees. So you don't like it, so what? Would you rather pay those fees every time you deposit and withdraw? I wouldn't.
Like I said, go to your local guy and ask him what kind of perks he will give you. I doubt he will give you $10 off your balance for gas money.
MC
Covering your fees is a priviledge, not a right. Who gets charged the transfer fees initially? You do. You get that money returned to you by most sports books AS A COURTESY! Period.
Regardless of any fact whatsoever you want to attribute it to you are not "owed" these fees by any book. They take care of them as a good faith gesture to get your business.
I don't know how much clearer I can make it. My position isn't based on the reasoning behind why MVP charges, I'm not them. I was just giving some examples. But the bottomline is that the fee's aren't the responsibility of the books, they are the responsibility of the player. Getting them back is nice but certainly nothing you are entitled to just because you think so.
If they want me to wait 30 days I am gonna do it becuase it's better then paying the fees. So you don't like it, so what? Would you rather pay those fees every time you deposit and withdraw? I wouldn't.
Like I said, go to your local guy and ask him what kind of perks he will give you. I doubt he will give you $10 off your balance for gas money.
MC
