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Honey Badger Don't Give A Shit
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G, I'm sorry to hear of your loss.

It's sad, but quite likely that the overdose was a direct result of Prohibition.

Prohibition laws result in distribution of substances that are unlabeled and therefore properly measuring dosage is difficult if not impossible.

This is relevant since very few drugs, properly measured, will produce a lethal overdose.

Anytime someone kills themself without cause, it's a tragedy for those closest to them. Sending healing vibes your way.
 

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Wow...amazed at some of the replies...

Call me gullable but I didn't think that many people would have that long a laundry list.
 

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JMan, that's likely due to the government sponsored lies which infer that using illicit drugs is 'abnormal'.

In fact, well over 100 million Americans have used an illicit drug at least once in their lifetime. Over 35 million used an illicit drug in the past year.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/druguse.htm

As for the unfortunate death of General's friend, we can see that twice as many Americans died last year from prescription drug use than from all illicit drugs combined.

Alcohol caused about SEVEN times the number of deaths as illicit drugs. And tobacco of course, is the king of death, outdoing illicit drugs by over 25 to 1.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm
 

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Caffeine: massive dependency. A lot in the morning, and at lunch, with carbonated boosters at least every 4 hours thereafter.

Beer: yes. Something about carbonation, +alcohol/caffeine is just too good.
 

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But wouldn`t you say these illicit drugs create alot of problems that aren`t tabulated by direct statistics?
 

Honey Badger Don't Give A Shit
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JMAN, yes, illicit drugs can contribute to a host of problems besides just death.

In fact, I'd say most ALL drugs can create problems depending on Who, When, Why, How Much is using.

Any substance that humans routinely ingest can create problems.

We have created and will continue to create productive responses to all of these problems.

How we deal with the drugs alcohol and nicotine are two examples.

THE PRIMARY problems related to drugs in America today is that a short list have been made totally illegal for any use whatsoever.

This system of Prohibition, just like the system of alcohol Prohibition for 12 years early in the last century, creates a list of even more severe problems.

If our social policy on drugs were to actually be based on level of risk/danger for using certain drugs, then it can be shown that alcohol and nicotine would be the first to be made illegal.

However, our policies are instead based on a rather arbitrary selection of certain drugs that are in significant demand.

IF WE have drugs that are in demand, we can choose to set up a system of regulation and control, or we can cede all control to criminal gangs and dealers. The current system of Prohibition puts all control of certain drugs in the hands of criminals and cartels.

This is why it is urgent that we end Prohibition and replace it with a system of regulation. A reasonable model at this time would be the model we use to regulate and control alcohol, nicotine and pharmacueticals.

The differences between legal drug dealers and illegal drug dealers are numerous. And in all factors, the illegal drug market is the one that contributes the most danger and damage to society.
 

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Beer/Yes
Pot/ not since i was a teenager
Cocaine/ not in about 8 years
Acid/ twice, a long time ago.
Crack/ Never
Heroin/ Never
Ecstacy/ Never
Crystal Meth/ Never
 

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Beer/Yes very often
Pot/ yes the last time was a very long time ago
Cocaine/ Never
Acid/ Never
Crack/ Never
Heroin/ Never
Ecstacy/ Never
Crystal Meth/ Never
 

I say vee cut off your Chonson !!!!
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Beer/ In Moderation My drink of choice
Pot/ Probably 3-5 times a day
Cocaine/ once a week
Crack/ Never
Heroin/ Never
Ecstacy/ 10-15 times
Crystal Meth/ Never
Acid - Over a 100hits dropped before age 21 , haven't done it since though

RP
 

Honey Badger Don't Give A Shit
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Actually, about a half dozen times a day, I toke.

Mind you, it's usually no more than 3-4 tokes and it's a busy day when I actually complete two cigarettes a day.

Good news, a friend in California has directed me to where I can purchase a special vaporizer that a many medical patients use for their marijuana use.

It allows the pot to heat sufficiently to release the vapors and active ingredients, without actually combusting and creating smoke which contains carcinogens.
 

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Beer ---- YES SOuth La., go figure
Pot --- YES Handful of times when in College
Cocaine --- NEVER
Acid --- NEVER
Crack --- NEVER, No way
Herion --- NEVER
"X" --- NEVER
Meth --- NEVER

Too high strung as it is do deal with any of the other B.S. Pot was experimental for about six months or so in college.
Bartended while in COllege so my VICE, besides the Books of course, was the Late night Booze fests. From 2:00am (Bar Closing time in B.R.) until God knows when.
 

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I don't want to start a separate thread, but I want to post this story (drugs) that I found doing a search for something else at The Pittsburg Post-Gazette.

Federal sting often put more drugs on the streets.

Turning the tables

Rodney Matthews was the centerpiece in the government sting called "Operation Shanghai," an example of just how little control the U.S. sometimes has in its drug interdiction efforts.

Matthews agreed to smuggle drugs with the government’s blessing in 1984 to avoid a three-year prison term for smuggling marijuana.

It wasn’t a bad trade. Government agents said he could keep anything he earned from the smuggling operations, and he earned millions.

The government sting had two objectives, Matthews said in several letters responding to questions the Post-Gazette posed:

Snare a South Texan named Vic Stadter, an outspoken government critic who made his opinions known through his newspaper. Federal agents believed he was a longtime drug smuggler. Stadter denied the charge and accused the government of harassment.

Bust Pablo Escobar, the notorious leader of the once-feared Medellin Cartel in Colombia, which the government said was responsible for 80 percent of the cocaine that came into this country during the 1980s.

Matthews said he got nowhere with Stadter, managing only to take one of his secretaries on a few dates.

His pursuit of Escobar was more complicated and ultimately unsuccessful. Escobar died of multiple gunshot wounds after a shootout with Colombian police in December 1993, before U.S. agents ever laid a hand on him.

During the years in between, Matthews smuggled more than 50 loads of cocaine for the U.S. Customs Service. At the direction of federal agents, he delivered his loads to illegal drug syndicates in the United States, which then distributed them across the nation. Matthews said he invested most of his profits in property and aircraft and made sure the operation never cost the government a cent.

He said the government wasn’t interested in pursuing the people who bought his drugs. By not busting them, agents hoped to enhance Matthews’ reputation with Escobar and Stadter, creating an image of a super trafficker who could avoid the government’s web.

That he never got close to Escobar wasn’t for lack of imaginative schemes.

At one point, Matthews tried to sell the cartel leader the coastal schedules of U.S. AWACS surveillance planes, used to detect smugglers in boats and planes, for $6 million. It was all a scam, he said. He was hoping the ploy would get him closer to the Colombian.

He said his encounter with scores of federal agents in 1989 at the airport near Houston was a wakeup call. His contacts for the smuggling sting were two Customs Service agents and two Texas Department of Public Safety narcotics agents, and he no longer believed they had enough support for the operation to protect him.

"It was glaringly apparent that the people who had given me authorization had over-reached their authority, so from that point on I made sure that no cocaine hit the street," he said.

Soon, he was accepting only contract assignments from federal law enforcement agencies, for a fee of $50,000 a flight. He brought in the drugs and let the federal agents take it from there.

These flights often included overnight stops at U.S. military bases in the Carib-bean, including Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba, "where I would fly in loaded with Colombian cocaine, using prearranged code names like ‘Dark Cloud’ and ‘Hot Rod’ for tower clearance."

The final irony: The government still owes him $180,000 for those flights, which agents corroborated during his trial.

Matthews’ last operation was in 1992 in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. An old friend set him up to be busted.

Jimmy Norjay Ellard was an ex-police officer from Texas, a pilot and a longtime associate of Escobar, and he had served as liaison for Matthews with the cartel leader.

Ellard’s resume was bloody. He had instructed Escobar in how to attach a bomb to an Avianca Airlines plane, which the drug leader did in the early 1980s to eliminate two informers. More than 100 innocent people died in the mid-air blast.

Federal agents busted Ellard in 1985 for cocaine smuggling, and he was sentenced to life in prison. He had been in jail for four years when he cut a deal with an assistant U.S. attorney in Fort Lauderdale, based on his promise to deliver Mat-thews.

From prison, he arranged an illegal drug shipment that Matthews would pick up.

Federal agents had falsely told Ellard that Matthews not only worked for the government but had been responsible for setting Ellard up in his 1985 arrest, Matthews said.

Federal prosecutors and agents in South Florida told Matthews they didn’t believe his story about working for the federal government, despite the drug agents’ corroboration. During pre-trial meetings, when Matthews’ lawyer named the agents he was working with, prosecutors suggested they had conspired in his crime.

So prosecutors offered Matthews a deal: Implicate the agents in some of his crimes, and he’d be recommended for a reduced sentence.

Matthews refused; they were honest officers, he said.

Matthews was convicted of drug conspiracy and sentenced to three life terms in prison, based on the amount of drugs he’d smuggled. Ellard, because of his help in nailing Matthews, got only five years, but his luck didn’t last. In September, he and his son were arrested in Fort Lauderdale and charged with conspiring to import marijuana. He is back in jail.

The agents were charged with conspiracy based on facts that came out of Mat-thews case. Both were acquitted.

Matthews thought he would find some relief, because he believed the government would surely come to its senses — the government’s agents, after all, had corroborated his story and been found innocent of trumped up perjury charges. He sent a package of information to 140 Members of Congress.

He got five responses, most of them "offering good wishes," he said. Last summer, he did an extensive interview with the ABC show "Prime Time Live" in which he explained his story.

Shortly before that story aired, he was put into an isolation cell at Leavenworth, where he is only allowed out for a short walk each day.

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This would make a hellava movie imo.


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Very interesting story Wil.....and it definitely would make a hell of a movie.
 

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TT - I was almost speechless after I read it. The guy gets triple life in Leavenworth. wtf.


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Yeah, I dropped a couple WTF's & had to reread the whole thing(twice actually).

The more I think about it, someone HAS to make a movie out of this story. It's just too bizarre not to.
 

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It's all a pretty sad game, with the government(s) coming out way ahead of the individual citizens....

On a CHEERIER NOTE, I'll use this Topic to promote an organization run by friends of mine in NoCal....If you are one who currently uses pot and can talk about it, check out http://www.cannabisconsumers.org/gallery.php?gal_id=52

Actually there you will see ME...smile. But by using the menu on the left, you can Take Our Survey and if possible, you can submit your own photo and short bio.

Population numbers suggest that the U.S. has 20-30 million adults who routinely use marijuana. The number is likely higher (heh), due to the many social and legal sanctions that have been erected during the past 20 years.

The Survey is anonymous, but the photo/bio obviously is not. So don't 'come out of the closet' fully if you might be in danger of any of the following:

--Losing employment (though I'd offer a friendly suggestion that if your employer would fire you over your use of marijuana off the job, you should look for a smarter employer).

--Possible legal hassle: If you're on probation or parole. If you have kids and for any reason have had to deal with Child Protective Services. If you are in any kind of subsidized housing. If you receive ANY federal welfare benefits at all.

--Loss of education funds: Murderers, rapists, thieves and other violent criminals have no problem receiving student loans. But a marijuana conviction will bar you from student aid.

Even if you can't 'come out', you can take the survey if you're a regular pot user.

Comments and questions welcome as always....res0gisj@verizon.net
 

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